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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #50 on: November 09, 2022, 09:40:57 AM »
That was a bad, bad game.

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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #51 on: November 09, 2022, 10:33:01 AM »
And Coppin State played the previous evening. That may well be what saved Georgetown.

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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #52 on: November 09, 2022, 10:52:41 AM »
I mean, Providence having a weak non-con followed by a strong Big East season is pretty much a yearly tradition:

22 (NCAA 4 seed): struggled vs. #206 Fairfield, #243 New Hampshire, #87 Northwestern and lost by 18 to #72 Virginia
21 (No postseason): struggled vs. #70 Davidson, #140 TCU, lost by 21 to #50 Indiana, and no big wins
20 (Likely NCAAT or NIT bid): struggled vs. #139 Pepperdine, #192 Stony Brook, lost to #131 Northwestern, #141 Penn, #287 Long Beach State, #170 Charleston, #65 Rhode Island, #32 Florida (by 32) and no big wins
19 (NIT 4 seed): struggled vs. #267 Siena, #239 Holy Cross, #211 Fairleigh Dickinson, #142 Rhode Island, #127 Boston College, lost to #66 Wichita State, #6 Michigan (by 19), and #236 Umass
18 (NCAA 10 seed): Struggled vs #98 Washington, #83 Belmont, #145 Rider, #267 Brown, #223 Stony Brook, lost to #117 Minnesota (by 12), #52 Rhode Island, #207 UMass, and no big wins
17 (NCAA 11 seed): Struggled vs #101 Memphis, #158 Umass, lost to #73 Ohio State and #173 Boston College
16 (NCAA 9 seed): Struggled vs #125 Illinois, #202 NJIT, #72 Evansville, #82 Rhode Island, #346 Brant, and #223 Rider
15 (NCAA 6 seed): Struggled vs #131 Albany, #77 Yale, lost to #110 Boston College, and #268 Brown
14 (NCAA 11 seed): Struggled vs #142 Boston College, #162 Brown, #109 Vanderbilt, #105 Lasalle, #271 Fairfield, #115 Rhode Island, #153 Rhode Island, and no big wins

I also don't believe that Providence will be as good as some have projected them to be, but I don't think struggling against #174 Rider in their opener is enough evidence to declare it so.

The thing about providence for me is, outside of Bryce Hopkins, they really don't have a starter who would sniff MU's starting lineup in a joint team. And personally i don't think any of them start would unless you bump a guard out and move OMAX to a three and play Hopkins at the 4. I think Bynum and Crosswell are solid pieces for a BE team, but they arn't the guys to carry a team to a top half of the conference finish. They needed a second guard. Maybe Devin Carter comes good for them, but he felt like a smaller Justin Minaya with some guard skills to me.

They had loads of turnover, from the worst (or 2nd worst 'Nova 19') team to win the BE this century. They'll have an average St Johns year IMO.

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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #53 on: November 09, 2022, 11:11:25 AM »
The thing about providence for me is, outside of Bryce Hopkins, they really don't have a starter who would sniff MU's starting lineup

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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2022, 11:15:37 AM »
I see the kool-aid was strong this morning!

Absolutely.

That or we should have a couple 20 point wins over Providence this year, so that's nice.
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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2022, 12:30:24 PM »
I see the kool-aid was strong this morning!

In all sincerity are you a big Croswell or Bynum fan?

Those guys might be better than Kam or Stevie overall all, but that fit doesn't work. Bynum is exclusively a point guard, Croswell is exclusively a 5 man.

I guess maybe Bynum. But i don't like him as much as Kolek, Posh, Nembhard, or Richmond.

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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2022, 12:45:11 PM »
In all sincerity are you a big Croswell or Bynum fan?

I would take Croswell in a second, I don't know much about many of their newcomers.  But also the idea that none of the other players being able to sniff Maquette's starting lineup is surely hyperbole.   Hell, most of their team will sniff Marquette's starters at least two times this year :)
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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #57 on: November 09, 2022, 12:58:56 PM »
Georgetown really only went 6 deep in a 45 minute game against a high calorie cupcake. 4 players went 42 minutes or more. Wahab fouled out in 15 minutes and Bristol Jr played 29 minutes off the bench (while also fouling out). 3 other players combined for 10 minutes, 0 points, 2 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 1 block, 1 turnover, 0 FGAs, 0 FTAs.

Feels like having only 6 games that you can trust to play more than 4 minutes in an OT game against Coppin State is not a recipe for success. But they did snap that 21 game losing streak!

That's crazy to me!   I caught the OT portion of the game and was shocked b/c they actually looked decent/better than I expected.   CSU must have just been exhausted by that point, because they made Georgetown look like a legit Big East team at that point.

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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #58 on: November 09, 2022, 01:29:19 PM »
I would take Croswell in a second, I don't know much about many of their newcomers.  But also the idea that none of the other players being able to sniff Maquette's starting lineup is surely hyperbole.   Hell, most of their team will sniff Marquette's starters at least two times this year :)

I would take Croswell. But I think he would just take about  35% of the center minutes. I don't think Croswell and Oso playing together really benefits a team. We'll probably split games in conference, because that should be the expectation against everyone except Georgetown. I'm sure one of their transfers will do well, it might just take until January.

Marquette was +30 against providence last year, and Providence lost more than MU did despite MU losing the best player in Lewis.

Durham, Horchler, Watson, Reeves, and Minaya are better than every player they gained this year with the lone exception of Hopkins. If i had to guess, i think Horchler, Durham and Minaya are probably better than Hopkins but who knows. Hopkins is an unknown quantity.

I just don't really rate that team.

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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #59 on: November 09, 2022, 03:01:56 PM »
Providence shot 43 free throws. Rider shot 10 free throws. Providence won by1 66-65. Providence got the whistle Marquette used to get in box scores in the Old Big East.

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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #60 on: November 09, 2022, 04:55:47 PM »
I mean, Providence having a weak non-con followed by a strong Big East season is pretty much a yearly tradition:

22 (NCAA 4 seed): struggled vs. #206 Fairfield, #243 New Hampshire, #87 Northwestern and lost by 18 to #72 Virginia
21 (No postseason): struggled vs. #70 Davidson, #140 TCU, lost by 21 to #50 Indiana, and no big wins
20 (Likely NCAAT or NIT bid): struggled vs. #139 Pepperdine, #192 Stony Brook, lost to #131 Northwestern, #141 Penn, #287 Long Beach State, #170 Charleston, #65 Rhode Island, #32 Florida (by 32) and no big wins
19 (NIT 4 seed): struggled vs. #267 Siena, #239 Holy Cross, #211 Fairleigh Dickinson, #142 Rhode Island, #127 Boston College, lost to #66 Wichita State, #6 Michigan (by 19), and #236 Umass
18 (NCAA 10 seed): Struggled vs #98 Washington, #83 Belmont, #145 Rider, #267 Brown, #223 Stony Brook, lost to #117 Minnesota (by 12), #52 Rhode Island, #207 UMass, and no big wins
17 (NCAA 11 seed): Struggled vs #101 Memphis, #158 Umass, lost to #73 Ohio State and #173 Boston College
16 (NCAA 9 seed): Struggled vs #125 Illinois, #202 NJIT, #72 Evansville, #82 Rhode Island, #346 Brant, and #223 Rider
15 (NCAA 6 seed): Struggled vs #131 Albany, #77 Yale, lost to #110 Boston College, and #268 Brown
14 (NCAA 11 seed): Struggled vs #142 Boston College, #162 Brown, #109 Vanderbilt, #105 Lasalle, #271 Fairfield, #115 Rhode Island, #153 Rhode Island, and no big wins

I also don't believe that Providence will be as good as some have projected them to be, but I don't think struggling against #174 Rider in their opener is enough evidence to declare it so.

How does the weak roster this year factor into those stats ?

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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #61 on: November 09, 2022, 05:06:23 PM »
How does the weak roster this year factor into those stats ?

This isn't the first year that some fans have declared that Providence's roster is weak and that an early non-conference struggle was a sign that they were going to be bad. Honestly, it's a yearly tradition at this point. Most years those fans are wrong.

I'm not even saying your assessment is wrong. I don't think Providence has a good roster this year either and think that they will be on the wrong side of the bubble. But Cooley has enough of a track record that I'm not going to label their season as doomed this early in the year.
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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #62 on: November 09, 2022, 07:27:19 PM »
How does the weak roster this year factor into those stats ?
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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #63 on: November 09, 2022, 09:08:49 PM »
The Hall is romping to a big win over Monmouth.

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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #64 on: November 09, 2022, 10:08:00 PM »
This isn't the first year that some fans have declared that Providence's roster is weak and that an early non-conference struggle was a sign that they were going to be bad. Honestly, it's a yearly tradition at this point. Most years those fans are wrong.

I'm not even saying your assessment is wrong. I don't think Providence has a good roster this year either and think that they will be on the wrong side of the bubble. But Cooley has enough of a track record that I'm not going to label their season as doomed this early in the year.

Not true.

Before last year. So from 2018-2021. Cooley under performed in 4 of the previous 4 season per Ken Pom. He dropped at least 10 spots each year and averaged a 25.5 drop in rankings.

Additionally Cooley under preformed in 3 of the previous 4 seasons relative to his big east preseason rankings. The only season he didn't underperform his big east preseason ranking, he tied it.

He is a great coach. Providence shouldn't be as good as they are. But he doesn't overperform every year.

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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #65 on: November 09, 2022, 10:46:55 PM »
Not true.

Before last year. So from 2018-2021. Cooley under performed in 4 of the previous 4 season per Ken Pom. He dropped at least 10 spots each year and averaged a 25.5 drop in rankings.

Additionally Cooley under preformed in 3 of the previous 4 seasons relative to his big east preseason rankings. The only season he didn't underperform his big east preseason ranking, he tied it.

He is a great coach. Providence shouldn't be as good as they are. But he doesn't overperform every year.

I never said he overperformed per KenPom. I said fans (I meant specifically our fans) say that Providence has a weak roster and then say that their non-conference struggles prove it, and then they go on a run in BE conference play and make the NCAAT.
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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #66 on: November 10, 2022, 09:44:13 AM »
Big East should be able to pick up 2 more wins tonight
CMU at MU
North Dakota at Creighton
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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #67 on: November 10, 2022, 10:34:31 AM »
Big East should be able to pick up 2 more wins tonight
CMU at MU
North Dakota at Creighton

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« Reply #68 on: November 10, 2022, 01:21:18 PM »
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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #69 on: November 10, 2022, 02:23:59 PM »
Cooley needs to wear a tuque.

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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #70 on: November 10, 2022, 09:13:54 PM »
Creighton comfortably ahead of North Dakota

Big East performing well
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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #71 on: November 10, 2022, 09:46:07 PM »
If I saw correctly, Notre Dame only beat Radford by 3 late, and Bellarmine beat Louisville. Never thought I'd live long enough to see that.

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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #72 on: November 10, 2022, 11:06:58 PM »
Radford all but had it won. Notre Dame got away with a foul, then made a layup with 9 seconds left to take the lead and escape.
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« Reply #73 on: November 11, 2022, 11:13:03 AM »
Radford all but had it won. Notre Dame got away with a foul, then made a layup with 9 seconds left to take the lead and escape.
If Radford continues to play well, MU might be able to get some minor benefit from the win .
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Re: Big East Results 22-23
« Reply #74 on: November 11, 2022, 08:03:47 PM »
Nova in a dog fight against Temple.

Dixon with a mans rebound and kick out to Longino for the go ahead 3.

64-62 just under a minute left
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

 

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