Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets

[Mu8891]

I think DePaul is way too high at 277 ...

[Herman Cain]

Big East Poll Rankings January 1, 2024
AP
4. U Conn
7. MU
23. Providence
Others Receiving Votes
Creighton Nova

Coaches
Did not release today. Will post when they release

Big East Poll Rankings January 1, 2024
AP
4. U Conn
7. MU
23. Providence
Others Receiving Votes
Creighton, Nova

Coaches
4. U Conn
7. MU
23. Providence
Others Receiving Votes
Creighton, Nova

[FairWeatherEagle]

So how does MU get back to the top 4? I have a feeling that "just keep winning" won't do it until UConn. And our first one with them is away.

I know winning the BE regular season and BET will do it right? Top 4?  Or do we need 3-4 teams to lose 3-4 games?

[Its DJOver]

So how does MU get back to the top 4? I have a feeling that "just keep winning" won't do it until UConn. And our first one with them is away.

I know winning the BE regular season and BET will do it right? Top 4?  Or do we need 3-4 teams to lose 3-4 games?

Top four in NET or top four in AP/Coaches poll?

Top four in NET, win by more than you're expected to.  The wider the margin the better.  Lose by less than you're expected to (if all all hopefully).  The narrower the margin the better.

Top four in AP/Coaches poll, don't lose + teams in front of you lose.

[GoldenEagles03]

Top four in NET or top four in AP/Coaches poll?

Top four in NET, win by more than you're expected to.  The wider the margin the better.  Lose by less than you're expected to (if all all hopefully).  The narrower the margin the better.

Top four in AP/Coaches poll, don't lose + teams in front of you lose.

Top 4 as in a 1 seed?

I would think Marquette has a real shot at that if they win the Big East again. Better wins in the NonCon this year compared to last and they snatched that 2 seed pretty convincingly last year.

[Its DJOver]

Top 4 as in a 1 seed?

I would think Marquette has a real shot at that if they win the Big East again. Better wins in the NonCon this year compared to last and they snatched that 2 seed pretty convincingly last year.

Maybe, maybe not.  It depends on how many wins it takes to win the Beast as well as how other top teams do.  A Beast champion is not guaranteed a 1 seed.

I'll also say it now since I'm sure it will be coming once bracketology starts to ramp up, a top 4 ranking in an AP/Coaches poll does not guarantee a 1 seed. A top 4 NET ranking does not guarantee a 1 seed.

[FairWeatherEagle]

Top four in NET or top four in AP/Coaches poll?

Top four in NET, win by more than you're expected to.  The wider the margin the better.  Lose by less than you're expected to (if all all hopefully).  The narrower the margin the better.

Top four in AP/Coaches poll, don't lose + teams in front of you lose.

Sure that's basically how you move up and down. But my question is of threshold. Ultimately what gets us in that top 4 (of whatever) that gets us squarely in the conversation of a 1 seed.

Last year the 1s had 3,5,5,7 losses with Kansas being that 7. The 2s had 5,6,6,8 losses. So obviously no magic number. But you can get an idea that you generally need to be in that <6 loss group to be comfortable with a 1 seed.  So what gets us there...lose 2 more regular season...maybe 1 more in BET? is that too much "losing". What if UConn wins the BE? 17-3 and we're 16-4?

Just speculation. 1 seeds are such a high bar. And personally I don't mind a 2 like last year. BE and BET champs defines a successful season, not a NAT, but being a fan is hoping for it all.

[Its DJOver]

Sure that's basically how you move up and down. But my question is of threshold. Ultimately what gets us in that top 4 (of whatever) that gets us squarely in the conversation of a 1 seed.

Last year the 1s had 3,5,5,7 losses with Kansas being that 7. The 2s had 5,6,6,8 losses. So obviously no magic number. But you can get an idea that you generally need to be in that <6 loss group to be comfortable with a 1 seed.  So what gets us there...lose 2 more regular season...maybe 1 more in BET? is that too much "losing". What if UConn wins the BE? 17-3 and we're 16-4?

Just speculation. 1 seeds are such a high bar. And personally I don't mind a 2 like last year. BE and BET champs defines a successful season, not a NAT, but being a fan is hoping for it all.

You seem so close to being able to grasp it.  It depends on what other top teams do.  If Purdue runs the table, Kansas runs the table, and Tenn runs the table, our margin of error is extremely small. All of that happening is extremely unlikely IMO. Win by more than we're expected to, avoid non Q1 losses and things will end up just fine.

[MU82]

So how does MU get back to the top 4? I have a feeling that "just keep winning" won't do it until UConn. And our first one with them is away.

UConn already lost to Seton Hall by 15 points, and quite possibly they'll lose several other Big East games, especially while Clingan is sidelined. They lose even once and we keep winning, we'll move ahead of them (or perhaps more correctly, they'll fall behind us) the week they lose.

Of course, we could lose a time or 3 as well. We gotta go to Seton Hall in just a few days.

[1SE]

Sure that's basically how you move up and down. But my question is of threshold. Ultimately what gets us in that top 4 (of whatever) that gets us squarely in the conversation of a 1 seed.

Last year the 1s had 3,5,5,7 losses with Kansas being that 7. The 2s had 5,6,6,8 losses. So obviously no magic number. But you can get an idea that you generally need to be in that <6 loss group to be comfortable with a 1 seed.  So what gets us there...lose 2 more regular season...maybe 1 more in BET? is that too much "losing". What if UConn wins the BE? 17-3 and we're 16-4?

Just speculation. 1 seeds are such a high bar. And personally I don't mind a 2 like last year. BE and BET champs defines a successful season, not a NAT, but being a fan is hoping for it all.

Teal?

[FairWeatherEagle]

Teal?

I'm going to show my scoop ignorance here 
Words in Teal have a special meaning?
So what is that? Forgive me please....

[FairWeatherEagle]

You seem so close to being able to grasp it.  It depends on what other top teams do.  If Purdue runs the table, Kansas runs the table, and Tenn runs the table, our margin of error is extremely small. All of that happening is extremely unlikely IMO. Win by more than we're expected to, avoid non Q1 losses and things will end up just fine.

You're grasping my lack of grasping and making some good points. Thanks 

[Uncle Rico]

I'm going to show my scoop ignorance here 
Words in Teal have a special meaning?
So what is that? Forgive me please....

Teal means you're being sarcastic

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of January 2, 2024
New Old
9   9   UConn   
11   10   Marquette   
14   14   Creighton
27   26   Villanova   
46   51   St. John's
50   50   Providence   
61   61   Xavier   
62   59   Butler   
89   90   Seton Hall   
211   203   Georgetown   
283   277   DePaul
January 4, Team Sheets. MU is 11
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

[Galway Eagle]

Big East NET rankings as of games of January 2, 2004
New Old
9   9   UConn   
11   10   Marquette   
14   14   Creighton
27   26   Villanova   
46   51   St. John's
50   50   Providence   
61   61   Xavier   
62   59   Butler   
89   90   Seton Hall   
211   203   Georgetown   
283   277   DePaul
January 4, Team Sheets. MU is 11
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

2004's going to be a rough year for our NET soon. Surprised we're that high with ND being the only big win.

How are we doing in 2024?

[Herman Cain]

2004's going to be a rough year for our NET soon. Surprised we're that high with ND being the only big win.

How are we doing in 2024?

Correction Noted.

[We R Final Four]

Thanks for posting these each day Herm......I check it everyday, and wouldn't otherwise.

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of January 3, 2024
New Old
9   9   UConn   
10   11   Marquette   
13   14   Creighton   
30   27   Villanova   
46   46   St. John's
59   61   Xavier   
62   50   Providence   
63   62   Butler   
77   89   Seton Hall   
210   211   Georgetown   
282   283   DePaul
January 4 Team Sheets . MU is 10
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

[FairWeatherEagle]

Big East NET rankings as of games of January 3, 2004
New Old
9   9   UConn   
10   11   Marquette   
13   14   Creighton   
30   27   Villanova   
46   46   St. John's
59   61   Xavier   
62   50   Providence   
63   62   Butler   
77   89   Seton Hall   
210   211   Georgetown   
282   283   DePaul
January 4 Team Sheets . MU is 10
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

So I compared this to the Dec 19 Nets just before conference play and you can really see the effect of the BE beating each other up. The numbers are compressing for the top 8.  If the quality wins don't age well, and the collective beat down continues, might not see anyone under 10 by the end. Someone has to really stand out (MU?)

[brewcity77]

So I compared this to the Dec 19 Nets just before conference play and you can really see the effect of the BE beating each other up. The numbers are compressing for the top 8.  If the quality wins don't age well, and the collective beat down continues, might not see anyone under 10 by the end. Someone has to really stand out (MU?)

Sure, but look at last year. We were #25 at this time and finished #12. If we have a similar season to last year, we'll move up to at least the middle of the top-10. I strongly suspect BYU and ISU won't be there at the end of the year. The B10 and SEC currently both have two top-10 teams, I doubt they both do at the end of the year. My guess is Purdue, Houston or Kansas, and Arizona are all going to be in that top-10 mix. But the rest of it is pretty wide open.

As much as people don't believe it, NET doesn't have much impact on a team's seeding. The biggest question will be if we have a top-4 or top-8 resume, which any top-10 NET is good enough to warrant if the non-con ages well and the conference performance is adequate. To be assured a 1-seed, we need to win 16-18 games in conference play. At this point, I would say 16 is a 2 at worst, possible 1, 17 is right on the edge of the 1/2 line, and 18 is a certain 1-seed. Basically, we need to not slip up for the next 2 months.

[Its DJOver]

So I compared this to the Dec 19 Nets just before conference play and you can really see the effect of the BE beating each other up. The numbers are compressing for the top 8.  If the quality wins don't age well, and the collective beat down continues, might not see anyone under 10 by the end. Someone has to really stand out (MU?)

Everyone's kind of in the same boat.  I don't think the B12 will be able to keep 4 teams in the top 11, BYU and ISU certainly don't strike me as teams that will be able to sustain their metrics into conference play (BYU has 10 Q3+Q4 games that have all been blow outs, ISU has 10 Q3+Q4 games with only one having a margin in the single digits). Illinois could stumble out of the top too depending on how the Shannon situation progresses (also 9 Q3+Q4 games that were all at least double digit wins). Really all it takes is a few bad data points to significantly hurt your NET.  Win by more than you're supposed to, lose by less than you're supposed to and everything will end up just fine.

[PGsHeroes32]

Bama is also high in the NET with 5 losses and not a lot in terms of wins other than blow outs.

Solid chance they fall out too even if they are better than a typical 5 loss team.

SHU with a huge jump almost to a q1 road game. X went up even with their loss so they are still comfortably Q1 road even with 7 Ls(tho we dont play them til the end there)

Nova just hanging on to being a Q1 home for us

[barfolomew]

Two more spots and SHU on Saturday would have been our 7th Q1 game this season so far.
The only other team with 7 at this point is... Wisconsin.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Big East NET rankings as of games of January 3, 2004
New Old
9   9   UConn   
10   11   Marquette   
13   14   Creighton   
30   27   Villanova   
46   46   St. John's
59   61   Xavier   
62   50   Providence   
63   62   Butler   
77   89   Seton Hall   
210   211   Georgetown   
282   283   DePaul
January 4 Team Sheets . MU is 10
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

What's the worst any Big East team has finished in RPI or NET? DePaul approaching 300 is despicable

[wadesworld]

Hoping we knock SH down to comfortably Q2 Saturday.