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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #125 on: September 21, 2022, 04:43:35 PM »
Harping on the slightest inaccuracy and perceived slight? No thanks.
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #126 on: September 21, 2022, 04:44:38 PM »
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #127 on: September 21, 2022, 04:49:22 PM »
First, fans absolutely booed Wojo and chanted Fire Wojo, it just wasn't during the COVID season. We'll disagree about the media turning. And Wojo turning off twitter (due to the hate he was getting on twitter) doesn't mean the tweets didn't exist.

He was booed in intros, which is why they had the super speedy Howard into Wojo intro. The chants were tiny and a minority of a minority, and happened in very few games. It was never constant the way the article and seemingly Lindsay describe it.

I'm not saying he was beloved. He wasn't. But there are exaggerations and outright lies to make him sympathetic and it's not really debatable.
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #128 on: September 21, 2022, 04:52:39 PM »
He was booed in intros, which is why they had the super speedy Howard into Wojo intro. The chants were tiny and a minority of a minority, and happened in very few games. It was never constant the way the article and seemingly Lindsay describe it.

I'm not saying he was beloved. He wasn't. But there are exaggerations and outright lies to make him sympathetic and it's not really debatable.

Sure. Even the worst of the worst coaches will likely be booed by an overwhelming minority of attending fans. It seems the majority of that small group booing Wojo back in 2020 were likely just drunk students. Wasn't there also a fire Wojo sign in a dorm window?

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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #129 on: September 21, 2022, 04:54:46 PM »

Anyone who thinks that Wojo was worse than Bob-f*cking*-Dukiet needs to get their head out of their a$$ right now. It's not even close. Not remotely close.

Wojo had three (if you count 2020) NCAA appearances and an NIT appearance. He recruited well. There were good times with him as coach - big wins against top programs with the Fiserv rocking.

Dukiet had little to none of any of that.  He recruited Tony Smith so that was good.  One NIT appearance - ending a streak of something like 25 years in a row of appearing in the postseason. Just awful.

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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #131 on: September 21, 2022, 05:08:52 PM »
Pretty sure Tony Smith was a Majerus recruit who stayed with the program, so Dukiet doesn't even deserve that credit

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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #132 on: September 21, 2022, 05:10:33 PM »
But it didn't. Fans that weren't there certainly weren't booing. If fans were turning it was on an app Wojo deleted, so he had to actively search out that negativity. The media didn't turn. He used things that weren't actually happening to make Wojo sympathetic.

It would be like saying "Wojo was hurt when fans like brew booed at games" when I wasn't there and never booed Wojo or his teams.

The guy got his year wrong.  Or his wife got the year wrong.  Yes, it's bad he didn't fact check that.  But fans were absolutely booing Wojo.  There were threads on Scoop at the time it happened.  There were people making comments on Instagram and siting them on MUScoop.  Heck, YOU SAID IT YOURSELF IN THIS THREAD that they sped up the gap between Markus introduction and Wojo's introduction so that fans no longer had the opportunity to boo Wojo!

There were links to previous AE articles in today's AE article proving receipts on negative press from them before Wojo was fired.

These things did happen.  You're just as inaccurate about it as Seth Davis is in getting the year wrong that these things were happening in.
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #133 on: September 21, 2022, 05:10:59 PM »
Pretty sure Tony Smith was a Majerus recruit who stayed with the program, so Dukiet doesn't even deserve that credit

Probably. I’m trying to remember what Dukiet’s biggest win actually was. And I got nothing.
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #134 on: September 21, 2022, 05:14:06 PM »
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #135 on: September 21, 2022, 05:16:05 PM »
Probably. I’m trying to remember what Dukiet’s biggest win actually was. And I got nothing.

Beat an NCAA-bound DePaul team in his final season.
Beat Wisconsin in his first game at MU (a bad, Steve Yoder UW team, but Wisconsin nonetheless).
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #136 on: September 21, 2022, 05:40:39 PM »
My god people are taking this way too seriously.  Honestly, who cares?  How many non-die hard Marquette (or Duke, I guess) fans out there do we think actually read this article?  And those types of fans already know what this article is for (puff piece to help Wojo get his foot back in the door).  It's a giant shoulder shrug.  Doesn't paint Marquette in any light one way or the other.  If you're upset, you're just looking for reasons to be upset.

Sir, this is the off-season.

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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #137 on: September 21, 2022, 05:47:55 PM »
I’ll calm down when a prison sentence is handed to for Seth Davis.
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #138 on: September 21, 2022, 06:25:41 PM »

Anyone who thinks that Wojo was worse than Bob-f*cking*-Dukiet needs to get their head out of their a$$ right now. It's not even close. Not remotely close.

Wojo had three (if you count 2020) NCAA appearances and an NIT appearance. He recruited well. There were good times with him as coach - big wins against top programs with the Fiserv rocking.

Dukiet had little to none of any of that.  He recruited Tony Smith so that was good.  One NIT appearance - ending a streak of something like 25 years in a row of appearing in the postseason. Just awful.

Learn your history.
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Wojo might still be coach if not for Hausergate.  Maybe consistently in the upper half of the Big East.  But that is all speculation. 
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #139 on: September 21, 2022, 06:39:20 PM »
I'm not saying he was beloved. He wasn't. But there are exaggerations and outright lies to make him sympathetic and it's not really debatable.

Again, I'm not denying that Seth Davis stretched the truth in order to make Wojo seem sympathetic. I'm challenging the idea that the article is somehow anti-Marquette.
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #140 on: September 21, 2022, 07:15:35 PM »
Far too much time and attention devoted to a failed coach.

Total puff piece from another Dukie.

Anyone who doesn't think that it's a screed for another job should consider the quote: "I'm a better coach now than the day I was fired at Marquette."

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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #141 on: September 21, 2022, 07:17:53 PM »
I hear what you're saying, but the lack of any comment from anybody Wojo worked with at Marquette or any player Wojo coached at Marquette was glaring. Heck, even if he wanted to paint Wojo in a positive light (which he obviously did), don't you call Markus Howard, who became the school's all-time scorer thanks in great part to Wojo encouraging him to shoot just about every time he touched the ball? Or maybe Theo John? And the article begged for at least a no-comment from Scholl.

And though the savage AE reaction was way over the top, it cracked me up in a few spots because it highlighted a few things that I thought "huh" as I read them: The reference to Wojo as having been "doughy." ...The mention of Wojo reading 20 minutes a day, as if that's what, an accomplishment? ... The fact about the $9M buyout, because I thought I had read $7M repeatedly here on Scoop and elsewhere. ... The Carrawell quote asking Wojo if he wanted to win the practice or the game.

Anyhoo ... it all makes me feel glad that Wojo is gone.

Now it's Shaka's job to do what Wojo couldn't: Build a great basketball program for our alma mater.

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It's a Duke shill piece, written by a Dukie with quotes from K and K. My godness, he took the time to quote the Hot Yoga Mama but couldn't find the time to call Broeker?

That said, Jimmy Sexton needs some agent money from his client once the MU Cash Train runs out of coal.

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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #142 on: September 21, 2022, 07:24:41 PM »
Again, I'm not denying that Seth Davis stretched the truth in order to make Wojo seem sympathetic. I'm challenging the idea that the article is somehow anti-Marquette.

“Stretched the truth” = lies, or no?

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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #143 on: September 21, 2022, 07:59:17 PM »

Anyone who thinks that Wojo was worse than Bob-f*cking*-Dukiet needs to get their head out of their a$$ right now. It's not even close. Not remotely close.

Wojo had three (if you count 2020) NCAA appearances and an NIT appearance. He recruited well. There were good times with him as coach - big wins against top programs with the Fiserv rocking.

Dukiet had little to none of any of that.  He recruited Tony Smith so that was good.  One NIT appearance - ending a streak of something like 25 years in a row of appearing in the postseason. Just awful.

Learn your history.
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #144 on: September 21, 2022, 08:09:31 PM »
So is Wojo gonna be an assistant here or no?
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #145 on: September 21, 2022, 08:19:33 PM »
You guys are sooo fcking boring and you all suck....I have no electrical power and water and like who cares. We're going to keep on looking at the past, move forward I say. F this.
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #146 on: September 21, 2022, 08:38:06 PM »
You guys are sooo fcking boring and you all suck....I have no electrical power and water and like who cares. We're going to keep on looking at the past, move forward I say. F this.

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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #147 on: September 21, 2022, 08:44:11 PM »
¿Demasiado vino roja?

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As I said extremely bored. Lots of other people suffering and this thread is stupid!!! You doing better?
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #148 on: September 21, 2022, 08:48:18 PM »
You guys are sooo fcking boring and you all suck....I have no electrical power and water and like who cares. We're going to keep on looking at the past, move forward I say. F this.

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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #149 on: September 21, 2022, 08:54:37 PM »
As I said extremely bored. Lots of other people suffering and this thread is stupid!!! You doing better?

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