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Author Topic: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic  (Read 5541 times)

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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2022, 08:08:03 PM »
Libel against…who, exactly?

You’re overreacting.

Reading comprehension really isn't that hard.
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2022, 08:15:37 PM »
Libel against…who, exactly?

You’re overreacting.

whom, not who

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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2022, 08:27:39 PM »
Reading comprehension really isn't that hard.


It meets the dictionary definition of libel I guess. I personally don’t think this damages Marquette’s reputation much at all.

It is far from the legal standard of libel though.
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2022, 08:30:30 PM »
Reading comprehension really isn't that hard.

Aka I know I got worked up and made a dumb comment so I’ll just try to insult the person who pointed it out.

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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2022, 08:37:06 PM »
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2022, 08:45:59 PM »
True. Other peoples' typos are obviously their priority.
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2022, 09:04:04 PM »
In addition to the comments already mentioned by others, I find it interesting that the article doesn't include any real reflection on things learned from Wojo's experience relative to recruiting, team management, coaching, etc.  I kept waiting for the new-headcoach-Wojo to mature into the seasoned-headcoach-Wojo but a stubborn "my way is the best way and if we keep doing it it will evenutally work" pervaded within games, within seasons, and even across seasons.  He may have "tried too hard" but I hope he took more away from the 7 years that than if he's going to get back into the game.

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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2022, 10:07:46 PM »
Gave up alcohol.  Hmmm.
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2022, 05:15:43 AM »
Aka I know I got worked up and made a dumb comment so I’ll just try to insult the person who pointed it out.

The first part of the post defines the whom. Will it be a court case? Obviously not. Are there lies written in the article about Marquette's fans and Milwaukee's local media to discredit Wojo's critics? Obviously so.
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« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2022, 05:54:50 AM »
The first part of the post defines the whom. Will it be a court case? Obviously not. Are there lies written in the article about Marquette's fans and Milwaukee's local media to discredit Wojo's critics? Obviously so.


I know this is splitting hairs, but those lies weren’t meant to discredit his critics as much as they were to portray him as a sympathetic figure.

In other words, it wasn’t anti-Marquette as it was pro-Wojo.

Regardless it’s a trash article.
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2022, 06:29:12 AM »
Shaka aged 45, Buzz aged 50,  Wojo aged 46. Compare head coaching resumes of peers.

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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2022, 07:19:04 AM »
In addition to the comments already mentioned by others, I find it interesting that the article doesn't include any real reflection on things learned from Wojo's experience relative to recruiting, team management, coaching, etc.  I kept waiting for the new-headcoach-Wojo to mature into the seasoned-headcoach-Wojo but a stubborn "my way is the best way and if we keep doing it it will evenutally work" pervaded within games, within seasons, and even across seasons.  He may have "tried too hard" but I hope he took more away from the 7 years that than if he's going to get back into the game.

I think that this is a fair assessment of Wojo as a head coach. I wish the guy well, but I think you're right and I'm glad we moved on. Hopefully he's not just working on his physical flexibility in Park City.
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #37 on: September 21, 2022, 07:19:42 AM »

I know this is splitting hairs, but those lies weren’t meant to discredit his critics as much as they were to portray him as a sympathetic figure.

In other words, it wasn’t anti-Marquette as it was pro-Wojo.

Regardless it’s a trash article.

This is exactly right. Wojo and Seth Davis aren’t out there like “we got screwed by MU. Let’s air the dirty laundry!”

Quit being so sensitive to every little thing that might make MU look anything but beautiful. Some statements weren’t facts? They got the year wrong on some chants? Oh no! Someone said some players didn’t play as hard as they could? Well, if that’s libel there are a lot of Scoopers in trouble!

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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #38 on: September 21, 2022, 07:46:25 AM »

I know this is splitting hairs, but those lies weren’t meant to discredit his critics as much as they were to portray him as a sympathetic figure.

In other words, it wasn’t anti-Marquette as it was pro-Wojo.

Regardless it’s a trash article.

If the author did not use the first part of the bolded to accomplish the second part, I think most people here would have been fine with it.
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2022, 07:49:06 AM »
Wojo is tanned, rested, and ready.   
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #40 on: September 21, 2022, 07:53:26 AM »
If the author did not use the first part of the bolded to accomplish the second part, I think most people here would have been fine with it.


The fans chanting and the press turning on him, while inaccurate, are hardly indictments of Marquette. That pretty much happens everywhere there is an unsuccessful coach.

I doubt any reader not related to Wojo would come away from that thinking "Man that Marquette fanbase is a bunch of nutjobs with unrealistic expectations."
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #41 on: September 21, 2022, 08:04:46 AM »


In other words, it wasn’t anti-Marquette as it was pro-Wojo.


When you’re determined to write a “pro” piece about a situation that resulted in failure you necessarily have to make excuses and shift blame. Truth gives way to things imagined.

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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #42 on: September 21, 2022, 08:07:08 AM »
Wojo is tanned, rested, and ready.

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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #43 on: September 21, 2022, 08:07:37 AM »
When you’re determined to write a “pro” piece about a situation that resulted in failure you necessarily have to make excuses and shift blame. Truth gives way to things imagined.

I guess. I don't think the article really claimed that Wojo didn't fail. He most certainly did, and no spin is going to change that.
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #44 on: September 21, 2022, 08:34:08 AM »
Even the ghost of Wojo raising blood pressures?

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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #45 on: September 21, 2022, 08:37:22 AM »
Wojo is tanned, rested, and ready.
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #46 on: September 21, 2022, 08:37:46 AM »
Who cares
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #47 on: September 21, 2022, 08:39:09 AM »
And rich.

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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #48 on: September 21, 2022, 08:49:43 AM »
How many people out there are actually reading articles on Steve Wojciechowski on The Athletic?
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Re: Seth Davis on Wojo in The Athletic
« Reply #49 on: September 21, 2022, 08:56:11 AM »
Why are we acting liking the statement about local media turning on him is false? Local media for Marquette is Ben Steele, the Marquette Wire, and the various fan blogs (Paint Touches, Cracked Sidewalks, AE). All of those except Ben Steele turned on Wojo (for good reason). The only way that statement is not true is if you consider Ben Steele as Marquette's only form of local media. And Ben as a beat writer requires access to you know, not get fired, so it's not reasonable to except him to publicly turn on on the head coach. Beat writers just report the facts, they don't give their opinions about the programs they follow (or if they do, they are almost always positive and glowing).
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