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"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

wadesworld

Quote from: shoothoops on December 30, 2023, 06:52:22 PM
I agree with Wades. It's about earning your place. Not choosing teams based on injury reports or trying project outcomes.

But doesn't our resident CoMo MuScooper have any Tiger thoughts?

Great season for the Tigers. Bags are being dropped by Mizzou supporters and the recruiting is showing it.

wadesworld

Quote from: Pakuni on December 30, 2023, 06:23:24 PM
Deserves got nothing to do with it.
They weren't one of the four best teams without Travis. .Probably not one of the 10 best, if we're being honest.

Sure. But after Travis's injury they beat Louisville by 10 while never trailing.

The second last game Alabama played, they needed to convert a 4th and goal from the 31 to beat an Auburn team that had just lost by 21 to New Mexico State.

jesmu84

Quote from: shoothoops on December 30, 2023, 06:52:22 PM
I agree with Wades. It's about earning your place. Not choosing teams based on injury reports or trying project outcomes.

But doesn't our resident CoMo MuScooper have any Tiger thoughts?

The committee's worded statement is "best" teams, not "most deserving"

Pakuni

#1929
Quote from: wadesworld on December 30, 2023, 07:17:47 PM
Sure. But after Travis's injury they beat Louisville by 10 while never trailing.

The second last game Alabama played, they needed to convert a 4th and goal from the 31 to beat an Auburn team that had just lost by 21 to New Mexico State.

Louisville just lost by two touchdowns to a USC team that was without Caleb Williams and 20 other opt-outs. Before that, they lost at home to unranked Kentucky. Beating them isn't the accomplishment you seem to be suggesting.

Do you think FSU is a better team than Alabama?

Pakuni

Quote from: shoothoops on December 30, 2023, 06:52:22 PM
I agree with Wades. It's about earning your place. Not choosing teams based on injury reports or trying project outcomes.

The committee's criteria literally states that it should consider injury reports and try to project outcomes.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Pakuni on December 30, 2023, 07:37:28 PM
Louisville just lost by two touchdowns to a USC team that was without Caleb Williams and 20 other opt-outs. Before that, they lost at home to unranked Kentucky. Beating them isn't the accomplishment you seem to be suggesting.

Do you think FSU is a better team than Alabama? If not, what's your point?

Prior to the Travis injury?  Yes, and not sure it's that close. 
Guster is for Lovers

The Sultan

I don't think FSU was one of the four best teams this year regardless of the injury. Their schedule was sh*t.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Pakuni

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 30, 2023, 07:41:43 PM
Prior to the Travis injury?  Yes, and not sure it's that close.

Standing by your "Alabama is in steep decline" take,  I guess.


Uncle Rico

Quote from: Pakuni on December 30, 2023, 07:49:49 PM
Standing by your "Alabama is in steep decline" take,  I guess.

No, I was wrong about that.  Milroe's play was great post-Tennessee.  I just think FSU was better. 

Guster is for Lovers

wadesworld

Quote from: jesmu84 on December 30, 2023, 07:34:33 PM
The committee's worded statement is "best" teams, not "most deserving"

Which is absolutely absurd. No point in playing football games, and the committee made that clear.

The Sultan

I mean, after what I saw tonight, I'm glad that the committee bypassed FSU. Looking forward to two good games on Monday.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

wadesworld

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 30, 2023, 08:11:56 PM
I mean, after what I saw tonight, I'm glad that the committee bypassed FSU. Looking forward to two good games on Monday.

FSU played nobody. Same with OSU last night. These bowl games mean as little as the 13 wins FSU put up this season.

Pakuni

Quote from: wadesworld on December 30, 2023, 08:08:09 PM
No point in playing football games, and the committee made that clear.

FSU had two opportunities to prove they were still a top team without Travis and failed to do it.
In those last two games, their offense averaged 222 yards and 20 points per game.  For comparison's sake, Iowa averaged 240 yards and 16.6 ppg.
Without Travis, Florida State proved on the field that it was Iowa

The Sultan

Quote from: wadesworld on December 30, 2023, 08:24:23 PM
FSU played nobody. Same with OSU last night. These bowl games mean as little as the 13 wins FSU put up this season.

Yep. As someone who likes the bowl games, it's pretty sad. But the 12 team playoff should help.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

wadesworld

Quote from: Pakuni on December 30, 2023, 08:26:40 PM
FSU had two opportunities to prove they were still a top team without Travis and failed to do it.
In those last two games, their offense averaged 222 yards and 20 points per game.  For comparison's sake, Iowa averaged 240 yards and 16.6 ppg.
Without Travis, Florida State proved on the field that it was Iowa

They had 13 chances to prove they were a top team this year and never failed. Only 2 other teams could say the same. With a 4 team Playoff, there was plenty of room for them.

MuggsyB

I'm sorry but if you feel slighted because you didn't make the 4 team playoff, and are undefeated , your response is to quit?  Whatever happened to having some pride? 

wadesworld

Quote from: MuggsyB on December 30, 2023, 09:47:15 PM
I'm sorry but if you feel slighted because you didn't make the 4 team playoff, and are undefeated , your response is to quit?  Whatever happened to having some pride?

Pride went out the window when the committee told them their 13 wins all meant nothing at all.

The Sultan

Quote from: MuggsyB on December 30, 2023, 09:47:15 PM
I'm sorry but if you feel slighted because you didn't make the 4 team playoff, and are undefeated , your response is to quit?  Whatever happened to having some pride? 

lol

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MuggsyB

#1944
Quote from: wadesworld on December 30, 2023, 09:51:37 PM
Pride went out the window when the committee told them their 13 wins all meant nothing at all.

Did they beat anybody? 

Okay they beat LSU on Sept 3rd.

The Sultan

LSU in week one was probably their best win. But the ACC was pretty bad this year.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MuggsyB

Well, I'll admit to not watching or caring much about college football but my guess is they would have been rolled no matter who decided to play in the playoff. 

The Sultan

Quote from: MuggsyB on December 30, 2023, 10:09:11 PM
Well, I'll admit to not watching or caring much about college football but my guess is they would have been rolled no matter who decided to play in the playoff. 

Cool.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass



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