2024 College Football Thread

[Mutaman]

or actually having  academic standards above the NCAA minimum;

Didn't Diamond Stone end up at Maryland because he couldn't meet the tougher Wisconsin admission standards?

Isn't the same thing true of MU? Didn't Todd Mayo have some issues because even though he met NCAA standards, he fell short of the higher Marquette requirements. 

Could be wrong about both.

[JWags85]

Didn't Diamond Stone end up at Maryland because he couldn't meet the tougher Wisconsin admission standards?

Isn't the same thing true of MU? Didn't Todd Mayo have some issues because even though he met NCAA standards, he fell short of the higher Marquette requirements. 

Could be wrong about both.

Stone went to Maryland because it's an Under Armour school. And possibly some other $$ at play.  Academics are just the card UW plays whenever they get plunked recruiting.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

A old colleague who was recently on the UW Board of Regents said to me  today "McIntosh doesn't get up to take a piss without asking Barry."  Barry may be gone but he isn't gone. McIntosh wouldn't have gotten the job if he was going to do things his own way.

Barry wasn't involved in this hire. He may have been informed, but from the beginning this was all Mac Intosh's decision.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Didn't Diamond Stone end up at Maryland because he couldn't meet the tougher Wisconsin admission standards?

Isn't the same thing true of MU? Didn't Todd Mayo have some issues because even though he met NCAA standards, he fell short of the higher Marquette requirements. 

Could be wrong about both.

You are wrong about both

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Barry wasn't involved in this hire. He may have been informed, but from the beginning this was all Mac Intosh's decision.

Let me clarify this more. I have no doubt that at one time, McIntosh was largely running the athletic department while Alvarez was the athletic director. And I am sure there were times that he would have to check with Barry on every decision that was made.

But I know for a fact that there was growing frustration within the UW athletic department due to Barry by and large spending time down in Naples and not attending to the day-to-day aspects of his job.  And from the looks of things, that included the football program (which reported to Barry until the end) which could explain its disorganization, etc.

McIntosh isn't a dummy and isn't running these decisions by Barry. In fact, I am about 99% positive that the UW chancellor and athletic board wanted to get away from the model where Barry was the titular figurehead and wanted the athletic department to run like its 2022 and not 1992. (For instance, they were WAY behind their peers with NIL mostly due to Chryst simply not liking it.)  And that actually could have been McIntosh's biggest obstacle to getting the job, but he apparently convinced everyone that he was his own guy.

That is why I am 100% sure this was all McIntosh. Sure he likely kept Barry in the loop, but Barry hasn't been making decisions in the athletic department for awhile. And the idea that he is still running it in retirement just isn't accurate. There is no reason to.

[Uncle Rico]

Let me clarify this more. I have no doubt that at one time, McIntosh was largely running the athletic department while Alvarez was the athletic director. And I am sure there were times that he would have to check with Barry on every decision that was made.

But I know for a fact that there was growing frustration within the UW athletic department due to Barry by and large spending time down in Naples and not attending to the day-to-day aspects of his job.  And from the looks of things, that included the football program (which reported to Barry until the end) which could explain its disorganization, etc.

McIntosh isn't a dummy and isn't running these decisions by Barry. In fact, I am about 99% positive that the UW chancellor and athletic board wanted to get away from the model where Barry was the titular figurehead and wanted the athletic department to run like its 2022 and not 1992. (For instance, they were WAY behind their peers with NIL mostly due to Chryst simply not liking it.)  And that actually could have been McIntosh's biggest obstacle to getting the job, but he apparently convinced everyone that he was his own guy.

That is why I am 100% sure this was all McIntosh. Sure he likely kept Barry in the loop, but Barry hasn't been making decisions in the athletic department for awhile. And the idea that he is still running it in retirement just isn't accurate. There is no reason to.

Correct

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Another great article on Hugh Freeze and Christian forgiveness

https://www.jasonkirk.fyi/p/hugh-freeze-auburn

"I don't care that Freeze paid players. Paying players is the only awesome thing he's ever done. I don't care what he did with escorts, and hopefully any transactions were lucrative. These things join the ranks of Freeze's more concerning scandals because he'd kept lying about them even after gaining the Liberty job, which further exposes the hollow hypocrisy of his pious branding. His assumption that everyone should "get over" his awful behavior reveals he's surrounded himself with like-minded adults who share a specific misunderstanding of redemption, especially since he then worsened his reputation by trying to intimidate Chelsea Andrews.

Way too many Christians view forgiveness as something to be granted by a third-party arbiter, whom they happen to access via an encrypted connection not available to the human victim. It doesn't cross their minds that they should face repercussions, make amends, alter behavior, or at very least thump their poorly read1 Bibles less frequently. They instead rub some church on it, wipe a tear while smiling at other Christians who share the appropriate demographics, and declare the matter resolved. They are then shocked to discover there are people outside their back-slapping huddle who don't recognize the validity of the Get Out Of Consequences Free Card the offender has imagined into existence.

...

Jesus encouraged forgiveness, to be clear. But he also demanded a system in which victims confront wrongdoers, with reconciliation far from automatically guaranteed:

"If your brother or sister sins against you, go and point out the fault when the two of you are alone. If you are listened to, you have regained that one. But if you are not listened to, take one or two others along with you, so that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If that person refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church, and if the offender refuses to listen even to the church, let such a one be to you as a tax collector."

The rest of the Bible includes many reconciliation systems, from the Torah's cleansing rituals through Revelation's planet earth remade to God's standards. Each has requirements, whether that means financial reparations, Ancient Israel's detailed land covenant with God, or Jesus declaring forgiveness is for forgivers.

[JWags85]

Another great article on Hugh Freeze and Christian forgiveness

https://www.jasonkirk.fyi/p/hugh-freeze-auburn

"I don't care that Freeze paid players. Paying players is the only awesome thing he's ever done. I don't care what he did with escorts, and hopefully any transactions were lucrative. These things join the ranks of Freeze's more concerning scandals because he'd kept lying about them even after gaining the Liberty job, which further exposes the hollow hypocrisy of his pious branding. His assumption that everyone should "get over" his awful behavior reveals he's surrounded himself with like-minded adults who share a specific misunderstanding of redemption, especially since he then worsened his reputation by trying to intimidate Chelsea Andrews.

Way too many Christians view forgiveness as something to be granted by a third-party arbiter, whom they happen to access via an encrypted connection not available to the human victim. It doesn't cross their minds that they should face repercussions, make amends, alter behavior, or at very least thump their poorly read1 Bibles less frequently. They instead rub some church on it, wipe a tear while smiling at other Christians who share the appropriate demographics, and declare the matter resolved. They are then shocked to discover there are people outside their back-slapping huddle who don't recognize the validity of the Get Out Of Consequences Free Card the offender has imagined into existence.

...

Jesus encouraged forgiveness, to be clear. But he also demanded a system in which victims confront wrongdoers, with reconciliation far from automatically guaranteed:

"If your brother or sister sins against you, go and point out the fault when the two of you are alone. If you are listened to, you have regained that one. But if you are not listened to, take one or two others along with you, so that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If that person refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church, and if the offender refuses to listen even to the church, let such a one be to you as a tax collector."

The rest of the Bible includes many reconciliation systems, from the Torah's cleansing rituals through Revelation's planet earth remade to God's standards. Each has requirements, whether that means financial reparations, Ancient Israel's detailed land covenant with God, or Jesus declaring forgiveness is for forgivers.

I think that hits on the biggest thing with Freeze.  Not that he acted inappropriately and got caught, but that he is unrepentant and seemingly doesn't give a f***.  "Whatever get over it" is super lame.

He's unquestionably a great coach, he's proved it on multiple levels.  But he's also unquestionably a POS.

[WhiteTrash]

I think that hits on the biggest thing with Freeze.  Not that he acted inappropriately and got caught, but that he is unrepentant and seemingly doesn't give a f***.  "Whatever get over it" is super lame.

He's unquestionably a great coach, he's proved it on multiple levels. But he's also unquestionably a POS.

He's perfect for Auburn and the SEC.

[Pakuni]

I think that hits on the biggest thing with Freeze.  Not that he acted inappropriately and got caught, but that he is unrepentant and seemingly doesn't give a f***.  "Whatever get over it" is super lame.

He's unquestionably a great coach, he's proved it on multiple levels.  But he's also unquestionably a POS.

I'm not sure he's unquestionably a great coach.
Ole Miss isn't the easiest place to win, and the SEC West is tough sledding, but his winning percentage there (.609) is worse than Kiffin's (.676), the same as David Cutcliffe's (.603) and only a little better than Sen. Tommy Tuberville (.556). He had a losing conference record overall and finished 5th, 5th, 3rd, 2nd and 7th in the SEC West.
And, safe to say he left the program in worse shape than he inherited it, which is saying something given how badly the Houston Nutt era ended there.
His reputation is built largely on two wins over Bama, one of which was the flukiest of flukey games.
I think he's a good coach, but as the piece Sultan linked yesterday notes, he's less accomplished than the guy Auburn fired two years ago with 10 times the baggage and risk.

[JWags85]

I'm not sure he's unquestionably a great coach.
Ole Miss isn't the easiest place to win, and the SEC West is tough sledding, but his winning percentage there (.609) is worse than Kiffin's (.676), the same as David Cutcliffe's (.603) and only a little better than Sen. Tommy Tuberville (.556). He had a losing conference record overall and finished 5th, 5th, 3rd, 2nd and 7th in the SEC West.
And, safe to say he left the program in worse shape than he inherited it, which is saying something given how badly the Houston Nutt era ended there.
His reputation is built largely on two wins over Bama, one of which was the flukiest of flukey games.
I think he's a good coach, but as the piece Sultan linked yesterday notes, he's less accomplished than the guy Auburn fired two years ago with 10 times the baggage and risk.

I'm looking at his career.  He was a consistently fantastic HS coach.  Then went to the NAIA level, took over a moribund program and turned it around instantly and took them to their undefeated regular season and first quarterfinal in a decade.  Incredibly fast 1 season turnaround at Ark St, another program that had been meh for years.  Ole Miss had won 4 games the previous 2 seasons.  He got them to 7-8 win seasons and beating top 10 ranked teams and Bama within 2 years.

His work at Liberty was really good too.  Turning them into a top 25 team and potent offense after just 2 years at the FBS level is impressive.

I don't think he's the second coming of Nick Saban, or even Pat Dye, but he's a great coach who has won at all levels, which means something to me from a purely football perspective (feel the same way about Mussleman as a BB coach).

But like you said, he left Ole Miss in shambles and there is something to be said for that.  Not to mention a complete lack of regret means he's doomed to repeat history in some fashion.

[Pakuni]

Sure, why not.

@JTalty: Sources confirm that UAB is expected to hire former NFL QB Trent Dilfer as its next head coach. The deal has not been finalized but the two sides are expected to come to terms.

[Pakuni]

Jon Kitna's kid and the likely Florida starting QB heading into 2023 ...

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35149554/florida-qb-jalen-kitna-jailed-child-pornography-counts

[Uncle Rico]

Jon Kitna's kid and the likely Florida starting QB heading into 2023 ...

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35149554/florida-qb-jalen-kitna-jailed-child-pornography-counts

Jon Kitna's kid, huh? 

[Uncle Rico]

More college football police blotter.  This time, Mickey Joseph

https://twitter.com/lincoln_police/status/1598098154532245505?s=46&t=7QRdh0H5yuyq5-DMOS2QpQ

[Uncle Rico]

Ohio State has asked not to play in the Rose Bowl should they not be selected for the playoff

[Jockey]

I think Ohio State and Tony LaRussa would be a perfect match.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Ohio State has asked not to play in the Rose Bowl should they not be selected for the playoff

They didn't sell out their allotment of tickets last year. That problem would likely be worse this year. Apparently they would prefer the Orange or Sugar.

[Pakuni]

They didn't sell out their allotment of tickets last year. That problem would likely be worse this year. Apparently they would prefer the Orange or Sugar.

And it sounds like the Rose Bowl might prefer Penn State.

[Uncle Rico]

And it sounds like the Rose Bowl might prefer Penn State.

Barry Alvarez is rolling off whatever skank he's with in disbelief someone would turn down a Rose Bowl

[Pakuni]

Lane Kiffin remains college football's Twitter GOAT

https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/1597895745129979904

[JWags85]

Sure, why not.

@JTalty: Sources confirm that UAB is expected to hire former NFL QB Trent Dilfer as its next head coach. The deal has not been finalized but the two sides are expected to come to terms.

This is a little less absurd when you dig into it.  He's been a really good HS coach for a few years and also, more importantly, he's been head of the Elite 11 for years.  So he's likely well connected in the recruiting circles.

Lane Kiffin remains college football's Twitter GOAT

https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/1597895745129979904

Man, Ole Miss-Auburn, and the lead up to it, next year is gonna be must watch

[Hards Alumni]

He's getting the gig. It's all about recruiting.

hehehehehe

[Hards Alumni]

I think Fickell realizes that there is more to recruiting that signing fat white boys from Wisconsin.

Depends on the person really.  The Watts, and a ton of professional OL guys are still "fat white boys from Wisconsin".

[Hards Alumni]

Heard from a friend yesterday who is somewhat connected into the UW program that McIntosh was concerned about a lack of "organization" around the program under Chryst. That everything from recruiting, to game day planning to game management was a little chaotic, as opposed to the relatively tight ships run by both Alavarez and Beleima. And that none of this had gotten better under Leonhard, which is why he really wanted an experienced coach in that role.

And now you have another Auburn coaching search going off the rails...

I have also heard this since before Chryst was sent packing.