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Another mass shooting-Greenwood Indiana

Started by lawdog77, July 18, 2022, 07:42:54 AM

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Uncle Rico

Quote from: Pakuni on July 20, 2022, 02:17:07 PM
Oh, do tell about all the mass hand grenade and machete attacks we're seeing.

Some people need to get their heads out of their asses
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

Uncle Rico

Since Columbine we've had how many mass shooting instances?

The blame has changed through the years from music to video games to medication and so on.

But never the guns.  It's never the guns even though that's always the weapon of choice. 

It's the guns
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

Pakuni


lawdog77


Pakuni

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 20, 2022, 02:47:45 PM
You might want to read the updated laws. And hold off on calling someone ignorant.
https://www.in.gov/attorneygeneral/files/Gun-Owners-Bill-of-Rights_Web.pdf
If my reading is wrong, then I'm wrong.
But I'll never stop calling people ignorant when they're, you know, ignorant.

lawdog77

Quote from: Pakuni on July 20, 2022, 02:51:12 PM
If my reading is wrong, then I'm wrong.
But I'll never stop calling people ignorant when they're, you know, ignorant.
So you're calling me ignorant because I gave you an example of how the law works? You are wrong, there is no If.

Pakuni

#81
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 20, 2022, 02:56:00 PM
So you're calling me ignorant because I gave you an example of how the law works? You are wrong, there is no If.

I didn't call "you" ignorant, so put away your victim card.
But if I've offended you, I apologize.

lawdog77

#82
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 18, 2022, 06:38:35 PM
I mentioned it in a previous (locked) thread, and it probably won't matter, but this is an error of logic built on favoring narrative over statistics.  If a person believes that what stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, then when faced with a mass shooting, logically that person explains a cause of that shooting to be the absence of a good guy with a gun.  Therefore the answer to gun violence would be to arm more good guys.  This is great if your dad is a door-to-door gun salesman, but it ignores the wealth of available statistics that show the greatest predictor of gun violence is gun prevalence. 

So if you believe the answer to bad guys with guns is good guys with guns, you believe in more guns.  And given that data shows that more guns = more gun deaths, if you subcribe to the good guys with guns theory, then you are okay with more people needlessly losing their lives.
That's a big jump. What you fail to factor in is all the crimes prevented because people have guns. I don't believe in more guns (nobody needs more than 1). I believe that those that want guns for self defense need to be heavily vetted, trained,  and put on a registry. I don't think anyone needs a gun for hunting. Bow hunting only.


rocket surgeon

just some more facts for you guys to roll your eyes at and refer to as more "talking points"  and no, the source isn't one of your bibles-ny times, cnn, usatoday...


   https://www.heritage.org/firearms/commentary/6-reasons-gun-control-will-not-solve-mass-killings
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

lawdog77

Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on July 20, 2022, 03:45:21 PM
just some more facts for you guys to roll your eyes at and refer to as more "talking points"  and no, the source isn't one of your bibles-ny times, cnn, usatoday...


   https://www.heritage.org/firearms/commentary/6-reasons-gun-control-will-not-solve-mass-killings
I don't think anyone is saying we can eliminate mass shootings, but how about not having one every week?

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

rocket is a pure example of someone who only seeks out sources to reinforce his preordained beliefs.  The exact opposite of what his Marquette education should have taught him.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on July 20, 2022, 03:45:21 PM
just some more facts for you guys to roll your eyes at and refer to as more "talking points"  and no, the source isn't one of your bibles-ny times, cnn, usatoday...


   https://www.heritage.org/firearms/commentary/6-reasons-gun-control-will-not-solve-mass-killings

This is classic Rocket, a real callback to a simpler time.  Air quotes, ellipses and a link to a right-wing website as absolute proof.

I give the a 9 out of 10
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

MU82


Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court's opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. (United States v Miller - 1939) holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those 'in common use at the time' finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

- Former Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, District of Columbia v Heller, 2008 (Scalia was appointed by Reagan)

The Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees a "right of the people to keep and bear arms." However, the meaning of this clause cannot be understood apart from the purpose, the setting, and the objectives of the draftsmen. At the time of the Bill of Rights, people were apprehensive about the new national government presented to them, and this helps explain the language and purpose of the Second Amendment. It guarantees, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The need for a State militia was the predicate of the "right" guarantee, so as to protect the security of the State. Today, of course, the State militia serves a different purpose. A huge national defense establishment has assumed the role of the militia of 200 years ago. Americans have a right to defend their homes, and nothing should undermine this right; nor does anyone question that the Constitution protects the right of hunters to own and keep sporting guns for hunting anymore than anyone would challenge the right to own and keep fishing rods and other equipment for fishing. Neither does anyone question the right of citizens to keep and own an automobile. Yet there is no strong interest by the citizenry in questioning the power of the State to regulate the purchase or the transfer of such a vehicle and the right to license the vehicle and the driver with reasonable standards. It is even more desirable for the State to have reasonable regulations for the ownership and use of a firearm in an effort to stop mindless homicidal carnage.

- Former Chief Justice Warren Burger, 1992 (Burger was appointed by Nixon)

Good evening, everybody. This here is Archie Bunker of 704 Hauser Street, veteran of the big war, speaking on behalf of guns for everybody. Now, question: what was the first thing that the Communists done when they took over Russia? Answer: gun control. And there's a lot of people in this country want to do the same thing to us here in a kind of conspiracy, see. You take your big international bankers, they want to - whaddya call - masticate the people of this here nation like puppets on the wing, and then when they get their guns, turn us over to the Commies. ... Now I want to talk about another thing that's on everybody's minds today, and that's your stick-ups and your skyjackings, and which, if that were up to me, I could end the skyjackings tomorrow. All you gotta do is arm all your passengers. He ain't got no more moral superiority there, and he ain't gonna dare to pull out no rod. And then your airlines, they wouldn't have to search the passengers on the ground no more, they just pass out the pistols at the beginning of the trip, and they just pick them up at the end! Case closed.

- Archie Bunker
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

Pakuni

Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on July 20, 2022, 03:45:21 PM
just some more facts for you guys to roll your eyes at and refer to as more "talking points"  and no, the source isn't one of your bibles-ny times, cnn, usatoday...


   https://www.heritage.org/firearms/commentary/6-reasons-gun-control-will-not-solve-mass-killings

If anyone spends the time to read this, it is horrifically bad.
Heritage sold out its credibility long ago, but this is shoddy work even for them.

jesmu84

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 20, 2022, 01:08:50 PM
Individuals don't need this to justify having guns. There are plenty of studies out there that show hundreds of thousands if not millions of crimes are prevented by having a gun.
One study showed Of the 2,500,000 annual self-defense cases using guns, more than 7.7% (192,500) are by women defending themselves against sexual abuse.
Another study showed the number of times per year an American uses a firearm to deter a home invasion alone is 498,000.

Do most think that there needs to be better gun control/gun management laws? Hell yeah.

Do you have the sources for the studies?

Dickthedribbler

Quote from: Pakuni on July 20, 2022, 05:01:00 PM
If anyone spends the time to read this, it is horrifically bad.
Heritage sold out its credibility long ago, but this is shoddy work even for them.

I think it's a spectacularly good article that Rocket cited.

Pakuni

Quote from: Dickthedribbler on July 20, 2022, 05:27:46 PM
I think it's a spectacularly good article that Rocket cited.

Which was your favorite part?
1. That Norway, which has had four mass shootings in its history, has a worse mass shooting problem than the United States, which has had 11 mass shootings this week.
2. Their claim that the Oklahoma City bombing proves that  mass killers will just find another way.
3. Their claim that Australia's 1996 gun laws didn't work, despite the fact there's been only one mass shooting in Australia since.

rocket surgeon

Quote from: User Name #251 on July 20, 2022, 03:49:42 PM
rocket is a pure example of someone who only seeks out sources to reinforce his preordained beliefs.  The exact opposite of what his Marquette education should have taught him.

  what the...so tell me sully, am i supposed to seek out sources that contradict my beliefs??  MU should have taught me this??  no, MU taught me how to think, not WHAT to think.  this was before the indoctrination that you and many others here must have been to weak to understand
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

Uncle Rico

Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on July 20, 2022, 06:00:06 PM
  what the...so tell me sully, am i supposed to seek out sources that contradict my beliefs??  MU should have taught me this??  no, MU taught me how to think, not WHAT to think.  this was before the indoctrination that you and many others here must have been to weak to understand

Great post.

8 of 10
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

Dickthedribbler

Quote from: Pakuni on July 20, 2022, 05:58:05 PM
Which was your favorite part?
1. That Norway, which has had four mass shootings in its history, has a worse mass shooting problem than the United States, which has had 11 mass shootings this week.
2. Their claim that the Oklahoma City bombing proves that  mass killers will just find another way.
3. Their claim that Australia's 1996 gun laws didn't work, despite the fact there's been only one mass shooting in Australia since.

No. My favorite part is that it obviously got under your skin.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on July 20, 2022, 06:00:06 PM
  what the...so tell me sully, am i supposed to seek out sources that contradict my beliefs??  MU should have taught me this??  no, MU taught me how to think, not WHAT to think.  this was before the indoctrination that you and many others here must have been to weak to understand

Which undergrad teacher was your favorite?

Pakuni


MU82

Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on July 20, 2022, 06:00:06 PM
this was before the indoctrination

Marquette didn't teach theology when you were there?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

JWags85

Quote from: Pakuni on July 20, 2022, 05:58:05 PM
Which was your favorite part?
1. That Norway, which has had four mass shootings in its history, has a worse mass shooting problem than the United States, which has had 11 mass shootings this week.
2. Their claim that the Oklahoma City bombing proves that  mass killers will just find another way.
3. Their claim that Australia's 1996 gun laws didn't work, despite the fact there's been only one mass shooting in Australia since.

Nah, I personally liked the equalizing of "well, if they didn't have guns, they would just burn the whole building down like this event 50+ years ago".

Beyond all the weird event call outs, it was just WAYYYY too heavy on the whole "if we can't stop every single bad event, why bother" fallacy

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on July 20, 2022, 06:00:06 PM
  what the...so tell me sully, am i supposed to seek out sources that contradict my beliefs??  MU should have taught me this??  no, MU taught me how to think, not WHAT to think.  this was before the indoctrination that you and many others here must have been to weak to understand


If Marquette's job was to teach you how to think, they failed. Spectacularly.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.