2022-23 NBA Thread

[MU82]

See I disagree.  I think this is a rare "star" trade where both teams win.  Cavs send Sexton (who was secondary at the PG to Garland), Lauri (who is owed another $65MM and probably wouldn't start this year), and a rookie, plus picks years from now, not even in the next 2 drafts, when you'd hope to be picking in the 20s anyway.  They have tons of young talent, they don't need a bunch more picks if they get a alpha scorer.

Jazz add more picks.  Now 15 first rounders in the next 7-8 years.  Plus Conley will probably be moved too.  Ainge is wheeling and dealing.

Man the Cavs got attractive in a HURRY.  Garland, Mitchell, Mobley is a great trio.  Allen is good interior anchor.  And maybe Caris Levert gets back to his 18-20 level in an off the bench role like Jordan Clarkson.  AND they get another $30MM a year coming off the books next year when Kevin Love retires.

Agree. I love the trade for Cleveland. They are going for it.

If they are as good as they think they'll be, the draft picks will be borderline meaningless. And if they're worse than they think they'll be, they'd have been effed anyway.

[JWags85]

The question ultimately comes down to whether they are now good enough to be a title contender or not?   I think they're certainly intriguing but not good enough to be in the mix for a ring.

I don't think they are in a mix for a ring this year, but their trio is 21, 22, and 25.  They are all signed through 2026.  Add in the ability to add another big piece next year with the K Love money, and I think they could easily contend for the East in 2024 if Garland and Mobley continue to develop like they have.

[MuggsyB]

I don't think they are in a mix for a ring this year, but their trio is 21, 22, and 25.  They are all signed through 2026.  Add in the ability to add another big piece next year with the K Love money, and I think they could easily contend for the East in 2024 if Garland and Mobley continue to develop like they have.

Fair points.  Don't Garland and Mitchell play a similar style and need the ball in their hands?  I haven't watched Garland enough but Mitchell isn't as effective off the ball.  Wade adjusted with Lebron but had a much more efficient game. 

[JWags85]

Fair points.  Don't Garland and Mitchell play a similar style and need the ball in their hands?  I haven't watched Garland enough but Mitchell isn't as effective off the ball.  Wade adjusted with Lebron but had a much more efficient game.

Mitchell has a usage in the low 30s.  Garland's is in the mid to high 20s.  Mike Conley played just fine with Mitchell and he went from a high 20s usage to mid 20s.  Garland and Mitchell both are combo guards who can switch.  Garland averaged almost 9 assists last year, so he can clearly distribute when needed.

[wadesworld]

The Cavs backcourt might not be able to guard whatever backcourt is currently playing at the Rec Center right now.  They'll need one of Mobley or Allen to really stretch the floor, because they'll need both guys on the floor to cover for those guards.

[MU82]

Quite a situation involving Suns majority owner Robert Sarver.

He's revealed himself as a raging racist and supreme a-hole. The NBA suspended him for a year ... but it should be no surprise that the Black people who make up the majority of the league's on-court talent want him Sterlinged. It would be an upset if he isn't gone very soon.

He'll get his money, just as Sterling did, but he'll spend the rest of his life being known as "that racist dirtball who used to own the Suns."

[MuggsyB]

Quite a situation involving Suns majority owner Robert Sarver.

He's revealed himself as a raging racist and supreme a-hole. The NBA suspended him for a year ... but it should be no surprise that the Black people who make up the majority of the league's on-court talent want him Sterlinged. It would be an upset if he isn't gone very soon.

He'll get his money, just as Sterling did, but he'll spend the rest of his life being known as "that racist dirtball who used to own the Suns."

I think Sarver is going to fight this but that he'll probably eventually be gone when their corporate sponsors bolt.  It's also going to be interesting to see what Monty Williams and James Jones do now.  There could be pressure on them to leave after this seasoni if Sarver doesn't resign?   

[MU82]

Becky Hammon is better than how many NBA coaches?

[JWags85]

Becky Hammon is better than how many NBA coaches?

Its an interesting question, but she did inherit an absolutely STACKED team.  3 consecutive 1st picks (2 of whom were pretty unanimous NPOY in college), plus they signed a perennial All Star in Chelsea Grey.  Be like having a team in the early 2010s with Lebron, D Rose, and Blake Griffin, and then also signing Joe Johnson.

That being said, she's fantastic with Xs and Os and her dead ball out of bounds play design was pretty excellent on a consistent basis.  She definitely deserves a look over a bunch of the retreads that keep finding jobs.

[4everwarriors]

Has anyone checked da teem's bra sizes, hey?

[MU82]

Its an interesting question, but she did inherit an absolutely STACKED team.  3 consecutive 1st picks (2 of whom were pretty unanimous NPOY in college), plus they signed a perennial All Star in Chelsea Grey.  Be like having a team in the early 2010s with Lebron, D Rose, and Blake Griffin, and then also signing Joe Johnson.

That being said, she's fantastic with Xs and Os and her dead ball out of bounds play design was pretty excellent on a consistent basis.  She definitely deserves a look over a bunch of the retreads that keep finding jobs.

Agree on all of that. And managing egos on a stacked team isn't always easy for coaches to do.

[MU82]

The Athletic is reporting that the next collective bargaining agreement will once again allow kids to go directly from preps to pros. In other words, the end of college basketball's One-and-Done Error.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

According to Woj, they still have to work out some details and probably wouldn't take place for a couple of years.  But also 18 year olds are not "kids."

[Uncle Rico]

The Athletic is reporting that the next collective bargaining agreement will once again allow kids to go directly from preps to pros. In other words, the end of college basketball's One-and-Done Error.

It’s years away from actually happening, however, because of the number of first round picks that have been traded away in future years.  I’d guess 5-6 years before one and done is gone

[MU82]

According to Woj, they still have to work out some details and probably wouldn't take place for a couple of years.  But also 18 year olds are not "kids."

My kids are in their 30s, and they're still kids to me.

But sure, if you felt like objecting to something (as you often do), 18-year-olds are technically not "kids." Even if they aren't legally allowed to take a sip of beer.

[MuggsyB]

Apparently Bill Walton was assaulted over the weekend riding his bike in Balboa Park. 

[MUfan12]

Dammit now I kinda like Marcus Smart- https://twitter.com/smart_MS3/status/1572271887404920832

[MuggsyB]

I hope when they allow hs players to go pro that they will also give them the option to play college hoops if they are not drafted. 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I hope when they allow hs players to go pro that they will also give them the option to play college hoops if they are not drafted. 

That's also an NCAA issue.

[Pakuni]

Robert Sarver selling the Suns.
Should we start a collection?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Robert Sarver selling the Suns.
Should we start a collection?

Playing the victim card in the process...

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

And Rodger Sherman hits it right on the head with Sarver.

https://twitter.com/rodger/status/1572631985872375815?s=20&t=iKlKbIXGl0FzjvzTsc4YXw

[Uncle Rico]

And Rodger Sherman hits it right on the head with Sarver.

https://twitter.com/rodger/status/1572631985872375815?s=20&t=iKlKbIXGl0FzjvzTsc4YXw

Always claiming victim hood for one’s words. 

[WhiteTrash]

Ball heading for yet another surgery. It is time for the Bulls to tear it down and start over. The ceiling with a healthy Ball is maybe a 5 seed. It's not a young team and last year was probably the best they will ever be. Ball can be the perfect excuse for the new guys to hit the reset button

But if I had to guess, they will churn and burn as a borderline playoff team for a few years before slipping back into a perennial lottery team. Fire some coaches and finally the GM.

[Plaque Lives Matter!]

I mean they just hired their gm but ok