Protecting the Constitution

[Pakuni]

I have seen neither racism nor drivel from Mr. Merit on this site

[lawdog77]

It doesn't have to be. Yet so many who who fight for the unborn seem very happy to fight against certain populations of born people despite claiming to be Christian.

As a disclaimer I am both Christian and believe life starts at conception. I just recognize that my belief shouldn't be forced onto others.

That's where I am at as well.

I do think there should be a waiting period, should be the same amount of time as getting a gun.

[muwarrior69]

Who says? Well most pro-abortion politicians for one.

It doesn't have to be. Yet so many who who fight for the unborn seem very happy to fight against certain populations of born people despite claiming to be Christian.

As a disclaimer I am both Christian and believe life starts at conception. I just recognize that my belief shouldn't be forced onto others.

Then don't force me to call someone by their preferred pronoun.

[Hards Alumni]

Then don't force me to call someone by their preferred pronoun.

You got it, ma'am.

[Pakuni]

Then don't force me to call someone by their preferred pronoun.

Who has ever done that, Mrs. Warrior?

[Uncle Rico]

I have seen neither racism nor drivel from Mr. Merit on this site

Sorry you feel that way

[Merit Matters]

Then don't force me to call someone by their preferred pronoun.

Agreed. And don't force medical treatments on people like vaccines. As a libertarian and Catholic, just let people be!

[Pakuni]

Agreed. And don't force medical treatments on people like vaccines. As a libertarian and Catholic, just let people be!

Who forced you to take a vaccine?

[LAZER]

All I know is that from the day I heard my wife and I were expecting a child I had unconditional love for that child. Imo, there is nothing more wonderful than seeing a Mom see her new child the first time. It brings tears to my eyes every time I see a picture of Mom and their child. That 100% sums up my feeling on the topic.

This isn't really the topic though

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

All I know is that from the day I heard my wife and I were expecting a child I had unconditional love for that child. Imo, there is nothing more wonderful than seeing a Mom see her new child the first time. It brings tears to my eyes every time I see a picture of Mom and their child. That 100% sums up my feeling on the topic.

But that's not everybody's experience. Whose paying for the child care if the mother walks out?

You can't push your experience onto everybody. Especially when people also don't believe in supporting those below the poverty line.

All you're going to do is tell someone "pull yourselves up by your boot straps, this is 'Murica." to a person/child that didn't ask to be put in that situation. And then not support them when they're on the streets.

It's so fucked

[Pakuni]

I do think there should be a waiting period, should be the same amount of time as getting a gun.

I mean, OK, but it's not like a woman can walk into their local Walmart to get an abortion. It's something that requires an appointment which, I would imagine, isn't a "see you in an hour" kind of thing.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Then don't force me to call someone by their preferred pronoun.

Who is forcing you? You can call people whatever pronoun you want. Just like I can call you whatever name I want if you refuse to call someone by their preferred pronoun.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

They're not babies you doofus.  No one is killing babies, and if they are, it's murder.  A clump of cells that can't live on it's own isn't a baby.

Again, take your puritanical Fundemental Christian Extremism and move to a country that was founded upon it.  This one certainly wasn't.

Which is my point, this decision violates 1st Amendment Freedom of Religion rights.  The every fetus is a baby is a religious belief and being forced on others this violating rights

[Goose]

Lazer

My take, I am fine if it is legal and it should only be done in extreme circumstances. That said, that is my opinion and understand my opinion does not match up with everyone.

[MU82]

Doesn't matter if the fetus is badly injured in the womb and will go on to have only 3 very painful weeks once out of the womb before dying.

The mother MUST carry that inside her for months and months, must give birth, must helplessly watch the child suffer, must helplessly watch the child die a horrible death, and then must endure a lifetime of emotional suffering herself.

Because the big government of her state said she must, and because she couldn't afford to travel to a place where there isn't a cruel, heartless, invasive ruling government entity.

Just like Jesus would have wanted.

[lawdog77]

I mean, OK, but it's not like a woman can walk into their local Walmart to get an abortion. It's something that requires an appointment which, I would imagine, isn't a "see you in an hour" kind of thing.

Here's the waiting period list:
https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/counseling-and-waiting-periods-abortion I think it should be at least 7 days, along with required counseling. Guns should be at least that long, with required training.

[Pakuni]

Here's the waiting period list:
https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/counseling-and-waiting-periods-abortion I think it should be at least 7 days, along with required counseling. Guns should be at least that long, with required training.

Counseling by who? For what purpose?
I suspect the counseling one receives at Planned Parenthood might be a little different than at Catholic Charities.

[MUBurrow]

Then don't force me to call someone by their preferred pronoun.

Agreed. And don't force medical treatments on people like vaccines. As a libertarian and Catholic, just let people be!

One trend that once you start to notice, you see everywhere, is that the average person on the right [edit: who is motivated by social issues] does not understand the difference between governmental action and the consequences of their actions from private actors.  This isn't meant to be meanspirited, they truly do not know the difference.  The result is people who allegedly believe in small government trying to use that government as a cudgel against private individuals as a way of getting back at them for how mad they are at the direction society is developing. 

[TSmith34, Inc.]

When you have nothing to say, scream racism. Works every time. The ultimate Trump card and sign of a fundamentally flawed argument.

Except, of course, that you scream your racism every chance you get, including your signature. Along with your soulmate, roqqet. It would be rude of us not to note the racism you are so proud to display.

[4everwarriors]

Had RBG resigned, as she should have, during BO's presidency, today's event would not have taken place. So ultimately, the selfish, terminally ill justice, who was the guiding light for women's rights...fooked over women, aina?

[wadesworld]

Had RBG resigned, as she should have, during BO's presidency, today's event would not have taken place. So ultimately, the selfish, terminally ill justice, who was the guiding light for women's rights...fooked over women, aina?

Not really. Current Supreme Court justices who lied under oath during their swearing in fooked over all Americans today. Their job is to uphold the law, not play politics.

[JWags85]

I'm the left and I don't think that abortions should be any of the government's business.  Ziggy's access to genital wart medication isn't questioned, so why should a woman's choice to terminate a pregnancy be?  They're medical procedures and they're performed routinely all over the global north. 

If you want to draw the line 15 weeks that's fine, I guess, since there has to be a compromise.  I can be baby stepped to go to 15 weeks since that is a reasonable enough amount of time to know of the pregnancy and discuss all options.

I've always thought 15 was a good mark.  12 is the mark for a number of countries in Europe, but 15 is good enough.  I do struggle with the argument that it's just a clump of cells at that point. I remember our ultrasound appt well before 15, and there were heartbeats, and dimension measurements.  We knew the gender well before that mark.  You can already test for abnormalities.

Sure it's a fetus, not a baby, but it's not some nebulous cell arrangement.  So I've always hated that argument past 8-10 weeks.

Dicks, Alaska Airlines, and even Chase have already said they'd cover employee travel if their state bans abortions, which is pretty incredible

[MuggsyB]

I've always thought 15 was a good mark.  12 is the mark for a number of countries in Europe, but 15 is good enough.  I do struggle with the argument that it's just a clump of cells at that point. I remember our ultrasound appt well before 15, and there were heartbeats, and dimension measurements.  We knew the gender well before that mark.  You can already test for abnormalities.

Sure it's a fetus, not a baby, but it's not some nebulous cell arrangement.  So I've always hated that argument past 8-10 weeks.

Dicks, Alaska Airlines, and even Chase have already said they'd cover employee travel if their state bans abortions, which is pretty incredible

A significant majority agree with 15 weeks. 

[TSmith34, Inc.]

"In his opinion concurring with the Supreme Court's decision to overturn the constitutional right to abortion established in Roe v. Wade, Justice Clarence Thomas wrote that the high court should revisit all cases built on similar legal footing—including cases that guarantee the right to contraception, same-sex consensual sexual relations, and same-sex marriage.

All three cases—and numerous other landmark decisions—are built upon the right to substantive due process found in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments of the Constitution, which prohibit the government from depriving "any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=post;topic=63457.100;last_msg=1457054

Conveniently for Mr. Pubic Hair guy, the Loving decision has a different legal rationale.

[Uncle Rico]

"In his opinion concurring with the Supreme Court's decision to overturn the constitutional right to abortion established in Roe v. Wade, Justice Clarence Thomas wrote that the high court should revisit all cases built on similar legal footing—including cases that guarantee the right to contraception, same-sex consensual sexual relations, and same-sex marriage.

All three cases—and numerous other landmark decisions—are built upon the right to substantive due process found in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments of the Constitution, which prohibit the government from depriving "any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=post;topic=63457.100;last_msg=1457054

Conveniently for Mr. Pubic Hair guy, the Loving decision has a different legal rationale.

Quite convenient