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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #200 on: July 25, 2022, 10:46:41 AM »
1-2 of these types of games, sure. But scheduling all sub-275 teams hurts the resume in terms of Quadrant records, means you need to absolutely drub your opponents, and is providing a worse product for paying fans (less inventory and lower quality).

I don't think the expectation when playing teams projected in the 150-250 range at home should be a loss anyway, and 25 point wins are the minimum for these games to be a success, 30-40 point wins should be the goal, which is tough for a young team. In 2015-16, we played 6 teams that were 299th in RPI or worse and averaged exactly a 25-point win, though that was heavily offset by beating Grambling and Maine by a combined 83 points (55.3% of the margin in just two of the six games).

If this young team plays those four games at comfortable but inadequate 10-20 point margins, they will kill their NET early on and then, just like 2015-16, their NCAA hopes will basically be dashed by the end of December. If you play better opponents, there might be a little more risk, but you also don't have to win by 30. In the NET era, winning is no longer the measure of success. We've lost home non-con games to sub-100 teams twice in the past 15 years. Those were in Wojo's first two seasons (Nebraska-Omaha & Belmont) and I don't think we should live in fear of that happening when it is so infrequent.

Losses to bad teams that May be better than our young team early in the season kill your NET too. You can expect to win all day long, but the reality is those teams you want to play are generally older, more experienced squads that may give our youth trouble early on - even at home.

I’m fine with taking the safer scheduling route knowing we’ll have plenty of opportunities to excel in our challenging NC schedule as well as what will be a grind of a conference season.

Also buy games are buy games to 98% of fans. The majority of folks aren’t distinguishing grambling state from Vermont.

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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #201 on: July 25, 2022, 07:04:17 PM »
We're already cookin' up the "we're so young!" excuse?

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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #202 on: July 25, 2022, 10:28:04 PM »
We're already cookin' up the "we're so young!" excuse?

Talk about COLE SLAW!
if ND puts a 20 pt beat-down on us…yes, we’re young.
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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #203 on: July 25, 2022, 11:23:18 PM »
Look, we're going to be fine. All of you doubted Shaka last year (except for Goose) and we achieved way beyond expectation.

Don't be surprised if .....

... we finally win an NCAA game!

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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #204 on: July 26, 2022, 08:07:08 AM »
Look, we're going to be fine. All of you doubted Shaka last year (except for Goose) and we achieved way beyond expectation.

Don't be surprised if .....

... we finally win an NCAA game!

Yes, Goose was bullish on Shaka and Marquette going into last season but it's inaccurate to say he was the only one who didn't "doubt Shaka."

I'm too lazy to look it up but in the preseason poll, something like 20% of Scoopers expected Marquette to make the NCAA tournament. At least one Scooper predicted an Elite Eight run, and several had us going to the Sweet 16.

And at the end of the season, Goose actually was pretty critical of some of Shaka's coaching and disappointed with the result IIRC. Doesn't mean he's down on Shaka; he's still optimistic and I like that.

As for this season ... I expect us to play better and to have better results. I expect several of our heroes to improve significantly. It's reasonable to expect a program to show progress IMHO. I'm bullish on Shaka and MU hoops.

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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #205 on: July 26, 2022, 08:25:35 AM »
No excuses this year. This is Shaka's team and he has the entire offseason to get these guys ready. I think we have plenty of depth and we need a couple of guys to have breakout seasons. I'm sticking with Omax and believe Kam is ready to perform at a high level on a more consistent basis. We better win a game in the NCAA this year.

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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #206 on: July 26, 2022, 09:15:52 AM »
No excuses this year. This is Shaka's team and he has the entire offseason to get these guys ready. I think we have plenty of depth and we need a couple of guys to have breakout seasons. I'm sticking with Omax and believe Kam is ready to perform at a high level on a more consistent basis. We better win a game in the NCAA this year.

I'd also be grateful to not play a underseeded Final Four team in the first round this year.
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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #207 on: August 01, 2022, 12:09:15 PM »
@JonRothstein: The Big East and Big 12 have extended the Big East-Big 12-Battle by two years, through the 2024-25 season, per release. The event will increase to 11 matchups, starting in 23-24.

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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #208 on: August 01, 2022, 01:00:17 PM »
@JonRothstein: The Big East and Big 12 have extended the Big East-Big 12-Battle by two years, through the 2024-25 season, per release. The event will increase to 11 matchups, starting in 23-24.

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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #209 on: August 01, 2022, 02:08:32 PM »
Optimistic that the Big 12 will still be around.
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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #210 on: August 01, 2022, 02:16:52 PM »
Optimistic that the Big 12 will still be around.

We should hedge our bets and sign a deal with the Pac-12 while we're at it. Odds are at least one will survive.
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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #211 on: August 01, 2022, 02:50:32 PM »
Optimistic that the Big 12 will still be around.
For whatever its worth, the B12 maybe the most solid of the PAC12, ACC, BIG12 group and probably the best conference in basketball. Seems to be a good partner. 

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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #212 on: August 01, 2022, 02:55:06 PM »
Confirmed: Marquette playing kstate

 ;D  I was thinking the same thing.

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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #213 on: August 01, 2022, 03:19:36 PM »
No excuses this year. This is Shaka's team and he has the entire offseason to get these guys ready. I think we have plenty of depth and we need a couple of guys to have breakout seasons. I'm sticking with Omax and believe Kam is ready to perform at a high level on a more consistent basis. We better win a game in the NCAA this year.

What has it been; 10 years since our last NCAA win?

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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #214 on: August 01, 2022, 03:24:41 PM »
What has it been; 10 years since our last NCAA win?

It will be in March. As of today, our last win was 3,413 days ago. Not that anyone is counting.
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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #215 on: August 01, 2022, 03:32:10 PM »
Marquette vs Cincinnati (CUSA redux)

Marquette vs BYU (I don't know why it sounds interesting?)

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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #216 on: August 01, 2022, 03:37:35 PM »
With respect to the numerous weak teams in our buy games, do you think players get anything out of these likely noncompetitive matchups? I don't really see the situation helping guys get ready for quality opponents -  the difference in athleticism and defensive intensity is enormous.

We did OK last year vs. good teams so I'm willing to wait and see.

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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #217 on: August 01, 2022, 09:36:57 PM »
With respect to the numerous weak teams in our buy games, do you think players get anything out of these likely noncompetitive matchups? I don't really see the situation helping guys get ready for quality opponents -  the difference in athleticism and defensive intensity is enormous.

We did OK last year vs. good teams so I'm willing to wait and see.
It gives an opportunity for the young players who will not get much Big East time to see the court.

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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #218 on: August 01, 2022, 09:44:45 PM »
It gives an opportunity for the young players who will not get much Big East time to see the court.

Even if we RS one player, we will have one more active player this year than we did last year.

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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #219 on: August 02, 2022, 04:38:40 AM »
With respect to the numerous weak teams in our buy games, do you think players get anything out of these likely noncompetitive matchups? I don't really see the situation helping guys get ready for quality opponents -  the difference in athleticism and defensive intensity is enormous.

We did OK last year vs. good teams so I'm willing to wait and see.

Since every team schedules similarly, my guess is that coaches see some value in these types of games.
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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #220 on: August 03, 2022, 06:25:40 PM »
When they brought in a crap non-con slate in 2015-16, I panned it. They largely missed the postseason because of it. Not saying a tougher schedule would've got them the NCAA bid admin told the team they expected (according to Duane Wilson) but they probably at least make the NIT.

When they trimmed down on cupcakes and added quality buys like Fresno, Vermont, Buffalo, and North Dakota State, I praised it, and we were on track for our fourth consecutive postseason trip when the pandemic hit.

Now we're playing the worst non-con since 2015-16 and the combination of maximum garbage buy games coupled with a similarly weak MTE and the only quality games being the ones Marquette has no control over is irritating to me.

Since Buzz left, when we schedule garbage, we finish with garbage results. When we schedule with confidence, we do well. I don't care about what any other fan thinks. I know garbage when I see it, and MU served STHs a massive steaming plate of it.

Considering my costs don't change with reduced inventory and quality, I'm displeased. If you want to celebrate the Battle assigning us Baylor and the annual UWM game being at home, I guess, but in terms of what MARQUETTE actually did, it's crap, and I'm going to acknowledge that.

I must’ve missed Duane Wilson saying that about the Admin expecting the team to make the tourney.  When did he say that?

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« Reply #221 on: August 03, 2022, 08:38:27 PM »
I must’ve missed Duane Wilson saying that about the Admin expecting the team to make the tourney.  When did he say that?
I think we all missed that one if true.

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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #222 on: August 03, 2022, 09:45:53 PM »
I must’ve missed Duane Wilson saying that about the Admin expecting the team to make the tourney.  When did he say that?

It was on a podcast, I think either The Igloo or Real Chilly.
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Re: 2022-23 Non-Con Schedule
« Reply #223 on: August 03, 2022, 09:55:33 PM »
It was on a podcast, I think either The Igloo or Real Chilly.

https://youtu.be/S104RfFikG4

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« Reply #224 on: August 04, 2022, 06:02:42 AM »
https://youtu.be/S104RfFikG4

Was actually this one: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-igloo/id1477715688?i=1000510831224

They start talking about 2015-16 at 42:16. Then at 1:02:20 Timmy Ice asks if they thought they were NIT locks and Wilson says "We knew we had to win one more game to get into the Tournament Tournament. We didn't even think about it, we for sure gonna get NIT."

It's a little unclear if the "one more game" was the St John's game they won or if they thought they needed one more (would've been Nova), but anyone letting that team think they were close to the NCAA Tournament or a NIT lock was lying or delusional.
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