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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: brewcity77 on April 05, 2022, 08:41:39 PM
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Radford will be the opener on November 7. I'll update the opening post later.
- November 7: Radford (H)
- November 10: Central Michigan (H - Al McGuire Center)
- November 15: Purdue (A)
- November 17: LIU-Brooklyn (H)
- November 21: Mississippi State (N)
- November 23: Georgia Tech/Utah (N)
- November 26: Chicago State (H)
- November 29: Baylor (H)
- December 3: Wisconsin (H)
- December 6: NC Central (H)
- December 11: Notre Dame (A)
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I see the date changed to start the season. Was going to be Nov 9th after election day.
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Radford will be the opener on November 7. I'll update the opening post later.
- November 7: Radford (H)
- November 21: Georgia Tech/Mississippi State/Utah (N)
- November 23: Georgia Tech/Mississippi State/Utah (N)
- TBD: Notre Dame (A)
- TBD: Wisconsin (H) **Possibly Dec 3**
- TBD: Likely Gavitt Big 10 (A)
- TBD: Likely Big 12 Challenge (H)
Isn't the ND game at home in 22-23 and away in 23-24?
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Isn't the ND game at home in 22-23 and away in 23-24?
They swapped
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They swapped
Hadn't seen that mentioned anywhere. Thanks.
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Radford will be the opener on November 7. I'll update the opening post later.
- November 7: Radford (H)
- November 21: Georgia Tech/Mississippi State/Utah (N)
- November 23: Georgia Tech/Mississippi State/Utah (N)
- TBD: Notre Dame (A)
- TBD: Wisconsin (H) **Possibly Dec 3**
- TBD: Likely Gavitt Big 10 (A)
- TBD: Likely Big 12 Challenge (H)
Way too early rankings (on torvik)
Radford (H) 290th
Georgia Tech 123rd
Mississippi State 37th (Before transfers out)
Utah 119th
Notre Dame 50th
Wisconsin 62nd
Likely Gavitt Big 10 (A) (Michigan State is the only B10 school with 2 appearances in it.)
Likely Big 12 Challenge (H)
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They swapped
This is correct, I know Andrei from Paint Touches mentioned it and his source is bulletproof on this. Personally, I'm hoping this means we end up with a long-term ND series alternating with Wisconsin, but that might just be wishful thinking.
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This is correct, I know Andrei from Paint Touches mentioned it and his source is bulletproof on this. Personally, I'm hoping this means we end up with a long-term ND series alternating with Wisconsin, but that might just be wishful thinking.
I think it might mean we don't have a road gavitt game, and the team wants one road game.
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I think it might mean we don't have a road gavitt game, and the team wants one road game.
I talked to Andrei after he got that info and I don't think that's the case. Sounds like they are preparing like they will have a Gavitt. As far as the contract goes, there are two more years on the original deal (extended one year since 2020 was cancelled). That leaves 16 games to fill. Butler, Georgetown, Villanova, and Xavier have to be in both editions (8 games) while Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall, and St. John's each need at least one more appearance (4 games). I expect those 8 teams will all be in the games this year to make sure the contract is met. Then in 2023, they can have the first four and any four they choose after that.
On the Big 10 side, Michigan State is the only team who should be required to play each of the next two years (2 games). Iowa, Maryland, Minnesota, Northwestern, Penn State, and Purdue all need one more appearance (6 games). If all of those appear this year, it would mean only Michigan State has to play in 2023.
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Dec 11th @ Notre Dame
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Dec 11th @ Notre Dame
Interesting. That's a Sunday.
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Dec 11th @ Notre Dame
Added to the OP. Now fully expecting Wisconsin to be December 3.
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Looks like a weekend in South Bend is on the schedule. Cannot wait.
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Marquette host Baylor in Big12 BigEast
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Marquette host Baylor in Big12 BigEast
Whoa...that will be fun!
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Creighton at Texas
OU at Villanova
Baylor at Marquette
PC at TCU
Oklahoma St at UConn
St. John's at Iowa State
WVU at Xavier
Gtown at TT
SHU at Kansas
Kansas St at Butler
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Outstanding!!
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That’s a good pull. Will be good to see a national championship head coach other than Jay Wright bring his team to Fiserv
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Tuesday, Nov. 29th.
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That’s going to be a fun one!
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Creighton at Texas
OU at Villanova
Baylor at Marquette
PC at TCU
Oklahoma St at UConn
St. John's at Iowa State
WVU at Xavier
Gtown at TT
SHU at Kansas
Kansas St at Butler
And DePaul is the one left out..............
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I was hoping for K-State for the 14th straight year!
Seriously, love that we get Baylor at home. Hope Shaka has our heroes ready!
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Tuesday, Nov. 29th.
Same day as US Iran in the World Cup.
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Boy thats gonna be a tough one. But I like it.
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Same day as US Iran in the World Cup.
Darn, I'll be missing the World Cup again. I think that will be 60 years in a row now.
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Same day as US Iran in the World Cup.
The US made it to the World Cup this time?
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Same day as US Iran in the World Cup.
WC games will be early morning-afternoon.
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OP updated with the Baylor game. Massive add. Hopefully none of the games have USA World Cup complications, it seems like Marquette has a knack for scheduling games on critical USMNT gamedays. All the kick times are 1:00 pm on weekdays, so hopefully it won't overlap.
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Awesome!!
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OP updated with the Baylor game. Massive add. Hopefully none of the games have USA World Cup complications, it seems like Marquette has a knack for scheduling games on critical USMNT gamedays. All the kick times are 1:00 pm on weekdays, so hopefully it won't overlap.
I know. Every four years there's a MU game at the same time as a USNMT World Cup game. When will they learn?
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I know. Every four years there's a MU game at the same time as a USNMT World Cup game. When will they learn?
This will actually be the first time the World Cup has ever overlapped with Marquette's season. There are numerous critical matches outside the World Cup Finals that occur at the same time.
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I know. Every four years there's a MU game at the same time as a USNMT World Cup game. When will they learn?
Well, every 4 years, if we make the World Cup.
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I know. Every four years there's a MU game at the same time as a USNMT World Cup game. When will they learn?
So why did the Villanova MU game start at 9pm this season ?
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Well, every 4 years, if we make the World Cup.
The US has missed one World Cup in the past 32 years. And I feel completely confident, with absolutely zero doubt, saying the US will not miss another World Cup in my lifetime.
Unless of course we are held out for human rights abuses, like Russia this year. Which I suppose is becoming more likely by the year. But in terms of competitive exclusion, it will never happen again.
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The US has missed one World Cup in the past 32 years. And I feel completely confident, with absolutely zero doubt, saying the US will not miss another World Cup in my lifetime.
Unless of course we are held out for human rights abuses, like Russia this year. Which I suppose is becoming more likely by the year. But in terms of competitive exclusion, it will never happen again.
We're definitely safe in 2026 !
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We're definitely safe in 2026 !
Even beyond, the expansion to 48 guarantees 6 CONCACAF spots in the Final. Just qualifying for the Hex would've seen them safe in 2018 and as a bonus they would've qualified in a 48-team field all the way back in 1986 based on CONCACAF Championship standings from 1985.
In addition, future qualification will likely allow us to avoid Mexico completely. It's never going to be a competitive problem again.
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Even beyond, the expansion to 48 guarantees 6 CONCACAF spots in the Final. Just qualifying for the Hex would've seen them safe in 2018 and as a bonus they would've qualified in a 48-team field all the way back in 1986 based on CONCACAF Championship standings from 1985.
In addition, future qualification will likely allow us to avoid Mexico completely. It's never going to be a competitive problem again.
Which is hella lame. I want US in every World Cup. But not if we suck regionally.
Looks like I’ll be wicked hammered for the Baylor game. US Iran, followed up by a match up with a potential top 5 team
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Even beyond, the expansion to 48 guarantees 6 CONCACAF spots in the Final. Just qualifying for the Hex would've seen them safe in 2018 and as a bonus they would've qualified in a 48-team field all the way back in 1986 based on CONCACAF Championship standings from 1985.
In addition, future qualification will likely allow us to avoid Mexico completely. It's never going to be a competitive problem again.
Yep - I'll be wildly disappointed/angry to not qualify after 2026. It'll be a cake walk.
Still disappointing to not qualify in 18, but it happens.
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The US has missed one World Cup in the past 32 years. And I feel completely confident, with absolutely zero doubt, saying the US will not miss another World Cup in my lifetime.
Unless of course we are held out for human rights abuses, like Russia this year. Which I suppose is becoming more likely by the year. But in terms of competitive exclusion, it will never happen again.
We weren't held out for vietnam. We weren't held out for kidnaping and Abu Ghraib torture that started after 2002. Unless the US is starting a land war in Europe within the next 50 years. I think we wont be excluded for human rights abuses.
You could argue for wire tapping, but 1. it doesn't feel like people are as worked up with it as they should be and 2. The supreme court is about to "correctly" affirm that there are no privacy protections in their abortion case later this summer.
(i say correctly because technically we don't have privacy rights, pnumbras are BS, no matter how Pro Choice i am. I think congress needs to actually pass a privacy amendment.)
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Hey folks, take it to the nonexistent world cup superbar thread.
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Unless of course we are held out for human rights abuses, like Russia this year. Which I suppose is becoming more likely by the year. But in terms of competitive exclusion, it will never happen again.
If what's been happing in Chicago for years doesn't keep us out, nothing will.
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Watching the Bears does qualify as a human rights violation.
(says the Lions fan)
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"Source: Wisconsin and Kansas State are in discussion to play in what has been dubbed the Brew City Battle at American Family Field, home of the MLB’s Milwaukee Brewers, on November 11th."
Having Marquette play Wisconsin ever year at Miller Park would be cool. 50,000+ seats and both teams would be able to have full crowds. Universities would miss out, but It'd be quite the atmosphere.
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"Source: Wisconsin and Kansas State are in discussion to play in what has been dubbed the Brew City Battle at American Family Field, home of the MLB’s Milwaukee Brewers, on November 11th."
A Friday night? I doubt that does well.
Having Marquette play Wisconsin ever year at Miller Park would be cool. 50,000+ seats and both teams would be able to have full crowds. Universities would miss out, but It'd be quite the atmosphere.
No thanks. I would much rather have the rotation between the home sites on real basketball courts with hostile crowds. That's a much better atmosphere for college basketball than a game in a cavernous baseball stadium.
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A Friday night? I doubt that does well.
No thanks. I would much rather have the rotation between the home sites on real basketball courts with hostile crowds. That's a much better atmosphere for college basketball than a game in a cavernous baseball stadium.
You don't think 50,000 people with 2 full student sections and alcohol sales would be hostile?
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You don't think 50,000 people with 2 full student sections and alcohol sales would be hostile?
On a baseball diamond. Not at all
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You don't think 50,000 people with 2 full student sections and alcohol sales would be hostile?
A basketball game at AFF sounds awful to me. The Final four game at the Super Dome was even way too far away to be very enjoyable.
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You don't think 50,000 people with 2 full student sections and alcohol sales would be hostile?
Not even a little bit. I also question whether or not "50,000 people with two full student sections" would even be sustainable after a year or two after the novelty wears off.
Play them in the arenas where they belong.
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A Friday night? I doubt that does well.
No thanks. I would much rather have the rotation between the home sites on real basketball courts with hostile crowds. That's a much better atmosphere for college basketball than a game in a cavernous baseball stadium.
Exactly.
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On a baseball diamond. Not at all
How so?
Have you seen their concert set ups? They'd fill that place and have dueling student sections.
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How so?
Have you seen their concert set ups? They'd fill that place and have dueling student sections.
You think a concert is similar to a basketball game?
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Isn't part of the problem of playing basketball games at Miller Park that they can only heat the stadium up like 15 degrees higher than the outside temperature? I don't know the exact numbers, but going to baseball games in April or September at Miller Park was still pretty cold, even with everything closed up.
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You think a concert is similar to a basketball game?
I agree that it won't happen but are you concerned with filling the place?
There are almost 60,000 students alone between the 2 universities. Not to mention the easy access for the smaller Marquette fanbase. I think it'd be an easy sell to fans. Hard sell for the Universities.
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When Miller Park was built they talked about stuff like this. If I recall, and it's been 25 years, from an engineering standpoint, with the roof closed they can only heat the place to about 25 degrees higher than the outside air temperature. So if they try and pull this off, it would have to be an early November game and it would almost have to ba day game.
On November 11 in Wisconsin, there are days and nights when the outside temperature doesn't get over 20 degrees, so roughly 45 inside. Can't do it, IMO.
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I agree that it won't happen but are you concerned with filling the place?
There are almost 60,000 students alone between the 2 universities. Not to mention the easy access for the smaller Marquette fanbase. I think it'd be an easy sell to fans. Hard sell for the Universities.
I think after a couple of years, it will be hard to fill the place yes. The novelty will wear off and people will realize its easier to watch the game at home on television.
I mean, you honestly think you'd have a bunch of UW students trucking down to Milwaukee to watch this every year?
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A basketball game at AFF sounds awful to me. The Final four game at the Super Dome was even way too far away to be very enjoyable.
Basketball games in facilities designed for football are terrible. agreed.
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"Source: Wisconsin and Kansas State are in di
scussion to play in what has been dubbed the Brew City Battle at American Family Field, home of the MLB’s Milwaukee Brewers, on November 11th."
Having Marquette play Wisconsin ever year at Miller Park would be cool. 50,000+ seats and both teams would be able to have full crowds. Universities would miss out, but It'd be quite the atmosphere.
Were you one of the guys back in about 2007, when there was all sorts of bitching and moaning about re-starting the UWM series at the Bradley Center, who assured everyone that people in Milwaukee would line up for days ahead of time, around the corner and down the block to buy tickets to those games. When in fact I think the top attendance was 15, 000, and by year 5 was drawing about 12,000.
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They should rotate between AmFam and Lambeau. Can you imagine the snowball fights between the two student sections? It would be epic.
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Were you one of the guys back in about 2007, when there was all sorts of bitching and moaning about re-starting the UWM series at the Bradley Center, who assured everyone that people in Milwaukee would line up for days ahead of time, around the corner and down the block to buy tickets to those games. When in fact I think the top attendance was 15, 000, and by year 5 was drawing about 12,000.
I was not.
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Were you one of the guys back in about 2007, when there was all sorts of bitching and moaning about re-starting the UWM series at the Bradley Center, who assured everyone that people in Milwaukee would line up for days ahead of time, around the corner and down the block to buy tickets to those games. When in fact I think the top attendance was 15, 000, and by year 5 was drawing about 12,000.
When we played the one game at Mecca, they didn't even sell it out. Small building and while it was well-attended, there were some empty seats.
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I'd only favor playing inside the Brewers' ballpark if they'd bring an aircraft carrier inside and put the court on deck.
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If they're going to all the trouble and expense of in effect retro-fitting American Family Field for one day of college basketball, you would think they would schedule a doubleheader with Marquette playing someone in the other game. How about a Veterans Day Friday tripleheader with UWM playing someone at 3:00 pm; Wisconsin playing K-State at 5:30 pm; and Marquette hosting someone at 8:00 pm.
I mean if you're going to try and pull this off, you might as well go big.
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If they're going to all the trouble and expense of in effect retro-fitting American Family Field for one day of college basketball, you would think they would schedule a doubleheader with Marquette playing someone in the other game. How about a Veterans Day Friday tripleheader with UWM playing someone at 3:00 pm; Wisconsin playing K-State at 5:30 pm; and Marquette hosting someone at 8:00 pm.
I mean if you're going to try and pull this off, you might as well go big.
I wouldn't want to give up the home game.
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I'd only favor playing inside the Brewers' ballpark if they'd bring an aircraft carrier inside and put the court on deck.
/endorse
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D-1 a year and Minnesota’s St Thomas already thinking that MU will travel to play them in a road game because it would be in the Target Center.
https://news.yahoo.com/reusse-d-st-thomas-athletics-232900091.html
Nice of them to dream big, but they don’t think it’s dream.
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D-1 a year and Minnesota’s St Thomas already thinking that MU will travel to play them in a road game because it would be in the Target Center.
https://news.yahoo.com/reusse-d-st-thomas-athletics-232900091.html
Nice of them to dream big, but they don’t think it’s dream.
This has been one of the more delusional transitions to D1 that I have seen for awhile.
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D-1 a year and Minnesota’s St Thomas already thinking that MU will travel to play them in a road game because it would be in the Target Center.
https://news.yahoo.com/reusse-d-st-thomas-athletics-232900091.html
Nice of them to dream big, but they don’t think it’s dream.
I talked to someone near their program 12 months ago. They thought they would land a top 100 recruit this year. I am not kidding.
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This has been one of the more delusional transitions to D1 that I have seen for awhile.
Didn’t they say something about being in the Big East in the not too distant future?
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Didn’t they say something about being in the Big East in the bit too distant future?
Yeah. I wonder if their D3 success had made them blind to how tough this climb is going to be. They aren't beating up on Gustavus Adolphus and St. Olaf any longer.
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When the Tommies beat Alabama for the national football championship, will they limit their victory parade to St. Paul, or will it weave through all of the Twin Cities?
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I talked to someone near their program 12 months ago. They thought they would land a top 100 recruit this year. I am not kidding.
Neither were they:
https://www.twincities.com/2021/09/14/st-thomas-mens-basketball-lands-top-100-commit-ahjany-lee/
(https://www.twincities.com/2021/09/14/st-thomas-mens-basketball-lands-top-100-commit-ahjany-lee/)
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Neither were they:
https://www.twincities.com/2021/09/14/st-thomas-mens-basketball-lands-top-100-commit-ahjany-lee/
(https://www.twincities.com/2021/09/14/st-thomas-mens-basketball-lands-top-100-commit-ahjany-lee/)
Great. Now Shaka's being out-recruited by the Tommies. Fire his azz!
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Neither were they:
https://www.twincities.com/2021/09/14/st-thomas-mens-basketball-lands-top-100-commit-ahjany-lee/
(https://www.twincities.com/2021/09/14/st-thomas-mens-basketball-lands-top-100-commit-ahjany-lee/)
He was ranked top 100 in 2021 before he committed. He was not in the top 100 when he actually did commit, and is not in the top 200 currently.
https://247sports.com/PlayerSport/Ahjany-Lee-at-Byron-Senior-263675/RecruitRankHistory/
We will see how this pans out.
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He was ranked top 100 in 2021 before he committed. He was not in the top 100 when he actually did commit, and is not in the top 200 currently.
https://247sports.com/PlayerSport/Ahjany-Lee-at-Byron-Senior-263675/RecruitRankHistory/
We will see how this pans out.
Phew! Now Shaka's NOT being out-recruited by the Tommies. Extend his azz!
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Phew! Now Shaka's NOT being out-recruited by the Tommies. Extend his azz!
More like Shaka Dum, copyright Wanky Worrier
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He was ranked top 100 in 2021 before he committed. He was not in the top 100 when he actually did commit, and is not in the top 200 currently.
https://247sports.com/PlayerSport/Ahjany-Lee-at-Byron-Senior-263675/RecruitRankHistory/
We will see how this pans out.
247sports shows him with an offer from Kansas. This recruiting info is suspect?
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247sports shows him with an offer from Kansas. This recruiting info is suspect?
I really don't think "offers," especially during COVID times, are worth all the much without follow up.
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247sports shows him with an offer from Kansas. This recruiting info is suspect?
Maybe he got the reverse Ochai Agbaji treatment. Before committing to Kansas, Agbaji was ranked #308 in the 247 Composite. After he committed, he shot up to #122. Perhaps by not committing to Kansas, they dropped him from #99 to outside the top-200. Gotta take that KU offer when it's there, I guess.
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Maybe he got the reverse Ochai Agbaji treatment. Before committing to Kansas, Agbaji was ranked #308 in the 247 Composite. After he committed, he shot up to #122. Perhaps by not committing to Kansas, they dropped him from #99 to outside the top-200. Gotta take that KU offer when it's there, I guess.
Explains why Ners went from top-10 to out of the top 10,000.
That dunk got him an offer from KU, but then he thought he could do better ... and ended up getting schooled at Helfaer!
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@RoccoMiller8:
NEWS:
The 2022 Fort Myers Tip-Off Palms Division is here.
South Dakota
LIU Brooklyn
Northern Illinois
Sam Houston
Per Torvik (which has next season's projections)...
South Dakota: 150
LIU Brooklyn: 293
Northern Illinois: 264
Sam Houston: 98 (!)
Marquette will likely be playing 1-2 of these teams at home. Hoping for South Dakota and Sam Houston.
EDIT: Per article, Marquette hosts LIU-Brooklyn on November 17th. :(
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LIU at mU 11/17 aina
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@RoccoMiller8:
NEWS:
The 2022 Fort Myers Tip-Off Palms Division is here.
South Dakota
LIU Brooklyn
Northern Illinois
Sam Houston
Per Torvik (which has next season's projections)...
South Dakota: 150
LIU Brooklyn: 293
Northern Illinois: 264
Sam Houston: 98 (!)
Marquette will likely be playing 1-2 of these teams at home. Hoping for South Dakota and Sam Houston.
Ranges on hoop explorer
South Dakota: 259- 216- 171
LIU Brooklyn: 330- 305-272
Northern Illinois: 288-243-207
Sam Houston: 218-174-133
Just avoid LIU. And of course we get them.
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@RoccoMiller8:
NEWS:
The 2022 Fort Myers Tip-Off Palms Division is here.
South Dakota
LIU Brooklyn
Northern Illinois
Sam Houston
Per Torvik (which has next season's projections)...
South Dakota: 150
LIU Brooklyn: 293
Northern Illinois: 264
Sam Houston: 98 (!)
Marquette will likely be playing 1-2 of these teams at home. Hoping for South Dakota and Sam Houston.
EDIT: Per article, Marquette hosts LIU-Brooklyn on November 17th. :(
Aren’t the ratings less relevant with NET? Even the 98 would be a Q3 win since it would be a home game.
As long as we dominate LIU-Brooklyn, it doesn’t matter much.
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Aren’t the ratings less relevant with NET? Even the 98 would be a Q3 win since it would be a home game.
As long as we dominate LIU-Brooklyn, it doesn’t matter much.
They are less relevant. SOS comes into play only if things are really tight between two teams. Beat them by 40 and it's all good. It really only makes a difference if it's a Q2/Q3 game. But I'd much rather get the potential Q2 game than the near certain Q4.
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@RoccoMiller8:
NEWS:
The 2022 Fort Myers Tip-Off Palms Division is here.
South Dakota
LIU Brooklyn
Northern Illinois
Sam Houston
Per Torvik (which has next season's projections)...
South Dakota: 150
LIU Brooklyn: 293
Northern Illinois: 264
Sam Houston: 98 (!)
Marquette will likely be playing 1-2 of these teams at home. Hoping for South Dakota and Sam Houston.
EDIT: Per article, Marquette hosts LIU-Brooklyn on November 17th. :(
Just a nit on the tweet, LIU Brooklyn doesn't exist anymore in basketball. It is just LIU, and is actually a combination of two schools, LIU-Brooklyn and LIU-Post. The two schools combined their athletics last season as a cost cutting measure.
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Just a nit on the tweet, LIU Brooklyn doesn't exist anymore in basketball. It is just LIU, and is actually a combination of two schools, LIU-Brooklyn and LIU-Post. The two schools combined their athletics last season as a cost cutting measure.
Either way, they're LIU-sers!
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LIU at mU 11/17 aina
Interesting. Packers scheduled to play the same (Thursday) night. It's also a Gold Package game (i.e. Milwaukee season ticket holders). Wonder if this game might get a date change or start at a "weird" time (5pm?).
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Interesting. Packers scheduled to play the same (Thursday) night. Wonder if this game might get a date change or start at a "weird" time (5pm?).
hopefully the NFL does move the Packers game. That would seem reasonable. No doubt Aaron Rodgers would consider MU-LIU must see live.
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Just a nit on the tweet, LIU Brooklyn doesn't exist anymore in basketball. It is just LIU, and is actually a combination of two schools, LIU-Brooklyn and LIU-Post. The two schools combined their athletics last season as a cost cutting measure.
Isn't Mrs. TAMU an LIU grad? Is this going to be a difficult day in the TAMU household?
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Isn't Mrs. TAMU an LIU grad? Is this going to be a difficult day in the TAMU household?
She is a former Pioneer (now the Sharks). When I told her the good news she just burst out laughing.
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Purdue...again.
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1541573052445622272?s=21&t=9mrqy85kssIhmJ-35gsdeg
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Purdue...again.
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1541573052445622272?s=21&t=9mrqy85kssIhmJ-35gsdeg
We GOWNE
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Purdue...again.
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1541573052445622272?s=21&t=9mrqy85kssIhmJ-35gsdeg
Kinda glad this is ending after this year.
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Kinda glad this is ending after this year.
Yeah, it’s been a dud
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Purdue...again.
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1541573052445622272?s=21&t=9mrqy85kssIhmJ-35gsdeg
Wonder if they’ll have any really tall guys this year.
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Minnesota would have been fun, but I'm really excited to go to Mackey. Really fun schedule this year and some doable non-conference travel opportunities.
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Purdue...again.
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1541573052445622272?s=21&t=9mrqy85kssIhmJ-35gsdeg
Wow. Didn't expect that.
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In unexciting news Central Michigan on November 10th
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1542161196182290432?s=20&t=OCQ7Myv__2zvdGk27Z2cTg
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How can MU be playing Purdue AGAIN ?
( they have only played Iowa, Purdue and ILL , correct? ). What a joke.
Why not MICH, or MSU or MINN … or even Nebraska ffs
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How can MU be playing Purdue AGAIN ?
( they have only played Iowa, Purdue and ILL , correct? ). What a joke.
Why not MICH, or MSU or MINN … or even Nebraska ffs
Also played at Indiana, but I understand wanting to forget that one.
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How can MU be playing Purdue AGAIN ?
( they have only played Iowa, Purdue and ILL , correct? ). What a joke.
Why not MICH, or MSU or MINN … or even Nebraska ffs
When is the last time you were happy?
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In unexciting news Central Michigan on November 10th
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1542161196182290432?s=20&t=OCQ7Myv__2zvdGk27Z2cTg
There are definitely more low quality buy games on the schedule than I personally care for. I’m fine with these but they are too important from a metrics standpoint to use as “teaching” games. MU needs to step on the throat and win them all by 30+ if at all possible. Our lack of dominance in buy games has almost come back to cost us recently as dumb as that is.
As far as the Purdue game is concerned, it’s a joke from the perspective of the challenge. Less than zero effort was put into it making the matchups. However, Purdue is a great non-con opponent and it will be a good experience for the team to play at Mackey Arena. I’m very excited for that game already.
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There are definitely more low quality buy games on the schedule than I personally care for.
I think there are three at the moment (LIU, CMU, Radford). I assume we will end up adding 2 or 3 more but at this point it's not a high amount.
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I think there are three at the moment (LIU, CMU, Radford). I assume we will end up adding 2 or 3 more but at this point it's not a high amount.
The issue with the buy games is non of them are above average, and the tournament stuck us with LIU which is horrendous.
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The issue with the buy games is non of them are above average, and the tournament stuck us with LIU which is horrendous.
True, but as long as we beat them by an appropriate amount we won't get dinged on our tournament metrics. For me, watching a 20 point drubbing of Illinois State isn't substantially more enjoyable than watching a 30 point drubbing of LIU.
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Minnesota would have been fun, but I'm really excited to go to Mackey. Really fun schedule this year and some doable non-conference travel opportunities.
Silly that we never draw MN in the Gavitt Games
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The issue with the buy games is non of them are above average, and the tournament stuck us with LIU which is horrendous.
and LIU just fired their coach today and hired Rod Strickland.
Silly that we never draw MN in the Gavitt Games
Minnesota, Iowa, and Illinois. But, we could be St. John's who has Nebraska once again.
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Hoping for one big buy game. Not necessarily Buffalo or Vermont, but at least North Dakota State/Fresno State level. Beat the dregs by 30+, get one Q3 and we're fine.
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I think there are three at the moment (LIU, CMU, Radford). I assume we will end up adding 2 or 3 more but at this point it's not a high amount.
Yeah, I guess that’s not bad at all. I thought there was more. I was checking the old schedules and saw in 2006-2007 MU had 11 buy games which also does not count a road game at Valpo. That is a brutal schedule.
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Hoping for one big buy game. Not necessarily Buffalo or Vermont, but at least North Dakota State/Fresno State level. Beat the dregs by 30+, get one Q3 and we're fine.
Q3? we already have Utah on the schedule.
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Q3? we already have Utah on the schedule.
Sure, but I think a Q3 buy game should be a minimum goal every year. Better would be all Q3, but that's pricey, so I'll be happy with one.
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We have a lot of hard games on the non conference schedule. I would prefer some straight up cup cakes , where we can get a high deficiency win, to give the younger guys some minutes. If the cupcake as a q3
That would be icing on the cake
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Tower … take a pill. I mean , really what is your problem?
Are you glad to see them play Purdue year after year after year ?
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Tower … take a pill. I mean , really what is your problem?
Are you glad to see them play Purdue year after year after year ?
Weve played them twice since the 70s.
Is it great that the Gavitt has put us with Purdue 3 times since 2017 rather than playing different teams each time? No, not most ideal.
But better than being the Gophers who in the ACC and Gavitt routine get the same bottom dwellers.
At least we get quality opponents consistently.
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Hoping for one big buy game. Not necessarily Buffalo or Vermont, but at least North Dakota State/Fresno State level. Beat the dregs by 30+, get one Q3 and we're fine.
I'd like to see us pay Vermont since it would be good for inter -family discussion. ☺️
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It’s both hilarious and sad that people pine for Minnesota.
The Gophers are the the SLU / Dayton of the Big Ten.
We’re Marquette, we should be pining for Michigan or Michigan State. Why would we ever want to play Minnesota. Give me Sparty or give me death.
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Tower … take a pill. I mean , really what is your problem?
Are you glad to see them play Purdue year after year after year ?
It was Illinois last year, Mr. Happy go lucky. MU played Purdue in '17 and '19. The two teams have split. I am glad to see MU play against any big name school in the non-conference season.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavitt_Tipoff_Games
MU's record and opponents.
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Fanta confirmed November 15th for Purdue.
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I'd like to see us pay Vermont since it would be good for inter -family discussion. ☺️
Feel the same way about the Salukis!
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I’m glad to have MU play any quality opponents. Absolutely. I’d just like some variety…. MICH , MSU … even
N western.
And … MU should generally schedule at
least one big 10 / 14 / 16 school per year ( not counting UW ).
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Radford will be the opener on November 7. I'll update the opening post later.
- November 7: Radford (H)
- November 10: Central Michigan (H)
- November 15: Purdue (A)
- November 17: LIU-Brooklyn (H)
- November 21: Georgia Tech/Mississippi State/Utah (N)
- November 23: Georgia Tech/Mississippi State/Utah (N)
- November 29: Baylor (H)
- December 11: Notre Dame (A)
- TBD: Wisconsin (H) **Likely Dec 3rd**
Brew, is the expecation that 2 more buy games will be added?
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Brew, is the expecation that 2 more buy games will be added?
That's my personal expectation. With Bucky, ND, Purdue, and Baylor on the schedule, I don't see another home-and-home nor marquee neutral site game. But as the buy games are pretty soft, I'm hoping for at least one higher quality buy game. Historically, that was the trend under Wojo, and Shaka usually brought in multiple top-200 buy game opponents at Texas.
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That's my personal expectation. With Bucky, ND, Purdue, and Baylor on the schedule, I don't see another home-and-home nor marquee neutral site game. But as the buy games are pretty soft, I'm hoping for at least one higher quality buy game. Historically, that was the trend under Wojo, and Shaka usually brought in multiple top-200 buy game opponents at Texas.
Historically we would lose a few of those buy games under wojo ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Historically we would lose a few of those buy games under wojo ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Not really. Historically we were usually good for about one blowout loss to a high major per year under Wojo (Iowa, I4, Maryland etc.), but the only two "buy" games we ever lost under him were Omaha in the third game of his career, and Belmont, which historically is one of the better "buy" games available. Wojo's problem was that his record in March was very subpar, he was usually fine for most of Nov-Dec.
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Buzz and Crean lost buy games, too. Annoyingly, it happens.
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Silly that we never draw MN in the Gavitt Games
Agree, but I think recent events have shown that the B1G really doesn't give a crap about geographic rivalries.
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Good point. MU could face UCLA/USC in the Gavitt games.
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Not really. Historically we were usually good for about one blowout loss to a high major per year under Wojo (Iowa, I4, Maryland etc.), but the only two "buy" games we ever lost under him were Omaha in the third game of his career, and Belmont, which historically is one of the better "buy" games available. Wojo's problem was that his record in March was very subpar, he was usually fine for most of Nov-Dec.
And technically, Omaha was the only true buy game he lost. Belmont was the campus game for the Legends Classic.
Buzz and Crean lost buy games, too. Annoyingly, it happens.
Buzz didn't, at least not here. He did lose the Green Bay game, but that was at the Resch Center. Buzz was an impressive 43-4 in home non-con games. His losses were NC State, Wisconsin, Vanderbilt, and Ohio State.
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I love when Brew announces MU's OOC schedule a few months before Marquette does.
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@JonRothstein: "NEWS: Marquette will play Mississippi State and Georgia Tech will face Utah in the first round of the 2022 Fort Myers Tip-Off, according to a source."
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Looking at the calendar, here's what I expect:
- Nov 26-27: Buy game, we typically host a game over Thanksgiving weekend
- Dec 6-8: Buy game, possibly two that week if we don't play Thanksgiving weekend.
- Dec 12-16: Finals week, no games
- Dec 17: Big East opening game
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Per Rothstein, NC Central added to the home schedule. Pretty regular contender in the MEAC, but not exactly a high-quality mid-major game.
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I was looking at the Maui invite field for next year and forgot that Purdue is in it also. I’d be willing to bet big money we end up playing them first round
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Per Rothstein, NC Central added to the home schedule. Pretty regular contender in the MEAC, but not exactly a high-quality mid-major game.
Many UNC players take some of their class at NC Central so we can just call the game UNC lite….
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Many UNC players take some of their class at NC Central so we can just call the game UNC lite….
I now question if NC Central is a real school.
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I now question if NC Central is a real school.
John Grisham wrote a basketball novel last year called "Sooley," about a Sudanese kid who leaves his war-torn country to play at NC Central.
The basketball scenes were like "Hoosiers" on steroids -- Sooley not only makes about 90% of his shots but they all come from 30 feet away (except for the highlight-reel dunks). So that stuff was fictional ... but NC Central does actually exist. (I think.)
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John Grisham wrote a basketball novel last year called "Sooley," about a Sudanese kid who leaves his war-torn country to play at NC Central.
The basketball scenes were like "Hoosiers" on steroids -- Sooley not only makes about 90% of his shots but they all come from 30 feet away (except for the highlight-reel dunks). So that stuff was fictional ... but NC Central does actually exist. (I think.)
It does exist. The part of the book where the coach leaves to take the HC job at Marquette had me laughing my ass off! Grisham knew that Wojo was toast before Scoopers did.
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It does exist. The part of the book where the coach leaves to take the HC job at Marquette had me laughing my ass off! Grisham knew that Wojo was toast before Scoopers did.
That was hilarious. I think I mentioned it in a post here when I was done with the book.
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It does exist. The part of the book where the coach leaves to take the HC job at Marquette had me laughing my ass off! Grisham knew that Wojo was toast before Scoopers did.
Guess we were supposed to hire Levelle Moton.
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John Grisham wrote a basketball novel last year called "Sooley," about a Sudanese kid who leaves his war-torn country to play at NC Central.
The basketball scenes were like "Hoosiers" on steroids -- Sooley not only makes about 90% of his shots but they all come from 30 feet away (except for the highlight-reel dunks). So that stuff was fictional ... but NC Central does actually exist. (I think.)
Was this some sort of a follow-up to playing for pizza?
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Many UNC players take some of their class at NC Central so we can just call the game UNC lite….
TASTES GREAT
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Per Rothstein, NC Central added to the home schedule. Pretty regular contender in the MEAC, but not exactly a high-quality mid-major game.
We all know we have to schedule buy games, but I'm happier with buy games that may actually challenge us. This is much better than bringing in the dregs of the SWAC, Chicago State, etc. TC brought in Delaware State a few times when they were defending MEAC champs and a team like that will actually help us.
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Where do I see the master list of all the noncon games we have scheduled so far
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Where do I see the master list of all the noncon games we have scheduled so far
Brew is keeping the first post of this thread updated.
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We all know we have to schedule buy games, but I'm happier with buy games that may actually challenge us. This is much better than bringing in the dregs of the SWAC, Chicago State, etc. TC brought in Delaware State a few times when they were defending MEAC champs and a team like that will actually help us.
TC was great…..Buzz not so much?
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Brew is keeping the first post of this thread updated.
Thanks!
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TASTES GREAT
LESS FILLING
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LESS FILLING
TASTES GREAT
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LESS FILLING
COLE
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Heard Chicago State might be buy game
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Heard Chicago State might be buy game
Considering the slate of buy games, that's would be a disappointing addition.
EDIT: While I understand making good on old contracts, putting Radford, Central Michigan, and NC Central around them is a less than ideal decision.
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Non-con schedule is officially released. The CMU game is at the Al.
#MUBB Announces 2022-23 Non-Conference Schedule - Marquette University Athletics (gomarquette.com) (https://gomarquette.com/news/2022/7/21/mens-basketball-mubb-announces-2022-23-non-conference-schedule.aspx?spMailingID=8509356&spUserID=MjE5NzY2NjcwMzQ2S0&spJobID=1540534563&spReportId=MTU0MDUzNDU2MwS2)
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Non-con schedule is officially released. The CMU game is at the Al.
#MUBB Announces 2022-23 Non-Conference Schedule - Marquette University Athletics (gomarquette.com) (https://gomarquette.com/news/2022/7/21/mens-basketball-mubb-announces-2022-23-non-conference-schedule.aspx?spMailingID=8509356&spUserID=MjE5NzY2NjcwMzQ2S0&spJobID=1540534563&spReportId=MTU0MDUzNDU2MwS2)
The one buy game that's not completely sh*t. Fantastic.
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Considering the slate of buy games, that's would be a disappointing addition.
EDIT: While I understand making good on old contracts, putting Radford, Central Michigan, and NC Central around them is a less than ideal decision.
Getting stuck with Baylor and @Purdue discourages playing a willingly scheduling a A10 team at home. Seems like 2 of the 3 most difficult outcomes.
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The one buy game that's not completely sh*t. Fantastic.
If your gonna do a student only game. Doing it early in a season makes all the sense in the world.
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Per the article, no exhibition game, and with CMU at the Al, that means 17 home dates. Disappointing, I'd say.
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Per the article, no exhibition game, and with CMU at the Al, that means 17 home dates. Disappointing, I'd say.
16 home dates. 10 conference games, 6 non-conference, 1 game at the Al, and 0 exhibitions. Not ideal from a season ticket holder perspective
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Were there really no other options outside of 7-25 (#340 NET) Chicago State? I understand the need for buy games, but what a waste of a game (not to mention negative impact for our NET).
Chicago State has no business being a D1 program.
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16 home dates. 10 conference games, 6 non-conference, 1 game at the Al, and 0 exhibitions. Not ideal from a season ticket holder perspective
I guess when I thought my ticket prices didn’t increase that much, I wasn’t looking at a per game basis.
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Were there really no other options outside of 7-25 (#340 NET) Chicago State? I understand the need for buy games, but what a waste of a game (not to mention negative impact for our NET).
Chicago State has no business being a D1 program.
Is this kind of our exhibition game?
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Not ideal from a season ticket holder perspective
Not at all.
It's crazy to spend as much as MU does at Fiserv, and still have to play a regular season game at the Al.
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Not at all.
It's crazy to spend as much as MU does at Fiserv, and still have to play a regular season game at the Al.
My guess is that they wanted to play that weekend, but...
https://www.fiservforum.com/events/detail/jurassic-world-live-tour
And I wonder if they had to hold some dates open for the NBA schedule.
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The more I look at this, the more pissed I get:
- 16 home dates
- No exhibition
- Marquette controlled 4 home games that have an average 2022 NET of 309 (288 Radford, 290 NC Central, 314 CMU, 340 Chicago St)
- LIU is the worst team in the Fort Myers campus game field
- Fort Myers is a weak field, no likely tourney teams, which means we needed to beef up our buy games
My initial gut reaction is that this is the worst non-con since 2015-16.
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The more I look at this, the more pissed I get:
- 16 home dates
- No exhibition
- Marquette controlled 4 home games that have an average 2022 NET of 309 (288 Radford, 290 NC Central, 314 CMU, 340 Chicago St)
- LIU is the worst team in the Fort Myers campus game field
- Fort Myers is a weak field, no likely tourney teams, which means we needed to beef up our buy games
My initial gut reaction is that this is the worst non-con since 2015-16.
I agree. Why do you think Marquette scheduled like this, brew? Reminds me a little of the Ellenson year's schedule.
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The more I look at this, the more pissed I get:
- 16 home dates
- No exhibition
- Marquette controlled 4 home games that have an average 2022 NET of 309 (288 Radford, 290 NC Central, 314 CMU, 340 Chicago St)
- LIU is the worst team in the Fort Myers campus game field
- Fort Myers is a weak field, no likely tourney teams, which means we needed to beef up our buy games
My initial gut reaction is that this is the worst non-con since 2015-16.
If we can get to the finals (or win) Fort Myers and win 2/4 of the remaining high major games, we should be fine.
Anything less than that and we will need a helluva conference season
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The more I look at this, the more pissed I get:
- 16 home dates
- No exhibition
- Marquette controlled 4 home games that have an average 2022 NET of 309 (288 Radford, 290 NC Central, 314 CMU, 340 Chicago St)
- LIU is the worst team in the Fort Myers campus game field
- Fort Myers is a weak field, no likely tourney teams, which means we needed to beef up our buy games
Woof…woof…woof…..
My initial gut reaction is that this is the worst non-con since 2015-16.
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If we can get to the finals (or win) Fort Myers and win 2/4 of the remaining high major games, we should be fine.
Anything less than that and we will need a helluva conference season
If we beat the buy games by 30+ we are fine as well. Unless they change that from years past
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Were there really no other options outside of 7-25 (#340 NET) Chicago State? I understand the need for buy games, but what a waste of a game (not to mention negative impact for our NET).
Chicago State has no business being a D1 program.
I don't like Chicago State being scheduled, but it doesn't inherently have a negative impact on our NET. As long as we beat them like a drum our NET will either improve or remain the same as a result. This isn't like RPI.
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I agree. Why do you think Marquette scheduled like this, brew? Reminds me a little of the Ellenson year's schedule.
I immediately thought of the Ellenson year and wonder if they just aren't sure if they're any good. This slate does insure they will have some wins in non-con.
Chicago State is being played as a makeup for the cancelled game in the 2019-20 season. And as TAMU said, if they beat all the guarantees by 30+, it will be okay, but it doesn't make for a very attractive resume and it gives a lot less margin for error if it's a 7-4 or 6-5 non-con instead of the 9-2 or better we're hoping for.
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I like that there is no exhibition. I like the secret scrimmages against quality teams. Gives the coaching staff a better assessment of where the team is and where they need to be.
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The more I look at this, the more pissed I get:
- 16 home dates
- No exhibition
- Marquette controlled 4 home games that have an average 2022 NET of 309 (288 Radford, 290 NC Central, 314 CMU, 340 Chicago St)
- LIU is the worst team in the Fort Myers campus game field
- Fort Myers is a weak field, no likely tourney teams, which means we needed to beef up our buy games
My initial gut reaction is that this is the worst non-con since 2015-16.
I might add MU was originally supposed to host ND this season but that was switched. Too bad MU wanted our money early this year. Dogfish schedule.
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I agree. Why do you think Marquette scheduled like this, brew? Reminds me a little of the Ellenson year's schedule.
Did Shaka & Co. attend a session of the Buzz Williams Scheduling webex?
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I like that there is no exhibition. I like the secret scrimmages against quality teams. Gives the coaching staff a better assessment of where the team is and where they need to be.
As a STH, I'm happy missing an exhibition game in late October or early November.
10 conference games, plus Wisconsin and Baylor. 12/16 home dates are pretty good number.
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As a STH, I'm happy missing an exhibition game in late October or early November.
10 conference games, plus Wisconsin and Baylor. 12/16 home dates are pretty good number.
Me too.
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Me too.
It wasn't that long ago we had 9 conference games. Exhibition game. 7 to 8 donkeys at home. Home schedule has been solid the last two years. I enjoy UConn coming in giving us 10 conference home games and losing 2 buy games.
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Good perspective, Mr. N.
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Two less FF games will save me about $300 on beer, $60 on parking and $147 on soggy Chick Fil A.
I'm going to pocket half of that and mail the other $253.50 to Marquette to the Bring Back Football Fund.
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Someone asked earlier about the price of tix this upcoming season. It figured to be an Increase of about $20 per ticket in Sect 118..
8-)
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It wasn't that long ago we had 9 conference games. Exhibition game. 7 to 8 donkeys at home. Home schedule has been solid the last two years. I enjoy UConn coming in giving us 10 conference home games and losing 2 buy games.
Agreed.
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It wasn't that long ago we had 9 conference games. Exhibition game. 7 to 8 donkeys at home. Home schedule has been solid the last two years. I enjoy UConn coming in giving us 10 conference home games and losing 2 buy games.
If STHs are going to lose content while paying the same price, the quality of those buys should be higher, not lower. Teams like Vermont, Fresno, Buffalo, you actually learn something about your team and get an entertaining game from. Picking the worst buy slate since 2015-16 while also reducing content is a failure by the athletic department.
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If STHs are going to lose content while paying the same price, the quality of those buys should be higher, not lower. Teams like Vermont, Fresno, Buffalo, you actually learn something about your team and get an entertaining game from. Picking the worst buy slate since 2015-16 while also reducing content is a failure by the athletic department.
Do most STH care about the quality of the buy game opponents? Don’t get me wrong, I get the NET implications, but outside the outliers like Buffalo in 2018, my guess is that most really don’t care if it’s Vermont or Radford.
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Id take UConn over Vermont.
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Do most STH care about the quality of the buy game opponents? Don’t get me wrong, I get the NET implications, but outside the outliers like Buffalo in 2018, my guess is that most really don’t care if it’s Vermont or Radford.
If they don't know the difference, I don't care, and that's not the point. Putting together a quality product shouldn't be based on the dumbest person in your audience. We're all being charged the same amount for less content of a lower quality and that's BS.
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If they don't know the difference, I don't care, and that's not the point. Putting together a quality product shouldn't be based on the dumbest person in your audience. We're all being charged the same amount for less content of a lower quality and that's BS.
Its almost as if there has been a 9.1% inflation rate over the past 12 months.
Complaining about the schedule because of how it affects the team shouldn't be conflated with the external forces that have resulted in an increase in price per game. That's illogical.
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Everyone needs games, and if they can't provide a comparable product with similar inventory and value, STH costs should go down.
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If they don't know the difference, I don't care, and that's not the point. Putting together a quality product shouldn't be based on the dumbest person in your audience. We're all being charged the same amount for less content of a lower quality and that's BS.
I said “most.” Not the dumbest person. Don’t be descending into Chicosesque goalpost shifting now.
My guess is that most STH care about the BE games and the high level non conference games. They don’t give a rip about the quality of the buy games.
So from their POV the quantity going down stinks, but the quality is largely fine. Especially with a top five team in Baylor and Wisconsin coming to town.
Again it doesn’t excuse the NET implications, but most fans aren’t going to care all that much.
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As STH … I don’t like having less games.
Why did the prior Chicago St get canceled?? There’s NO excuse for scheduling them. They are the singular most consistent disgrace in “ D 1 “
Would it not be better to schedule
UWGB or UWM ? They both $uck too …
But not 340 NET suckage
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I said “most.” Not the dumbest person. Don’t be descending into Chicosesque goalpost shifting now.
My guess is that most STH care about the BE games and the high level non conference games. They don’t give a rip about the quality of the buy games.
So from their POV the quantity going down stinks, but the quality is largely fine. Especially with a top five team in Baylor and Wisconsin coming to town.
Again it doesn’t excuse the NET implications, but most fans aren’t going to care all that much.
This is spot on - casual fans (which encompass most of the fan base) see a 340 Kenpom team in the same light as a 240 Kenpom team. Directional state U and it’s not putting butts in the seats.
Baylor and Wisconsin will both be great crowds.
Cmu at the AL does stink.
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This is spot on - casual fans (which encompass most of the fan base) see a 340 Kenpom team in the same light as a 240 Kenpom team. Directional state U and it’s not putting butts in the seats.
Thank you. You said this a lot better than I did.
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I said “most.” Not the dumbest person. Don’t be descending into Chicosesque goalpost shifting now.
My guess is that most STH care about the BE games and the high level non conference games. They don’t give a rip about the quality of the buy games.
So from their POV the quantity going down stinks, but the quality is largely fine. Especially with a top five team in Baylor and Wisconsin coming to town.
Again it doesn’t excuse the NET implications, but most fans aren’t going to care all that much.
When they brought in a crap non-con slate in 2015-16, I panned it. They largely missed the postseason because of it. Not saying a tougher schedule would've got them the NCAA bid admin told the team they expected (according to Duane Wilson) but they probably at least make the NIT.
When they trimmed down on cupcakes and added quality buys like Fresno, Vermont, Buffalo, and North Dakota State, I praised it, and we were on track for our fourth consecutive postseason trip when the pandemic hit.
Now we're playing the worst non-con since 2015-16 and the combination of maximum garbage buy games coupled with a similarly weak MTE and the only quality games being the ones Marquette has no control over is irritating to me.
Since Buzz left, when we schedule garbage, we finish with garbage results. When we schedule with confidence, we do well. I don't care about what any other fan thinks. I know garbage when I see it, and MU served STHs a massive steaming plate of it.
Considering my costs don't change with reduced inventory and quality, I'm displeased. If you want to celebrate the Battle assigning us Baylor and the annual UWM game being at home, I guess, but in terms of what MARQUETTE actually did, it's crap, and I'm going to acknowledge that.
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When they brought in a crap non-con slate in 2015-16, I panned it. They largely missed the postseason because of it. Not saying a tougher schedule would've got them the NCAA bid admin told the team they expected (according to Duane Wilson) but they probably at least make the NIT.
When they trimmed down on cupcakes and added quality buys like Fresno, Vermont, Buffalo, and North Dakota State, I praised it, and we were on track for our fourth consecutive postseason trip when the pandemic hit.
Now we're playing the worst non-con since 2015-16 and the combination of maximum garbage buy games coupled with a similarly weak MTE and the only quality games being the ones Marquette has no control over is irritating to me.
Since Buzz left, when we schedule garbage, we finish with garbage results. When we schedule with confidence, we do well. I don't care about what any other fan thinks. I know garbage when I see it, and MU served STHs a massive steaming plate of it.
Considering my costs don't change with reduced inventory and quality, I'm displeased. If you want to celebrate the Battle assigning us Baylor and the annual UWM game being at home, I guess, but in terms of what MARQUETTE actually did, it's crap, and I'm going to acknowledge that.
From that schedule I would assume they're not very confident on team at start of season.
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When they brought in a crap non-con slate in 2015-16, I panned it. They largely missed the postseason because of it. Not saying a tougher schedule would've got them the NCAA bid admin told the team they expected (according to Duane Wilson) but they probably at least make the NIT.
When they trimmed down on cupcakes and added quality buys like Fresno, Vermont, Buffalo, and North Dakota State, I praised it, and we were on track for our fourth consecutive postseason trip when the pandemic hit.
Now we're playing the worst non-con since 2015-16 and the combination of maximum garbage buy games coupled with a similarly weak MTE and the only quality games being the ones Marquette has no control over is irritating to me.
Since Buzz left, when we schedule garbage, we finish with garbage results. When we schedule with confidence, we do well. I don't care about what any other fan thinks. I know garbage when I see it, and MU served STHs a massive steaming plate of it.
Considering my costs don't change with reduced inventory and quality, I'm displeased. If you want to celebrate the Battle assigning us Baylor and the annual UWM game being at home, I guess, but in terms of what MARQUETTE actually did, it's crap, and I'm going to acknowledge that.
Ok. You are countering an argument I am not making.
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From that schedule I would assume they're not very confident on team at start of season.
This schedule isn’t complicated. Young, inexperienced team with Wisconsin, Purdue, Baylor, Notre Dame and pre season tournament already locked in.
No need to make things uglier than they possibly could be by scheduling and risking losses to decent low major teams.
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This schedule isn’t complicated. Young, inexperienced team with Wisconsin, Purdue, Baylor, Notre Dame and pre season tournament already locked in.
No need to make things uglier than they possibly could be by scheduling and risking losses to decent low major teams.
As a STH, the home OOC schedule stinks for the money they asked (essentially they are asking me to pay the buy for the four crappy SOS teams and the one game I am not allowed to attend).
Separately, the OOC schedule is hurt mainly that it was MU's BE turn for the crappy Ft. Myers holiday tournament including LIU. That's on the BE and MU. MU hasn't been consistently good for a long time but still was banking on being invited to the Knight. Get better!
That said, with the expanded BE schedule, MU adds more quality games versus 15-16 as someone pointed out.
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This schedule isn’t complicated. Young, inexperienced team with Wisconsin, Purdue, Baylor, Notre Dame and pre season tournament already locked in.
No need to make things uglier than they possibly could be by scheduling and risking losses to decent low major teams.
Baylor, Purdue not MU's choice....
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Baylor, Purdue not MU's choice....
Bucky really isn't either, as that's just a series we renew. And Notre Dame was scheduled in November 2019, when Wojo, Markus, and Anim were all still here and Justin Lewis was starting his senior year of high school. The only player on this team who was a consideration was Oso, who committed 2 months earlier.
When you talk about what Marquette actually did for this schedule, it's really just the 4 games against Radford, Chicago State, Central Michigan, and NC Central. The rest was assigned or scheduled long ago.
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Baylor, Purdue not MU's choice....
Correct but the program knows they’ll be playing high major opponents from the Big10/B12 due to conferences previous scheduling commitments as well as Wisconsin.
Knowing these opponents and the youth of the squad this year, I understand taking the easy route in the buy game schedule. It certainly won’t elevate the computer numbers at all - But a young team building confidence with wins/avoiding losses to decent low major teams may help them more come conference season.
Who knows, but I’m a strong believer in team spirit and compounding losses early for a young team can be a back breaker as the season drags on.
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MU has enough games against high majors on their schedule. Beat the cupcakes by 20+, go 15-11 against high majors, go to the tourney.
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Bucky really isn't either, as that's just a series we renew. And Notre Dame was scheduled in November 2019, when Wojo, Markus, and Anim were all still here and Justin Lewis was starting his senior year of high school. The only player on this team who was a consideration was Oso, who committed 2 months earlier.
When you talk about what Marquette actually did for this schedule, it's really just the 4 games against Radford, Chicago State, Central Michigan, and NC Central. The rest was assigned or scheduled long ago.
So you're simply stating that you schedule differently when you expect to have better players on the roster. Thank you Captain Obvious.
I suspect the schedule might have been more to your liking had we retained more of Wojo's roster. A core of Carton as a senior, Oso and Garcia as juniors, Jones, Mitchell and Aidoo as a sophs would probably have provided greater confidence to play a more challenging schedule.
As it stands, given our top returning scorer is a soph who played 18 minutes per game, it's more than reasonable to ease up on the schedule this year. Which we largely can't do becuase we don't control so much of our schedule.
And if you're not going to give MU credit for anything outside of what they impact this year, why should they do anything in advance? If you're not going to give them credit for having Wisconsin on the schedule, then drop the Wisconsin series (because it's long-standing). Beg out of the Big Ten and Big 12 challenges (since those are conference-wide initiatives), turn down pre-conference tournaments (because MU doesn't control the opponents), and cancel the Notre Dame contract (since it was negotiated several years ago).
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Correct but the program knows they’ll be playing high major opponents from the Big10/B12 due to conferences previous scheduling commitments as well as Wisconsin.
Knowing these opponents and the youth of the squad this year, I understand taking the easy route in the buy game schedule. It certainly won’t elevate the computer numbers at all - But a young team building confidence with wins/avoiding losses to decent low major teams may help them more come conference season.
Who knows, but I’m a strong believer in team spirit and compounding losses early for a young team can be a back breaker as the season drags on.
1-2 of these types of games, sure. But scheduling all sub-275 teams hurts the resume in terms of Quadrant records, means you need to absolutely drub your opponents, and is providing a worse product for paying fans (less inventory and lower quality).
I don't think the expectation when playing teams projected in the 150-250 range at home should be a loss anyway, and 25 point wins are the minimum for these games to be a success, 30-40 point wins should be the goal, which is tough for a young team. In 2015-16, we played 6 teams that were 299th in RPI or worse and averaged exactly a 25-point win, though that was heavily offset by beating Grambling and Maine by a combined 83 points (55.3% of the margin in just two of the six games).
If this young team plays those four games at comfortable but inadequate 10-20 point margins, they will kill their NET early on and then, just like 2015-16, their NCAA hopes will basically be dashed by the end of December. If you play better opponents, there might be a little more risk, but you also don't have to win by 30. In the NET era, winning is no longer the measure of success. We've lost home non-con games to sub-100 teams twice in the past 15 years. Those were in Wojo's first two seasons (Nebraska-Omaha & Belmont) and I don't think we should live in fear of that happening when it is so infrequent.
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1-2 of these types of games, sure. But scheduling all sub-275 teams hurts the resume in terms of Quadrant records, means you need to absolutely drub your opponents, and is providing a worse product for paying fans (less inventory and lower quality).
I don't think the expectation when playing teams projected in the 150-250 range at home should be a loss anyway, and 25 point wins are the minimum for these games to be a success, 30-40 point wins should be the goal, which is tough for a young team. In 2015-16, we played 6 teams that were 299th in RPI or worse and averaged exactly a 25-point win, though that was heavily offset by beating Grambling and Maine by a combined 83 points (55.3% of the margin in just two of the six games).
If this young team plays those four games at comfortable but inadequate 10-20 point margins, they will kill their NET early on and then, just like 2015-16, their NCAA hopes will basically be dashed by the end of December. If you play better opponents, there might be a little more risk, but you also don't have to win by 30. In the NET era, winning is no longer the measure of success. We've lost home non-con games to sub-100 teams twice in the past 15 years. Those were in Wojo's first two seasons (Nebraska-Omaha & Belmont) and I don't think we should live in fear of that happening when it is so infrequent.
Losses to bad teams that May be better than our young team early in the season kill your NET too. You can expect to win all day long, but the reality is those teams you want to play are generally older, more experienced squads that may give our youth trouble early on - even at home.
I’m fine with taking the safer scheduling route knowing we’ll have plenty of opportunities to excel in our challenging NC schedule as well as what will be a grind of a conference season.
Also buy games are buy games to 98% of fans. The majority of folks aren’t distinguishing grambling state from Vermont.
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We're already cookin' up the "we're so young!" excuse?
Talk about COLE SLAW!
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We're already cookin' up the "we're so young!" excuse?
Talk about COLE SLAW!
if ND puts a 20 pt beat-down on us…yes, we’re young.
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Look, we're going to be fine. All of you doubted Shaka last year (except for Goose) and we achieved way beyond expectation.
Don't be surprised if .....
... we finally win an NCAA game!
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Look, we're going to be fine. All of you doubted Shaka last year (except for Goose) and we achieved way beyond expectation.
Don't be surprised if .....
... we finally win an NCAA game!
Yes, Goose was bullish on Shaka and Marquette going into last season but it's inaccurate to say he was the only one who didn't "doubt Shaka."
I'm too lazy to look it up but in the preseason poll, something like 20% of Scoopers expected Marquette to make the NCAA tournament. At least one Scooper predicted an Elite Eight run, and several had us going to the Sweet 16.
And at the end of the season, Goose actually was pretty critical of some of Shaka's coaching and disappointed with the result IIRC. Doesn't mean he's down on Shaka; he's still optimistic and I like that.
As for this season ... I expect us to play better and to have better results. I expect several of our heroes to improve significantly. It's reasonable to expect a program to show progress IMHO. I'm bullish on Shaka and MU hoops.
We Are Marquette!
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No excuses this year. This is Shaka's team and he has the entire offseason to get these guys ready. I think we have plenty of depth and we need a couple of guys to have breakout seasons. I'm sticking with Omax and believe Kam is ready to perform at a high level on a more consistent basis. We better win a game in the NCAA this year.
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No excuses this year. This is Shaka's team and he has the entire offseason to get these guys ready. I think we have plenty of depth and we need a couple of guys to have breakout seasons. I'm sticking with Omax and believe Kam is ready to perform at a high level on a more consistent basis. We better win a game in the NCAA this year.
I'd also be grateful to not play a underseeded Final Four team in the first round this year.
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@JonRothstein: The Big East and Big 12 have extended the Big East-Big 12-Battle by two years, through the 2024-25 season, per release. The event will increase to 11 matchups, starting in 23-24.
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@JonRothstein: The Big East and Big 12 have extended the Big East-Big 12-Battle by two years, through the 2024-25 season, per release. The event will increase to 11 matchups, starting in 23-24.
Confirmed: Marquette playing kstate
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Optimistic that the Big 12 will still be around.
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Optimistic that the Big 12 will still be around.
We should hedge our bets and sign a deal with the Pac-12 while we're at it. Odds are at least one will survive.
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Optimistic that the Big 12 will still be around.
For whatever its worth, the B12 maybe the most solid of the PAC12, ACC, BIG12 group and probably the best conference in basketball. Seems to be a good partner.
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Confirmed: Marquette playing kstate
;D I was thinking the same thing.
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No excuses this year. This is Shaka's team and he has the entire offseason to get these guys ready. I think we have plenty of depth and we need a couple of guys to have breakout seasons. I'm sticking with Omax and believe Kam is ready to perform at a high level on a more consistent basis. We better win a game in the NCAA this year.
What has it been; 10 years since our last NCAA win?
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What has it been; 10 years since our last NCAA win?
It will be in March. As of today, our last win was 3,413 days ago. Not that anyone is counting.
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Marquette vs Cincinnati (CUSA redux)
Marquette vs BYU (I don't know why it sounds interesting?)
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With respect to the numerous weak teams in our buy games, do you think players get anything out of these likely noncompetitive matchups? I don't really see the situation helping guys get ready for quality opponents - the difference in athleticism and defensive intensity is enormous.
We did OK last year vs. good teams so I'm willing to wait and see.
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With respect to the numerous weak teams in our buy games, do you think players get anything out of these likely noncompetitive matchups? I don't really see the situation helping guys get ready for quality opponents - the difference in athleticism and defensive intensity is enormous.
We did OK last year vs. good teams so I'm willing to wait and see.
It gives an opportunity for the young players who will not get much Big East time to see the court.
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It gives an opportunity for the young players who will not get much Big East time to see the court.
Even if we RS one player, we will have one more active player this year than we did last year.
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With respect to the numerous weak teams in our buy games, do you think players get anything out of these likely noncompetitive matchups? I don't really see the situation helping guys get ready for quality opponents - the difference in athleticism and defensive intensity is enormous.
We did OK last year vs. good teams so I'm willing to wait and see.
Since every team schedules similarly, my guess is that coaches see some value in these types of games.
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When they brought in a crap non-con slate in 2015-16, I panned it. They largely missed the postseason because of it. Not saying a tougher schedule would've got them the NCAA bid admin told the team they expected (according to Duane Wilson) but they probably at least make the NIT.
When they trimmed down on cupcakes and added quality buys like Fresno, Vermont, Buffalo, and North Dakota State, I praised it, and we were on track for our fourth consecutive postseason trip when the pandemic hit.
Now we're playing the worst non-con since 2015-16 and the combination of maximum garbage buy games coupled with a similarly weak MTE and the only quality games being the ones Marquette has no control over is irritating to me.
Since Buzz left, when we schedule garbage, we finish with garbage results. When we schedule with confidence, we do well. I don't care about what any other fan thinks. I know garbage when I see it, and MU served STHs a massive steaming plate of it.
Considering my costs don't change with reduced inventory and quality, I'm displeased. If you want to celebrate the Battle assigning us Baylor and the annual UWM game being at home, I guess, but in terms of what MARQUETTE actually did, it's crap, and I'm going to acknowledge that.
I must’ve missed Duane Wilson saying that about the Admin expecting the team to make the tourney. When did he say that?
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I must’ve missed Duane Wilson saying that about the Admin expecting the team to make the tourney. When did he say that?
I think we all missed that one if true.
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I must’ve missed Duane Wilson saying that about the Admin expecting the team to make the tourney. When did he say that?
It was on a podcast, I think either The Igloo or Real Chilly.
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It was on a podcast, I think either The Igloo or Real Chilly.
https://youtu.be/S104RfFikG4
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https://youtu.be/S104RfFikG4
Was actually this one: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-igloo/id1477715688?i=1000510831224
They start talking about 2015-16 at 42:16. Then at 1:02:20 Timmy Ice asks if they thought they were NIT locks and Wilson says "We knew we had to win one more game to get into the Tournament Tournament. We didn't even think about it, we for sure gonna get NIT."
It's a little unclear if the "one more game" was the St John's game they won or if they thought they needed one more (would've been Nova), but anyone letting that team think they were close to the NCAA Tournament or a NIT lock was lying or delusional.