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Next up: A long offseason

Marquette
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Marquette
Scrimmage
Date/Time: Oct 4, 2025
TV: NA
Schedule for 2024-25
New Mexico
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Waht grade would you assign to the MU season this yea?

A
16 (6.9%)
B
145 (62.5%)
C
60 (25.9%)
D
5 (2.2%)
F
6 (2.6%)

Total Members Voted: 232

Voting closed: March 24, 2022, 08:09:44 PM

mileskishnish72

Sort of like a report card.

What grade would you give the coach, team for their season?

The Sultan

B-

Exceeded pre-season expectations, but last six weeks weren't very encouraging.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Juan Anderson's Mixtape

Quote from: Clarissa on March 17, 2022, 08:11:06 PM
B-

Exceeded pre-season expectations, but last six weeks weren't very encouraging.

This.

panda

Voted a C. So much promise early on yet didn't build on anything and regressed when it mattered most.


warriors141

C, so much promise and then just a tremendous letdown. At one time Shaka had this team playing greater than the sum of its parts and there was so much hope, especially with how bad things have been. Then, the season turned into the nightmare that we have had one too many times before. Another collapse and absolute embarrassment in the tournament. Will next years team be any better? Shaka needs to recruit substantially better talent. Life is tough for a Marquette fan at the moment, the excitement that was built is gone for a lot of folks, especially the casual fan

BCHoopster

Not sure what culture Shaka brought in, players did not buy in.  Improvement was minimal at point guard and at center.  This are one year scholarships, I would trade Oso for another center in a second.  Kam Jones is not quick enough to play the 2 guard next year, hope Ross can play right away.  Elliott has to leave, lost all his quickness.  Bottom line, Shaka is going to have to make some tough cuts

Dr. Blackheart

#6
Quote from: panda on March 17, 2022, 08:16:58 PM
Voted a C. So much promise early on yet didn't build on anything and regressed when it mattered most.

Scoop had some interesting takes this year. Our centers are all better than Theo. Greg is an elite shooter. Tyler is the best PG since Travis. Etc. The talent was always what is was: Imperfect. Job 1 is is to fix that but I thought most improved. MU landed up where it's talent level really was. Not surprisingly to me.

Second job is the the coaching staff has to get a lot better. Situationally, but more so scheme wise. My hill all season is MU needed to be better in the half court, a threat in the paint when your base offense and defense breaks down at the end of the season. It appeared to me the coaches were too stubborn to adapt or at least develop a threat. And the weaknesses on rebounding was stunning. It was 3 on 5 and Tyler's left handed over tendencies were easy to scout.

Point 1 didn't upset me. Point 2 was a big disappointment to me all season and it was Shaka's Achilles heel (as it was at Texas) in the end. This Spring Swoon is all on the coaching staff to me.

panda

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 17, 2022, 08:35:36 PM
Scoop had some interesting takes this year. Our centers are all better than Theo, Greg is an elite shooter. Kyler is the best PG since Travis. Etc. The talent was always what is was: Imperfect. Job 1 is is to fix that but I thought most improved. MU landed up where it's talent level really was. Not surprisingly to me.

Second job is the the coaching staff has to get a lot better. Situationally, but more so scheme wise. My hill all season is MU needed to be better in the half court, a threat in the paint when your base offense and defense breaks down at the end of the season. It appeared to me the coaches were too stubborn to adapt or at least develop a threat. And the weaknesses on rebounding was stunning. It was 3 on 5 and Tyler's left handed over tendencies were easy to scout.

Point 1 didn't upset me. Point 2 was a big disappointment to me all season and it was Shaka's Achilles heel (as it was at Texas) in the end. This Spring Swoon is all on the coaching staff to me.

To be fair, our centers are better than Theo. Specifically for the system Shaka ran this year.


Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: panda on March 17, 2022, 08:39:33 PM
To be fair, our centers are better than Theo. Specifically for the system Shaka ran this year.

I agree on the fit part, but let's hope Shaka has a better vision for his fives than this year.

Boston Warrior

Great mid season

Sound byte management
Get lost in the fight
Play with violence
Play with your mean faces

It lost meaning after a while

I expected more and we need more talent

It isn't a process..

Pakuni


panda

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 17, 2022, 08:48:24 PM
I agree on the fit part, but let's hope Shaka has a better vision for his fives than this year.

He will (hopefully) it's telling he didnt recruit any hs bigs. Smart move to go after more refined big men through the portal.

jfp61

Slightly too early to judge only because i want to compare Shaka to other first year coaches.


Clearly worse than Tommy Lloyd, Mark Adams, and Hubert Davis.

Could be similar too or slightly worse than to Chris Beard, TJ Otzelberger, Drew Valentine.

Slightly better than Mike Woodson, and maybe Porter Moser if he wins the NIT

Better than Ben Johnson, Earl Grant, Wes Miller, Micah Shewsberry, Craig Smith, Tony Stubblefield, Kevin Kruger, Ryan Odom, Pat Kelsey.

I gave a B. Anything below a C+ is probably too low because preseason expectations were exceeded.

MDMU04

Quote from: Pakuni on March 17, 2022, 08:50:12 PM
Where's AB and BC?

I'm inclined to give Shaka a BC. Much like this season, those are OK.  Nothing more, nothing less.

Get enough of those, they'll give you an engineering degree.
"They call me eccentric. They used to call me nuts. I haven't changed." - Al McGuire

Elonsmusk

It's a B+  -- What the team/staff accomplished was very good considering their lack of any previous time playing together.  They elevated our hopes with the amazing 8-0 run in January that had us feeling we were almost back to the Buzz years.

I didn't think Shaka was great down the stretch with some of his rotations and decisions.  No coach gets them all right of course, and hindsight is 20/20. 

Let's not let today's debacle totally skew what was all in all, a season that exceeded expectations.  If we are having this same type of debate in Year 4 or 5 of Shaka...it will then be time to think about moving on.  But FFS it was Year 1 of a total and complete rebuild.

Merit Matters

Hard to give anything higher than a D....if you ace the first two tests in a semester then completely fail the last two exams....you fail the class. Expectations have squat to do with how you finish in the class and the final result you get.
All Lives Matter

warriorstrack

Quote from: Clarissa on March 17, 2022, 08:11:06 PM
B-

Exceeded pre-season expectations, but last six weeks weren't very encouraging.

The one time we agree, back to ignore

PointWarrior


lostpassword

My barometer for this year was always that I wanted to feel more optimistic for 2022-23 when our final horn sounded in March than when we first tipped in November.

That horn sounded today and I feel about the same.  C.

warriorstrack

Quote from: MDMU04 on March 17, 2022, 09:07:38 PM
I'm inclined to give Shaka a BC. Much like this season, those are OK.  Nothing more, nothing less.

Get enough of those, they'll give you an engineering degree.

How very Marquette of you to give a B/C. :). I agree!

BLWarrior91


Stretchdeltsig

I give Shaka a C and the team a C. Expected much better results from the players and coach. Several players are not BE material. Shaka needs to recruit and coach better to compete.

The Lens

I always think MU can compete for a spot...but this was a reboot.  The fact we had a 9 seed tells me we were ahead schedule..
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

Dickthedribbler

As Shaka continues to construct a roster and plan for next season, the suckiness that occurred today will fade. What will be remembered by most will be yet another NCAA Tournament appearance for the program in Shakas first year. A foundation to build on.

I would say the bigger stories today, and the guys who have some real 'splainin to do, involve Dan Hurley, John Calipari and Fran McCafferty.

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