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Goose

BC

I know you know your stuff, but I think you are off base on in regard to Oso shooting ability. I learned a long time ago to watch a guys free throw stroke before determining if he can shoot or not. Oso is as far away in toughness to Smith, that Smith was to Oso shooting ability.

BCHoopster

Quote from: Nukem2 on April 16, 2022, 01:12:03 PM
When Ross signed, Shaka stated..."Chase is a tremendous athlete and he can really shoot it".  For now, I guess I will take Shaka's word over yours.....

Shot 23 percent from 3, Shaka dreaming, a definite slasher, might be the best next year on that, most athletic player next year. Hope I am wrong

BCHoopster

Quote from: Goose on April 16, 2022, 01:20:28 PM
BC

I know you know your stuff, but I think you are off base on in regard to Oso shooting ability. I learned a long time ago to watch a guys free throw stroke before determining if he can shoot or not. Oso is as far away in toughness to Smith, that Smith was to Oso shooting ability.

Talked to one of the coaches, he stated he can shoot a lick, does not mean he can not improve, he questioned why they recruited him, it is amazing that he can not shoot as he is a good free throw shooter with nice form. Had the opportunity many times to shoot a 15 footer and never took it, confidence?

Herman Cain

Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 16, 2022, 01:15:25 PM
Yeah, pretty sure Oso can put the basketball in Lake Michigan from Bradford Beach, hey?

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

BCHoopster


genious expert

Quote from: BCHoopster on April 16, 2022, 01:05:26 PM
Kolek has all ability to have the biggest improvement, if not Jones will play more.  Joplin is the most skilled offensively on the team, can he improve on the D and rebound, big question. Prosper will be OK, but has to rebound as well.  Cam can score, he needs to get stronger to play D, not quick.  Mitchell keeps on improving he might be the 2 guard as he can play D.  Both centers
Are weak.  Gold will see the court, can shoot it, can he play D?  Ellis not sure,  Ross can shoot by his stats, but it seems he can play D.  NAIA does not excite me, but need that center!

Kam is not quick? I will admit that I don't pay attention much to individual defense but at least when he has the ball in his hands he looks like the quickest player on the team

Goose

BC

If one of the current coaches told you that, they should be fired. First for saying that to you and then not challenging the HC on playing the kid. That is extremely harsh opinion and that coach is stealing money from MU for working with a HC they obviously do not see eye to eye with.




Nukem2

Quote from: BCHoopster on April 16, 2022, 01:20:41 PM
Shot 23 percent from 3, Shaka dreaming, a definite slasher, might be the best next year on that, most athletic player next year. Hope I am wrong
Need a whole lot more info and context about that 23% stat.

brewcity77

Quote from: BCHoopster on April 16, 2022, 01:20:41 PM
Shot 23 percent from 3, Shaka dreaming, a definite slasher, might be the best next year on that, most athletic player next year. Hope I am wrong

Read that he shot 35% from deep the year before. The distribution on his team was not good, so he didn't get many open looks as a senior. Both Shaka and his HS coach have praised his shooting ability. That senior year stat in isolation doesn't look great, but I don't think it's necessarily indicative of what he'll be here.

Pakuni

Quote from: brewcity77 on April 16, 2022, 01:40:50 PM
Read that he shot 35% from deep the year before. The distribution on his team was not good, so he didn't get many open looks as a senior. Both Shaka and his HS coach have praised his shooting ability. That senior year stat in isolation doesn't look great, but I don't think it's necessarily indicative of what he'll be here.
Quote from: Nukem2 on April 16, 2022, 01:12:03 PM
When Ross signed, Shaka stated..."Chase is a tremendous athlete and he can really shoot it".  For now, I guess I will take Shaka's word over yours.....

Shaka also praised the shooting abilities of Tyler Kolek.

Xact

I don't see how we can possibly score 50 points a game next year.
The value of value is valueless.

Nukem2

Quote from: Pakuni on April 16, 2022, 01:45:01 PM
Shaka also praised the shooting abilities of Tyler Kolek.
Suspect Tyler's shooting issues were more about his new role as a PG.  Was not sure whether to pass, continue the dribble/play or shoot the ball. Too much hesitancy as teams were taking away the pass.   He seemed to shoot much better when he looked for the shot.  Context, context, context.....

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: Nukem2 on April 16, 2022, 01:49:40 PM
Suspect Tyler's shooting issues were more about his new role as a PG.  Was not sure whether to pass, continue the dribble/play or shoot the ball. Too much hesitancy as teams were taking away the pass.   He seemed to shoot much better when he looked for the shot.  Context, context, context.....

Does anyone know Kolek's numbers on catch-and-shoot 3s vs off-the-dribble?

Pakuni

Quote from: Nukem2 on April 16, 2022, 01:49:40 PM
Suspect Tyler's shooting issues were more about his new role as a PG.  Was not sure whether to pass, continue the dribble/play or shoot the ball. Too much hesitancy as teams were taking away the pass.   He seemed to shoot much better when he looked for the shot.  Context, context, context.....

That and he had a flat shot.

forgetful

#1014
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 16, 2022, 01:25:24 PM

Talked to one of the coaches, he stated he can shoot a lick, does not mean he can not improve, he questioned why they recruited him, it is amazing that he can not shoot as he is a good free throw shooter with nice form. Had the opportunity many times to shoot a 15 footer and never took it, confidence?

Ask that coach what they did to ruin his shot then. Because he was plenty capable of taking a face up jump shot in high school all the way out to the three point line. While it wasn't his primary game, he didn't hesitate to take and make those shots when open. While only shooting 26% in high school (13-50), that is substantially better than Justin Lewis in either high school, or his 1st year at MU.

See at 0:54, 2:22, 3:32, 5:46 in the clips below. Solid form, no hesitation on 3's. At 3:04, shooting off the bounce just inside 3-point line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z2068pEULU

So whatever coach told you that, I'm with Goose, that they need to be fired. Because if a coach can't take the form in those videos, and that you see on FT's and improve the shooting, they don't deserve to be coaching major college basketball.

I'd have him shooting at least 1000 shots a day, because he is capable as a shooter and if he develops that aspect of his game he would be an NBA 4, and be able to play for MU opposite an elite post up center. He likely lost a bit of touch when they put muscle on him, but that just means he needs reps to create new muscle memory. Easy fix.

4everwarriors

Quote from: Phuket MU Fan on April 16, 2022, 01:49:15 PM
I don't see how we can possibly score 50 points a game next year.



Which is just fine if we can hold all opponents to 49 pts, aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

forgetful

I'll actually go one step further than the above post.

Oso reminds me a bid of Juan Anderson at MU. Written off early by a lot of Scoop, but a person who grew in terms of skill development every year, and has the body/athleticism/vision to have a very high ceiling.

The question is when/if he reaches that ceiling. Will take him a little more time to grow into his body, and maintain his underlying skillsets.

Goose

forgetful

If the coach is who I think it is, not a whole of credibility in my book.

As for Oso, I am a long way from writing him off as a player. In addition, judging by playing time that last 10 or so games, Shaka has not written him off.

BCHoopster

Quote from: Goose on April 16, 2022, 01:34:28 PM
BC

If one of the current coaches told you that, they should be fired. First for saying that to you and then not challenging the HC on playing the kid. That is extremely harsh opinion and that coach is stealing money from MU for working with a HC they obviously do not see eye to eye with.

Ex coach, no longer there and was gone before he stated that. Coaches sometimes make mistakes.

4everwarriors

Pretty sure that coach doesn't know stink about talent evaluation, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Goose

BC

Not to bust your balls, but was this really a coach or a coach in training?

Pakuni

I'd take him ...


@TiptonEdits: BREAKING: Emoni Bates will transfer from Memphis, he told @On3sports.

Story: https://www.on3.com/news/former-top-recruit-emoni-bates-transferring-from-memphis/

BCHoopster

To all the above, I hope I am wrong about Oso because I am tired of playing 3 or 4 on 5.  I want a center that can score a little bit, I do think I am not asking to much from a center. If Kolek does not improve, Jones it seems has an offensive game, then you play 5 on 5.

Goose

#1023
Just a question for those who think Shaka is not going to be active in the portal, is he only contacting guys in the portal for appearance sake? TAMU noted two big names last week that Shaka reached out to and they were high level high school recruits. It seems to be silly to contact kids like that if not interested in them.

BCHoopster

Quote from: Pakuni on April 16, 2022, 02:32:15 PM
I'd take him ...


@TiptonEdits: BREAKING: Emoni Bates will transfer from Memphis, he told @On3sports.

Story: https://www.on3.com/news/former-top-recruit-emoni-bates-transferring-from-memphis/

Another skinny big, no thanks

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