2023 Coaching Carousel

[Pakuni]

Fine. Olsen's last 10 years he made the second weekend 5 times, 3 E8s, a S16 and the runner up. 3 outright conference titles and a shared title.

In the 10 seasons after his initial rebuilding season, Miller also made 5 second weekends (3 E8s and 2 S16).  He had 4 outright conference titles and 1 shared.

The idea that Miller's performance was some sort of step down, literally only apart from a F4, is just patently false.

But aren't you comparing the best 10 years of Miller's tenure with the waning years of Olson's, only to reach the conclusion that Miller's was still worse, just not vastly worse?
Obvioisly Lute had a much longer run at Arizona, but judging by only his final 10 years, as opposed to something like the middle 10, allows you to eliminate other Final Four trips and a national title in making this comparison.

[shoothoops]

Good lord you love to "well actually" argue for the sake of arguing.

It totally matters cause Miller's performance was more or less exceptional by any metric, unless a fan base has expectations set by a previous coach.  And hence why I mentioned the end of Olsen's tenure where the program was built and thriving.

Congrats on that big W for Moser last night.  A moment of pride for all totally impartial St Louisans

You are taking something simple, and making it much more difficult. Instead of simply advocating for Sean Miller, you made it a comparison between Sean Miller and Lute Olson. And in that apples to oranges comparison, Miller is going to come up short. Instead, you double and triple downed about it, and then gaslighted to change the subject.

Oh, and it's Olson by the way, not Olsen. After 3 different posts, perhaps it's more than just a typo.

[Uncle Rico]

Wheeeee

[JWags85]

But aren't you comparing the best 10 years of Miller's tenure with the waning years of Olson's, only to reach the conclusion that Miller's was still worse, just not vastly worse?
Obvioisly Lute had a much longer run at Arizona, but judging by only his final 10 years, as opposed to something like the middle 10, allows you to eliminate other Final Four trips and a national title in making this comparison.

I'm not in any way trying to diminish Lute's tenure.  He built something absolutely remarkable.  I was solely trying to speak to White Trash's anecdote about his Zona friend saying that Miller didn't win enough in the NCAAs, so thats why they were ready to be done with him.  Miller had more second weekend appearances in that 10 year run than many good coaches have in a career.

I don't think anyone is trying to equate Sean Miller to an absolute legend like Lute,  but he certainly didn't have Zona falling off in any way the majority of his tenure (at least purely on the court)

[rocky_warrior]

This is odd.  I didn't know Lute had STL connections.

[Uncle Rico]

I'm not in any way trying to diminish Lute's tenure.  He built something absolutely remarkable.  I was solely trying to speak to White Trash's anecdote about his Zona friend saying that Miller didn't win enough in the NCAAs, so thats why they were ready to be done with him.  Miller had more second weekend appearances in that 10 year run than many good coaches have in a career.

I don't think anyone is trying to equate Sean Miller to an absolute legend like Lute,  but he certainly didn't have Zona falling off in any way the majority of his tenure (at least purely on the court)

Plus, Lute cheated, too

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Plus, Lute cheated, too

I thought they pretty much all cheat. 

[Uncle Rico]

I thought they pretty much all cheat.

Except Greg Gard

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Except Greg Gard

Its the getting caught that Miller should be ridiculed for.  Coach K and St Greg wouldn't let that happen.

[Uncle Rico]

Its the getting caught that Miller should be ridiculed for.  Coach K and St Greg wouldn't let that happen.

Coach K has fall guys, he's no dummy

[Herman Cain]

He also goes into the market with zero winning conference seasons and zero tournament appearances in four years.
Between 1986 and 2018, X never missed back-to-back tournaments. Under Steele, they missed four straight.

Coach Steele Will have to go down a conference level or maybe two. A couple of openings in A-10. He may have to go down to the MAC.

Steele is a similar to Wojo in that he could bring in talent, but had a struggles putting it together to compete like the Xavier faithful demand given the resources the school has.

[JWags85]

Coach Steele Will have to go down a conference level or maybe two. A couple of openings in A-10. He may have to go down to the MAC.

Steele is a similar to Wojo in that he could bring in talent, but had a struggles putting it together to compete like the Xavier faithful demand given the resources the school has.

I'd be fairly surprised to see him get a A-10 job.  But MAC probably makes sense given his Indiana/Ohio roots.

[MuggsyB]

Coach Steele Will have to go down a conference level or maybe two. A couple of openings in A-10. He may have to go down to the MAC.

Steele is a similar to Wojo in that he could bring in talent, but had a struggles putting it together to compete like the Xavier faithful demand given the resources the school has.

Yep.  Well said Herman.

[brewcity77]

When it comes to NCAA infractions, something tells me once Xavier hires Sean Miller, everything will be just fine...just fine.

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2017/9/19/di-infractions-committee-welcomes-new-chair.aspx

[Knight Commission]

Heard Sean Miller was on Xs campus yesterday, fwiw.  May be helping with search though.  He was at a game earlier in the year as well.

[StillAWarrior]

When it comes to NCAA infractions, something tells me once Xavier hires Sean Miller, everything will be just fine...just fine.

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2017/9/19/di-infractions-committee-welcomes-new-chair.aspx

Oh my. That will be a really bad look for the NCAA (and Xavier) if they hire Miller. Not that it will matter.

[Skip Intro]

Oh my. That will be a really bad look for the NCAA (and Xavier) if they hire Miller. Not that it will matter.

Schools are looking at the success of Auburn and Houston right now and are realizing that past recruiting violations don't matter - hire a coach who is going to win.  Fans don't care when there's no identifiable "victim". 

The only scandals that seem to matter to a coach's career nowadays are either salacious (Bo Ryan, Pitino, heck Tyler Summit), or involve a cover-up of serious crimes by players (Baylor back in the day).  I know it is beating a dead horse, but I don't think Buzz would have survived at any school had the 2010-2011 scandals happened even a few years later, and certainly not today. 

[PJDunn]

Buzz should not have survived back then. Marquette's moral compass was a bit off during Brent's tenure. Mack back at XU would make things kind of interesting. He is a good coach. As others have pointed out in this thread, he just got caught.

[jfp61]

Archie is likely going to Rhode Island.. that's a good spot for him. One of the few A10 school someone can recruit at

[MU82]

Criminal activity and academic fraud are the only things that really move the needle now. Paying athletes ... meh. And as we saw with UNC, even academic fraud doesn't matter at a lot of places.

[Pakuni]

Ben Howland out at Mississippi State.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Schools are looking at the success of Auburn and Houston right now and are realizing that past recruiting violations don't matter - hire a coach who is going to win.  Fans don't care when there's no identifiable "victim". 

The only scandals that seem to matter to a coach's career nowadays are either salacious (Bo Ryan, Pitino, heck Tyler Summit), or involve a cover-up of serious crimes by players (Baylor back in the day).  I know it is beating a dead horse, but I don't think Buzz would have survived at any school had the 2010-2011 scandals happened even a few years later, and certainly not today.

Tom Izzo says hi

[MU82]

Ben Howland out at Mississippi State.

And another one from the Class of 2014 bites the dust.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

And another one from the Class of 2014 bites the dust.

While Howland was available in 2014, he's technically class of 2015.

[MU82]

While Howland was available in 2014, he's technically class of 2015.

To me, Class of 2014 means all those who were candidates (real or imagined) for the MU job after Buzz left to find happy elsewhere.