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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Herman Cain on March 09, 2022, 04:39:37 PM
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Here is a good summary of current open Coaches positions .
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-coaching-changes-2022-tracker-rumors-analysis-on-coach-carousel-whos-hired-fired/
The article also pointed out that Andy Enfield just signed a contract extension at USC. So he won't be a candidate at some of the prime openings.
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Bart Lundy, Marquettes former DBO from 2009-12. is in the final three for the UWM Job.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1501255926753284097?s=20&t=mKn266yNRQRhRKSfzR9xKw
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Not final three.
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Kind of want to see McCollum get it just as a test case cause his name kept annoyingly coming up in MU coaching discussions.
Also had no idea former Bucks LEGEND Mo Williams is coaching. He's been mediocre at Alabama St but apparently his name is enough for a promotion to join Deion at Jackson St
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Judging from his postgame press conference, Bruce Weber thinks he's done at K-State.
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Imagine being a Maryland fan and the school trying to talk yourself into Kevin Willard :-/
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Judging from his postgame press conference, Bruce Weber thinks he's done at K-State.
UWM next?
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I wonder if Bruce Weber winds up as an assistant at Duke. I know Coach K has had Duke alums as an assistant, but I could see Scheyer doing a solid there.
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UWM next?
It makes too much sense to actually happen.
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He makes about 2 million more than the top of UWM's range.
That said, if he is let go, it'd be silly of them not to reach out. Would be a great story, and let's face it, that league is so soft now that it's there for the taking with a competent coach.
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He makes about 2 million more than the top of UWM's range.
That said, if he is let go, it'd be silly of them not to reach out. Would be a great story, and let's face it, that league is so soft now that it's there for the taking with a competent coach.
Weber is 65 and has had a losing record the last 3 years and has won a NCAA tourney game only once in the 10 seasons since leaving U of I. He’s not getting a 7 figure P6 job anymore.
It’s not a money thing. If not UWM, he probably retires.
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Right, but from UWM's point of view, I can see them thinking "forget it, we can't afford him."
Look at the names that have been mentioned for this search. They're trying to catch an up and comer on the cheap.
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Nm
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Weber is 65 and has had a losing record the last 3 years and has won a NCAA tourney game only once in the 10 seasons since leaving U of I. He’s not getting a 7 figure P6 job anymore.
It’s not a money thing. If not UWM, he probably retires.
Exactly. Weber could go to UWM to end his career on a high note with three to five years for his alma mater, and UWM would get a coach who would instantly bring them respectability and stability as the do their due diligence in finding their long term solution.
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Right, but from UWM's point of view, I can see that being an impediment.
Look at the names that have been mentioned for this search. They're trying to catch an up and comer on the cheap.
Yea, Weber’s people would probably have to reach out. I don’t see UWM being confident or ambitious enough to take a flier.
Though I don’t know how much of an up and comer you can really call 2 coaches in their 50s coaching at the D2 level
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Yea, Weber’s people would probably have to reach out. I don’t see UWM being confident or ambitious enough to take a flier.
Though I don’t know how much of an up and comer you can really call 2 coaches in their 50s coaching at the D2 level
Professional negligence if UWM doesn't at least make a call. That costs them nothing.
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Professional negligence if UWM doesn't at least make a call. That costs them nothing.
If nothing else, you call him for advice on who they should hire. He has to be their most prominent alum in the college basketball space. Ask for some names, which allows him to put his name out there if he wants but isn't just pandering if he doesn't.
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Wunder if Steve Pearl gets any traction fore da UWM gig, hey?
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Wunder if Steve Pearl gets any traction fore da UWM gig, hey?
Because the Bo Jr. Experiment has gone so well, hey?
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Because the Bo Jr. Experiment has gone so well, hey?
Man, UWGB fans get really mad when you point out how bad they are under Ryan the Younger. Lots of excuses about transfers and youth. I get it, new guy and all but they finished the year 344 in KenPom and losing 12 of their last 13 in an awful league. Lots of those losses were ugly and the four factors numbers are god awful. They were 354th in the nation in 3pt shooting. It’s one thing if there was improvement during the season or something, even one thing, they did well you could hang you hat on. There isn’t any of that
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I wonder if Bruce Weber winds up as an assistant at Duke. I know Coach K has had Duke alums as an assistant, but I could see Scheyer doing a solid there.
This is a great idea, and not just for Duke (though Scheyer has obvious ties to Weber). Weber's a great example of a seasoned coach who would add a lot to the bench as an assistant to any young (or even not-so-young) coach.
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Officially official.
MANHATTAN, Kan. – Head men's basketball coach Bruce Weber announced today (March 10) that he has resigned from his position at Kansas State.
https://www.kstatesports.com/news/2022/3/10/mens-basketball-weber-resigns-as-mens-basketball-head-coach.aspx
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Officially official.
MANHATTAN, Kan. – Head men's basketball coach Bruce Weber announced today (March 10) that he has resigned from his position at Kansas State.
https://www.kstatesports.com/news/2022/3/10/mens-basketball-weber-resigns-as-mens-basketball-head-coach.aspx
The terms of Weber's contract will be honored by K-State Athletics.
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I think Kansas State will end up hiring Grant McCasland if they can get him and he doesn't take a different power job
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Damn that Bruce Weber statement at the press conference last night was solid. Good for him. Fans are dumb sometimes. They forget all the crap he did while he was there.
But def time for him to move on.
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People say this person or that person is classy ... but Bruce Weber truly is a class act, one of the real nice people in college sports. I wish him well.
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People say this person or that person is classy ... but Bruce Weber truly is a class act, one of the real nice people in college sports. I wish him well.
Milwaukee born and bred
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If KSU paying him in full then UWM can afford him.
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Professional negligence if UWM doesn't at least make a call. That costs them nothing.
Careful making that assertion round these parts.
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This is a great idea, and not just for Duke (though Scheyer has obvious ties to Weber). Weber's a great example of a seasoned coach who would add a lot to the bench as an assistant to any young (or even not-so-young) coach.
Maybe Bruce is still salty over Scheyer's recruitment and doesn't want to help him
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Maybe Bruce is still salty over Scheyer's recruitment and doesn't want to help him
By all accounts Dave & Scheyer remain close to this day. Scheyer picking Duke over Illinois ended up being a very good decision for Jon.
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Shaka to UWM.
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Cuonzo Martin out at Mizzou.
Jeff Capel getting another year at Pitt.
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Cuonzo Martin out at Mizzou.
Jeff Capel getting another year at Pitt.
Really on Capel? Woof
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Cuonzo Martin out at Mizzou.
Jeff Capel getting another year at Pitt.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33479585/missouri-tigers-fire-coach-cuonzo-martin-five-seasons
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Really on Capel? Woof
Capel's Buyout is stupid high. His Buyout is 15 million if he is fired after this year, it drops to 5 million after next year.
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Really on Capel? Woof
15 million reasons they brought him back.
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Capel's Buyout is stupid high. His Buyout is 15 million if he is fired after this year, it drops to 5 million after next year.
Yeah, that’ll do it, lol
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Capel's Buyout is stupid high. His Buyout is 15 million if he is fired after this year, it drops to 5 million after next year.
You know who REALLY deserves to be fired? Whatever person was most responsible for that effen contract!
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Cappel’s agent is incredible. Coming off his last 2 HC seasons at OU winning 9 conference games total, to the bench at Duke which has not been a successful HC factory, to get that high of a buyout 4 dang years into the Pitt gig. Hell even $5MM after 5 years is nuts. This agent is either a beast or Pitt’s AD is a numbskull
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Yep
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Will Wade out at LSU.
Since they’re going to the tournament, did the impending infractions get him now? Kinda odd timing.
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Will Wade out at LSU.
Since they’re going to the tournament, did the impending infractions get him now? Kinda odd timing.
Yeah, they got the Notice of Allegations this week. Must have been a strong ass notice.
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Will Wade out at LSU.
Since they’re going to the tournament, did the impending infractions get him now? Kinda odd timing.
Something has to be incoming. Would be 4 straight tourneys if not for COVID. Won games in the tourney. I was surprised he survived the last round of violations so more must be inbound
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Will Wade out at LSU.
Since they’re going to the tournament, did the impending infractions get him now? Kinda odd timing.
We'll see...they've tried this before.
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Yeah, they got the Notice of Allegations this week. Must have been a strong ass notice.
I see what you did there.
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We'll see...they've tried this before.
Yeah wasn't it kind of a miracle that Wade survived an NCAA investigation at LSU the last time around? From an enforcement standpoint, it kinda seems like he's been hanging by a thread regardless of on-court performance.
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Yeah, they got the Notice of Allegations this week. Must have been a strong ass notice.
It would be the ultimate irony if LSU hired Bruce Weber…who can now also cut his hair.
(I know they won’t hire Weber.)
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33479585/missouri-tigers-fire-coach-cuonzo-martin-five-seasons
I thought that was a really interesting article. I was surprised that Cuonzo's firing generated that big of a reaction given how much he's bounced around and how underwhelming his overall record is. Seems like a good guy that might do really well in a bit of a smaller environment? I don't know enough about what part of the country he recruits effectively to guess where that next stop would be, though.
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Yeah wasn't it kind of a miracle that Wade survived an NCAA investigation at LSU the last time around? From an enforcement standpoint, it kinda seems like he's been hanging by a thread regardless of on-court performance.
I would think the rule for all non-football sports at LSU is not to give the NCAA any reason to sniff around because it could lead to their football program...which is all they care about.
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People say this person or that person is classy ... but Bruce Weber truly is a class act, one of the real nice people in college sports. I wish him well.
His brother Dave (who coached John Scheyer at our local public high school) was a class act too.
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I thought that was a really interesting article. I was surprised that Cuonzo's firing generated that big of a reaction given how much he's bounced around and how underwhelming his overall record is. Seems like a good guy that might do really well in a bit of a smaller environment? I don't know enough about what part of the country he recruits effectively to guess where that next stop would be, though.
He’s literally had 1 good season. His buzz has always been puzzling to me.
I would think maybe an MVC school given his Indiana/Illinois/Missouri roots and time at Missouri St
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Buzz has already contacted Jeff Goodman to throw his name into the LSU mix. Must be looking for a new deal from A&M
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1502745870118268928?s=21
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Reminder ... Tony Bennett's wife is from Baton Rouge.
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Reminder ... Tony Bennett's wife is from Baton Rouge.
🤔
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Buzz has already contacted Jeff Goodman to throw his name into the LSU mix. Must be looking for a new deal from A&M
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1502745870118268928?s=21
I thought you were making a cleaver joke. Then I read the tweet. Has Buzz no shame? Would LSU be his fifth dream destination job?
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I thought you were making a cleaver joke. Then I read the tweet. Has Buzz no shame? Would LSU be his fifth dream destination job?
If Goodman is tweeting it, it’s because Buzz told him to.
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I thought you were making a cleaver joke. Then I read the tweet. Has Buzz no shame? Would LSU be his fifth dream destination job?
He'll stay at Marquette Virginia Tech Texas A&M as long as they'll have them.
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Reminder ... Tony Bennett's wife is from Baton Rouge.
Wasn’t that the job that her pursued before coming back to MU right after we Buzz accepted?
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He’s literally had 1 good season. His buzz has always been puzzling to me.
I would think maybe an MVC school given his Indiana/Illinois/Missouri roots and time at Missouri St
It’s a reminder of how underwhelming the candidate pool was in 2014 after Mrs. Shaka rejected us. Martin, Howland, Wardle, Hopkins, Wojo, etc.
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If Goodman is tweeting it, it’s because Buzz told him to.
I guess Buzz hasn’t heard about the new rule requiring coaches to sit out a year after transferring.
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Who gets paid more, the LSU coach or LSU players?
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He'll stay at Marquette Virginia Tech Texas A&M as long as they'll have them.
Don't mess with happy
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One thing that’s been noticeable about Duke for the last couple years is a certain lack of identity on offense and defense, and this isn’t a Wojo reference, but his assistants have left a lot to be desired. I’ll be curious how Scheyer’s staff looks and what kind of identity he tries to establish.
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Bruce Weber is an excellent basketball coach and a good man.
He'd have to have a screw loose to pursue the UW-Milwaukee job.
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Who gets paid more, the LSU coach or LSU players?
LSU should get the death penalty.
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LSU should get the death penalty.
after they beat wisky
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LSU should get the death penalty.
Can't disagree but Louisville and Baylor deserve it more.
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Can't disagree but Louisville and Baylor deserve it more.
Along with Kansas and Arizona.
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Along with Kansas and Arizona.
Yes, 100% agree.
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Mike White leaving Florida for Georgia.
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Mike White leaving Florida for Georgia.
Buzz to Florida?
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Buzz to Florida?
Goodman tweet in 3 ... 2 ... 1
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Mike White leaving Florida for Georgia.
Have to think he was...encouraged to leave by UF. He was making $3MM a year so its not like UGA is gonna give him a massive raise and its unquestionably a worse job
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Yes, 100% agree.
amen. Was in Tucson this weekend. Mention probation and their fans go full Bill Clinton denial. Q. What if AZ or KU won the title this year? Vacate it a year later?
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Have to think he was...encouraged to leave by UF. He was making $3MM a year so its not like UGA is gonna give him a massive raise and its unquestionably a worse job
I'm guessing you're right - a bit like Shaka leaving Texas.
I could see the UF job being Pitino's last hurrah. He could get them back into the national spotlight pretty quickly. Ironically Iona plays UF in the NIT this week, so the interview couldn't be easier.
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The Athletic is reporting McDermott (along with Archie MIller and Wes Miller) as a leading candidate for LSU.
https://theathletic.com/3179272/2022/03/12/lsu-mens-basketball-coaching-candidates-archie-miller-greg-mcdermott-and-wes-miller-lead-brian-hamiltons-list/ (https://theathletic.com/3179272/2022/03/12/lsu-mens-basketball-coaching-candidates-archie-miller-greg-mcdermott-and-wes-miller-lead-brian-hamiltons-list/)
"Greg McDermott, Creighton head coach. Stay with us. We’re not sure how McDermott would fare in the SEC’s piranha-infested recruiting waters. But he’s 57 years old and he reportedly makes less than $2 million a year at Creighton. And he’s an extremely good ball coach who would put an entertaining, winning product on the floor. Maybe Woodward makes an offer McDermott can’t refuse and McDermott endures the rebuild with an eye to finishing his career with a lot of money and lot of wins once LSU is back on track."
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The Athletic is reporting McDermott (along with Archie MIller and Wes Miller) as a leading candidate for LSU.
https://theathletic.com/3179272/2022/03/12/lsu-mens-basketball-coaching-candidates-archie-miller-greg-mcdermott-and-wes-miller-lead-brian-hamiltons-list/ (https://theathletic.com/3179272/2022/03/12/lsu-mens-basketball-coaching-candidates-archie-miller-greg-mcdermott-and-wes-miller-lead-brian-hamiltons-list/)
"Greg McDermott, Creighton head coach. Stay with us. We’re not sure how McDermott would fare in the SEC’s piranha-infested recruiting waters. But he’s 57 years old and he reportedly makes less than $2 million a year at Creighton. And he’s an extremely good ball coach who would put an entertaining, winning product on the floor. Maybe Woodward makes an offer McDermott can’t refuse and McDermott endures the rebuild with an eye to finishing his career with a lot of money and lot of wins once LSU is back on track."
Woodward will swing bigger than that. No offense to McDermott who did great work this year, but this is going to be a search that will take big shots at big names.
Secondly, McDermott would be well out his comfort zone. That’s a terrible fit
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Woodward will swing bigger than that.
The SEC has really prioritized their schools pursuing marquee coaches. Not sure McDermott has the tournament resume for that job, unless they make another run this year. Of the Miller brothers, I feel like Sean might be more of a fit. Better recruiter than his brother, though LSU might not want to deal with someone who has potential sanctions hanging over after the Will Wade experience.
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The SEC has really prioritized their schools pursuing marquee coaches. Not sure McDermott has the tournament resume for that job, unless they make another run this year. Of the Miller brothers, I feel like Sean might be more of a fit. Better recruiter than his brother, though LSU might not want to deal with someone who has potential sanctions hanging over after the Will Wade experience.
I could see McDermott chase a bigger job given his age but I’d be surprised if it’s LSU.
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I could see McDermott chase a bigger job given his age but I’d be surprised if it’s LSU.
I think the Ohio State gig that Holtmann got a few years ago would've been a better fit. If McDermott goes, I think the Big 10 or (oddly) Pac-12 would be better fits for him.
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So LSU fires Wade for the FBI probe, while hiring McDermott?
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Woodward will swing bigger than that. No offense to McDermott who did great work this year, but this is going to be a search that will take big shots at big names.
Secondly, McDermott would be well out his comfort zone. That’s a terrible fit
All arrows pointing toward Shaka.
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So LSU fires Wade for the FBI probe, while hiring McDermott?
Well muwarrior69 is LSU’s AD, so #donedeal
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The SEC has really prioritized their schools pursuing marquee coaches. Not sure McDermott has the tournament resume for that job, unless they make another run this year. Of the Miller brothers, I feel like Sean might be more of a fit. Better recruiter than his brother, though LSU might not want to deal with someone who has potential sanctions hanging over after the Will Wade experience.
Conversely - big name coaches may not want to deal with possible sanctions incoming at LSU.
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Florida must go after Niko Medved. We all remember how well it worked last time they raided CSU.
(http://www.trbimg.com/img-5c2afa5a/turbine/os-naked-shark-guy-identified-as-former-nyc-police-officer-20170512/450/450x253)
Don't @ me, don't care if its not him.
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So LSU fires Wade for the FBI probe, while hiring McDermott?
Exactly.
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Exactly.
My guess is lsu fires will wade and then self imposes sanctions to avoid ncaa action.
I don’t think lsu cares about perception of hiring a McDermott type but the bigger issue will be a big name wanting to deal with some sort of sanctions incoming.
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My guess is lsu fires will wade and then self imposes sanctions to avoid ncaa action.
I don’t think lsu cares about perception of hiring a McDermott type but the bigger issue will be a big name wanting to deal with some sort of sanctions incoming.
I think LSU cares very much about the perception of hiring a McDemott type. LSU's biggest concern is keeping the FBI and NCAA as far away from their football program as possible. If their basketball program is causing the NCAA and FBI to sniff around their athletic department, that's a major issue.
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Exactly.
I think his point is that if you want a coach that separates your program away from the FBI probe, McDermott probably isn’t sitting at the top of the list.
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I think LSU cares very much about the perception of hiring a McDemott type. LSU's biggest concern is keeping the FBI and NCAA as far away from their football program as possible. If their basketball program is causing the NCAA and FBI to sniff around their athletic department, that's a major issue.
They care so much they made the change immediately after the ncaa wiretaps came out and the ncaa investigation started.
Oh wait…
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They care so much they made the change immediately after the ncaa wiretaps came out and the ncaa investigation started.
Oh wait…
Right. After the NCAA and FBI was already involved...
They can't just fire the guy before the NOA comes out. They now don't pay him a penny more than what he had already been paid. They were already sniffing around, they can't reverse time.
There's a reason that every player from that team was **encouraged** to go pro, even though many of them were not close to being an NBA player. Once you aren't an NCAA student athlete you aren't obligated to talk to the NCAA in their investigations.
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They care so much they made the change immediately after the ncaa wiretaps came out and the ncaa investigation started.
Oh wait…
Sounds like the delay was all contractual. There was an out clause if he had a Level 1 violation, and until the Notice of Allegations came through, they didn't have the material proof to fire for cause. As soon as that proof was there, Wade was gone. Not saying LSU are angels or anything, but I think the delay was more because of the NCAA's delay and lawyers.
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Right. After the NCAA and FBI was already involved...
They can't just fire the guy before the NOA comes out. They now don't pay him a penny more than what he had already been paid. They were already sniffing around, they can't reverse time.
There's a reason that every player from that team was **encouraged** to go pro, even though many of them were not close to being an NBA player. Once you aren't an NCAA student athlete you aren't obligated to talk to the NCAA in their investigations.
Louisville, Arizona and OK State all acted before lsu.
That’s not swift.
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Sounds like the delay was all contractual. There was an out clause if he had a Level 1 violation, and until the Notice of Allegations came through, they didn't have the material proof to fire for cause. As soon as that proof was there, Wade was gone. Not saying LSU are angels or anything, but I think the delay was more because of the NCAA's delay and lawyers.
It’s lsu - the money is there for a buyout if they really cared.
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I think LSU cares very much about the perception of hiring a McDemott type. LSU's biggest concern is keeping the FBI and NCAA as far away from their football program as possible. If their basketball program is causing the NCAA and FBI to sniff around their athletic department, that's a major issue.
If LSU is willing to hire 60-year-old, devoid-of-charisma Brian Kelly to head its football program, its certainly not out of the realm of possibility to get McDermott. The idea of "fit" isn't as important as someone they believe will keep the program out of trouble for awhile and has a strong understanding of the Xs & Os of the game.
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Crean to LSU?
Only half-joking. If they are focused on rebuilding a program, both cleanly and with marketing savvy, Crean did that at IU. Even got some results for a few years. Overall. he's proven to be a better program builder than a coach, so the fanbase might not like him so much. Still, maybe there will be behind the scenes conversations.
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Crean to LSU?
Only half-joking. If they are focused on rebuilding a program, both cleanly and with marketing savvy, Crean did that at IU. Even got some results for a few years. Overall. he's proven to be a better program builder than a coach, so the fanbase might not like him so much. Still, maybe there will be behind the scenes conversations.
I think Georgia shows his program building and enthusiasm days are done. If Crean comes back to coaching, a smaller established job in the A-10 or something similar would probably suit him better. I think his best move is behind a desk, though. He understands the game and communicates well; he'd be an asset for FS1, ESPN, or someone similar.
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If LSU is willing to hire 60-year-old, devoid-of-charisma Brian Kelly to head its football program, its certainly not out of the realm of possibility to get McDermott. The idea of "fit" isn't as important as someone they believe will keep the program out of trouble for awhile and has a strong understanding of the Xs & Os of the game.
Agreed. So they would hire a guy who is in FBI investigations...why?
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I think Georgia shows his program building and enthusiasm days are done. If Crean comes back to coaching, a smaller established job in the A-10 or something similar would probably suit him better. I think his best move is behind a desk, though. He understands the game and communicates well; he'd be an asset for FS1, ESPN, or someone similar.
I agree with this. He brings a lot to the table in the broadcast/desk role.
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Crean to LSU?
Only half-joking. If they are focused on rebuilding a program, both cleanly and with marketing savvy, Crean did that at IU. Even got some results for a few years. Overall. he's proven to be a better program builder than a coach, so the fanbase might not like him so much. Still, maybe there will be behind the scenes conversations.
Crean and Brian Kelly could have a contest to see who can make the most cringeworthy recruiting video. Kelly would be coming in with a big lead, but I think Crean would be up to the task.
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So LSU fires Wade for the FBI probe, while hiring McDermott?
Same question
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I think Georgia shows his program building and enthusiasm days are done. If Crean comes back to coaching, a smaller established job in the A-10 or something similar would probably suit him better. I think his best move is behind a desk, though. He understands the game and communicates well; he'd be an asset for FS1, ESPN, or someone similar.
He wouldn't be a bad choice for Providence or Seton Hall if Cooley or Willard leave for greener pastures.
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He wouldn't be a bad choice for Providence or Seton Hall if Cooley or Willard leave for greener pastures.
Could you imagine Tom Crean at Seton Hall?
Goodness, those would be some matchups.
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He wouldn't be a bad choice for Providence or Seton Hall if Cooley or Willard leave for greener pastures.
I don't see him getting looks for another high major at his next stop (if there is a next stop). Georgia is bottom of the barrel in terms of job quality and he flamed out there.
I also don't think his coaching style lends itself to the immediate transfer rule.
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He wouldn't be a bad choice for Providence or Seton Hall if Cooley or Willard leave for greener pastures.
Why would either of those schools want to hire Crean?
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Jamion Christian out at George Washington. Was an assistant under Shaka for a year at VCU
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Frank Martin out at SC.
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Frank Martin out at SC.
10yrs of bad basketball with a F4 mixed in the middle.
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Jamion Christian out at George Washington. Was an assistant under Shaka for a year at VCU
Does George Washington have any shooters or big time rebounders on their roster (or in their recruiting class, I guess) that he could point MU's way?
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4 coaching cha ges so far in the SEC, and, there may be a few more too.
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Jamion Christian out at George Washington. Was an assistant under Shaka for a year at VCU
Can't blame him for getting paid, but he probably should have stayed at Siena. More his level.
10yrs of bad basketball with a F4 mixed in the middle.
Remarkable tenure. Has anyone ever done something like 10 years with only 1 NCAA berth, but that tourney berth was a F4?
I could see him being a fit at Florida Gulf Coast, given his South Florida roots
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Does George Washington have any shooters or big time rebounders on their roster (or in their recruiting class, I guess) that he could point MU's way?
Ricky Lindo maybe? Played at Maryland when Haynes was there too.
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10yrs of bad basketball with a F4 mixed in the middle.
Another guy who had a good thing going at one school, then thought the grass was greener on the other side of the street and found out it wasn't.
Martin had a very good thing going at K- State. Lost all that momentum when he went to South Carolina.
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Anyone thankful MU moved last year on the coaching change versus delaying due to COVID year? Lots more big open jobs open this year. Shaka would have been a hot commodity.
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10yrs of bad basketball with a F4 mixed in the middle.
Didn’t realize he was there for 10 years. Certainly didn’t feel that long.
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Anyone thankful MU moved last year on the coaching change versus delaying due to COVID year? Lots more big open jobs open this year. Shaka would have been a hot commodity.
Really? Last year MU, Texas, Duke, UNC, Indiana, Oklahoma, Arizona, Minnesota, Cincy, DePaul, and that’s just off the top of my head.
This year the only high level job is Louisville. I don’t view LSU as that good of a job
Btw I think Marquette won the coaching carousel last year
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Really? Last year MU, Texas, Duke, UNC, Indiana, Oklahoma, Arizona, Minnesota, Cincy, DePaul, and that’s just off the top of my head.
This year the only high level job is Louisville. I don’t view LSU as that good of a job
Btw I think Marquette won the coaching carousel last year
LSU is certainly a better job than Minnesota, Cincy and DePaul. And neither Duke or UNC was ever really open.
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Really? Last year MU, Texas, Duke, UNC, Indiana, Oklahoma, Arizona, Minnesota, Cincy, DePaul, and that’s just off the top of my head.
This year the only high level job is Louisville. I don’t view LSU as that good of a job
Btw I think Marquette won the coaching carousel last year
Lesser, but still power conference: Utah, Texas Tech, Boston College, Penn State.
And the hotness of Shaka as a commodity - or even his availability - would have depended on how the season went at Texas.
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LSU is certainly a better job than Minnesota, Cincy and DePaul. And neither Duke or UNC was ever really open.
I understand but there were still coaching changes
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Another guy who had a good thing going at one school, then thought the grass was greener on the other side of the street and found out it wasn't.
Martin had a very good thing going at K- State. Lost all that momentum when he went to South Carolina.
IIRC, he was essentially told to leave KState.
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Really? Last year MU, Texas, Duke, UNC, Indiana, Oklahoma, Arizona, Minnesota, Cincy, DePaul, and that’s just off the top of my head.
This year the only high level job is Louisville. I don’t view LSU as that good of a job
Btw I think Marquette won the coaching carousel last year
Yes, many of those jobs were prime, but they were pre-ordained versus a wild market. Indiana, Duke, NC went to vested alums. Texas and Oklahoma were related to Shaka's move.
I won't even get into DePaul, Cinci or Minnesota which were shytshows. AZ a great job and hire with a dark cloud. That was the prime job.
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Frank Martin was unhappy at Kansas State and did everything he could to leave, even taking the South Carolina job where many coaches fizzle out after success elsewhere. (Odom, Fogler).
His dream job is Miami. He did everything possible to try to get it the last time it was open but they weren’t interested at the time.
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What? John Currie drove him out
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Half of the SEC is/was/will open. Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, LSU, Misouri, and Mississippi st. will likely open
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Yes, many of those jobs were prime, but they were pre-ordained versus a wild market. Indiana, Duke, NC went to vested alums. Texas and Oklahoma were related to Shaka's move.
Putting IU in with Duke and UNC is crazy. The latter two had assistants who were sitting on the bench close to a decade before being picked by the school and their mentors. Woodson came out of seemingly nowhere after IU couldn't hire a bunch of big splash names. He was in no way pre-ordained or even slotted highly as a preferred alum pick. It would be like if Marquette hired Jim Boylan
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Half of the SEC is/was/will open. Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, LSU, Misouri, and Mississippi st. will likely open
You could probably add A&M to the list once Buzz jumps ship to Florida because he's Buzz.
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You could probably add A&M to the list once Buzz jumps ship to Florida because he's Buzz.
Has his PR team already started hating on the SEC and TAMU?
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You could probably add A&M to the list once Buzz jumps ship to Florida because he's Buzz.
Can't Florida do better than Buzz? That's a good job.
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Can't Florida do better than Buzz? That's a good job.
Too much pressure there for Brent to take that job
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Putting IU in with Duke and UNC is crazy. The latter two had assistants who were sitting on the bench close to a decade before being picked by the school and their mentors. Woodson came out of seemingly nowhere after IU couldn't hire a bunch of big splash names. He was in no way pre-ordained or even slotted highly as a preferred alum pick. It would be like if Marquette hired Jim Boylan
You make it sound like Woodson had no coaching experience. He was an NBA assistant since 1996. Sure some crazy ass names were thrown out there like Oats and Stevens but I4 alums wanted a home grown alum. The only question was college recruiting so they paired him with Matta. As early as March 20 he was a leader in the press. As we look back, this may have been the best hire of the home growns.
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Has his PR team already started hating on the SEC and TAMU?
Or has there been a feelgood TV story about the TAMU version of Buzz's Bunch?
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Goodman actually kinda ripped TAMU on his segment that I saw today.
Basically said, win more games and schedule tougher non con so they don’t even put themselves in that position.
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You make it sound like Woodson had no coaching experience. He was an NBA assistant since 1996. Sure some crazy ass names were thrown out there like Oats and Stevens but I4 alums wanted a home grown alum. The only question was college recruiting so they paired him with Matta. As early as March 20 he was a leader in the press. As we look back, this may have been the best hire of the home growns.
Thats fine, but you said "pre-ordained" and compared him to 2 guys who were basically penciled into the job without a search from within the program. When it became clear Miller was on his way out, pretending like Woodson was the first or second choice from the jump is revisionist history. He hadn't been around college coaching at all and wasn't exactly a great NBA coach. He's worked out pretty well, but the situations between IU and their search and UNC/Duke were wildly different. The only similarity is that there are alums coaching.
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Can't Florida do better than Buzz? That's a good job.
Raises an interesting question ... SEC run notwithstanding, was Buzz's stock higher three years ago than today?
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Thats fine, but you said "pre-ordained" and compared him to 2 guys who were basically penciled into the job without a search from within the program. When it became clear Miller was on his way out, pretending like Woodson was the first or second choice from the jump is revisionist history. He hadn't been around college coaching at all and wasn't exactly a great NBA coach. He's worked out pretty well, but the situations between IU and their search and UNC/Duke were wildly different. The only similarity is that there are alums coaching.
Whatever. "Pre-ordained" as they all wanted one of their own (whether there wasn't segments that didn't want to hire outside. I mean, Brad Stevens was mentioned for all three jobs).
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Raises an interesting question ... SEC run notwithstanding, was Buzz's stock higher three years ago than today?
I would think unquestionably. Regardless of how some feel about his time at VT, he still took over a middling/bad (at the time) program and was coming off 3 straight NCAAs and a Sweet 16 that was a whisker away from an E8.
He took over a program that wasn't great, but was in better shape, and has done very little in 3 seasons. I don't think he's got the shine he had at all.
Whatever. "Pre-ordained" as they all wanted one of their own (whether there wasn't segments that didn't want to hire outside. I mean, Brad Stevens was mentioned for all three jobs).
I mean, not at all what you originally implied, but I don't disagree that IU wanted an alum or someone with Indiana roots.
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Didn’t IU think they were gonna get Scott Drew?
I thought Mike Woodson was a 5th or 6th choice
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I’m glad this isn’t the year we have a vacancy.
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Didn't know that Chris Collins was on the hot seat, but Northwestern's AD put out a statement saying he'll be back next year.
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Didn't know that Chris Collins was on the hot seat, but Northwestern's AD put out a statement saying he'll be back next year.
I mean, save for 2017 breaking the tourney drought, he's been pretty awful. I know its NW but he's been worse than Carmody's later years and they are trending downward. Maybe they give Wojo a look
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Crean sucks
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Didn't know that Chris Collins was on the hot seat, but Northwestern's AD put out a statement saying he'll be back next year.
The AD probably did that to remind everybody that Northwestern basketball exists. It is very close to being a complete nonentity in Chicago. The AHL Wolves have a much bigger following, and the WNBA Sky's games are often better attended.
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The AD probably did that to remind everybody that Northwestern basketball exists. It is very close to being a complete nonentity in Chicago. The AHL Wolves have a much bigger following, and the WNBA Sky's games are often better attended.
Sky games are a blast. And also significantly exceed depaul crowds
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Sky games are a blast. And also significantly exceed depaul crowds
I went to a couple of Storm games on a previous trip to Seattle and really enjoyed them. Very fan-friendly, and they have Sue Bird and other really good players.
And yes, the enthusiasm around DePaul basketball makes Northwestern "hoops central"!
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I would think unquestionably. Regardless of how some feel about his time at VT, he still took over a middling/bad (at the time) program and was coming off 3 straight NCAAs and a Sweet 16 that was a whisker away from an E8.
He took over a program that wasn't great, but was in better shape, and has done very little in 3 seasons. I don't think he's got the shine he had at all.
I really don’t have a good idea of what type of team A&M will have next year, but it’s not a stretch that he finds himself on the hot seat.
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Raises an interesting question ... SEC run notwithstanding, was Buzz's stock higher three years ago than today?
No doubt. His stock was through the roof and at all time highs after his success at MU and previously woeful V Tech. Stock is off those all time highs but still merits a buy rating. Meanwhile CTC stock has been delisted.
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No doubt. His stock was through the roof and at all time highs after his success at MU and previously woeful V Tech. Stock is off those all time highs but still merits a buy rating. Meanwhile CTC stock has been delisted.
If we’re going with a binary buy/sell, I’d sell.
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Frank Martin gone.
Only one NCAAT appearance while at S Carolina… but unfortunately for MU that was a good one.
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If we’re going with a binary buy/sell, I’d sell.
Ditto.
Best attribute for early in career Buzz was digging through the cracks and finding ingenious ways to get immediately eligible guys.
With NIL and the break of transfer sitting out this leg up Buzz had is gone. He's no different then others and quite a few others do it better.
That written, he'll be in the discussion as usual to get his raise and perhaps leave out the back door as he does.
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Coaching Changes is on a Twitter heater this morning
https://twitter.com/coachingchanges/status/1503748539880456199?s=21
Among other things:
Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Anthony Grant is the front runner at Florida, may not take it
Ben Howland is expected to be fired
The account is pretty hot takey, so take it all with a grain of salt
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I really don’t have a good idea of what type of team A&M will have next year, but it’s not a stretch that he finds himself on the hot seat.
Saw an article early in the year talking about how Buzz used the transfer portal to target younger guys in hopes of building for 2-3 years down the road as opposed to getting 1 year type guys.
If that is the case, you can make an argument that he is ahead of schedule.
Buzz is an excellent coach. I would doubt he is on the hot seat at all.
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Too much pressure there for Brent to take that job
This. Buzz wants to build not sustain. He is a scrapper, but is always on the verge of being wronged in a way that makes him need to move on to the next place. And sometimes he retaliates first, to steal a line from Fury Road. I think he's the new Larry Brown. He can be a heck of a coach, but he's a complete mercenary. He will never be anywhere for long.
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Coaching Changes is on a Twitter heater this morning
https://twitter.com/coachingchanges/status/1503748539880456199?s=21
Among other things:
Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Anthony Grant is the front runner at Florida, may not take it
Ben Howland is expected to be fired
The account is pretty hot takey, so take it all with a grain of salt
That account is a must follow this time of year. Both for juicy info and for snark. Love them dragging Frank Haith.
That being said, Anderson leaving and SJU getting Pitino would be incredibly entertaining for the BE but also horrible cause SJU fans don't need much to be insufferable
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Coaching Changes is on a Twitter heater this morning
https://twitter.com/coachingchanges/status/1503748539880456199?s=21
Among other things:
Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Anthony Grant is the front runner at Florida, may not take it
Ben Howland is expected to be fired
The account is pretty hot takey, so take it all with a grain of salt
There are multiple anonymous coaches that utilize the account. Some are VERY accurate; others just flat-out stir the pot and talk **** about other coaches.
I've seen the Anderson-to-Tulsa rumors from a couple of different accounts. There has to be some smoke to those rumors, which would be unfortunate. However, Anderson has always been been in the Southern region (Tulsa, Arkansas, UAB and Missouri) and is a Tulsa alumnus. In addition, Anderson was not the first, second or even third candidate for St. John's a few years ago (they offered Hurley, Moser and Cluess each before him, and it was rumored they even offered Scheyer too).
St. John's is more intriguing today than it was when Mullin left. If you add in NIL in the country's biggest sports market, that could be the most desired job on the market for the right coach. They should go hard after Mike Boynton, a Brooklyn-native.
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Coaching Changes is on a Twitter heater this morning
https://twitter.com/coachingchanges/status/1503748539880456199?s=21
Among other things:
Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Anthony Grant is the front runner at Florida, may not take it
Ben Howland is expected to be fired
The account is pretty hot takey, so take it all with a grain of salt
Is Mike Anderson out at St. John's? I know he's an alum, but that seems like a step down. He hasn't exactly been lighting the Big East on fire, but usually coaches get a full recruiting cycle before getting canned.
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Is Mike Anderson out at St. John's? I know he's an alum, but that seems like a step down. He hasn't exactly been lighting the Big East on fire, but usually coaches get a full recruiting cycle before getting canned.
Anderson is not an sju alum. He really has no ties to the area which made the initial hire perplexing
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This is your annual reminder that Coaching changes Twitter gets a lot of things incorrect.
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Anderson is not an sju alum. He really has no ties to the area which made the initial hire perplexing
Source? was referencing that Anderson is a Tulsa alum.
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Matt Norlander says Anderson is no longer a candidate for Tulsa, given his $2.5 million buyout that Tulsa cannot afford. The interest was not mutual.
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Is Mike Anderson out at St. John's? I know he's an alum, but that seems like a step down. He hasn't exactly been lighting the Big East on fire, but usually coaches get a full recruiting cycle before getting canned.
He's not out. They are saying he is looking based on conjecture.
It'd be interesting to see Slick Rick or Hurley there if StJ does open up.
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There are multiple anonymous coaches that utilize the account. Some are VERY accurate; others just flat-out stir the pot and talk **** about other coaches.
Like a lot of people, I followed @CoachingChanges when Wojo got canned and we were in the market: by far the most absurd account tied to college hoops. Can count on one hand the amount of positive things they've said about all of college coaching.
Just yesterday, they tweeted (then deleted) former GWU HC Jamion Christian had sex with the the DOBO at GWU and he's gonna end up on Marquette's staff with Shaka.
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Source? was referencing that Anderson is a Tulsa alum.
Lol I misread original post.
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This is your annual reminder that Coaching changes Twitter gets a lot of things incorrect.
That’s why it’s a hoot
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This is your annual reminder that Coaching changes Twitter gets a lot of things incorrect.
So you're saying they're really no different than the majority of sports media when it comes to coaching hiring and firing?
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There may be some readers here that may be unfamiliar with that account and it's history. So I was just pointing that out.
And, as one postames suggests above, in a world of negative nancies, perhaps be a positive paul.
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Anderson back to SJU
https://twitter.com/StJohnsBBall/status/1503774014799556610?s=20&t=xlvFx90rLjGsFX3h7wcaTg
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Anderson back to SJU
https://twitter.com/StJohnsBBall/status/1503774014799556610?s=20&t=xlvFx90rLjGsFX3h7wcaTg
Good for Tulsa
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Anderson back to SJU
https://twitter.com/StJohnsBBall/status/1503774014799556610?s=20&t=xlvFx90rLjGsFX3h7wcaTg
But wait a Twitter account named "Coaching Changes" told me Anderson to Tulsa was a done deal. .....actual word on the street is that Tulsa wasn't interested in hiring Anderson at this time.
https://twitter.com/CoachingChanges/status/1503748539880456199?t=EsedgelUGJeqTQrI6VBvGQ&s=19
Nice touch that their Twitter account doesn’t allow replies to their tweets.
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Coaching Changes is on a Twitter heater this morning
https://twitter.com/coachingchanges/status/1503748539880456199?s=21
Among other things:
Mike Anderson to Tulsa
Anthony Grant is the front runner at Florida, may not take it
Ben Howland is expected to be fired
The account is pretty hot takey, so take it all with a grain of salt
The account is pretty hot takey, so take it all with a grain of salt
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Just start an MUScoop account on Twitter. Don’t allow replies to be held accountable. Say mean spirited negative gossip constantly about people. Tweet random incorrect coaching things but do it with conviction.
So basically, Just move MUScoop board to Twitter. (just kidding of course)
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Just start an MUScoop account on Twitter. Don’t allow replies to be held accountable. Say mean spirited negative gossip constantly about people. Tweet random incorrect coaching things but do it with conviction.
So basically, Just move MUScoop board to Twitter. (just kidding of course)
Wait. Twitter has negative gossip, incorrect information, and people do it with conviction?! No way!
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Wait. Twitter has negative gossip, incorrect information, and people do it with conviction?! No way!
Twitter is a vehicle. It all depends on how you drive.
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Pat Forde reporting things are moving forward with regards to Louisville and Kenny Payne
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Twitter is a vehicle. It all depends on how you drive.
The best Twitter account is this one:
https://twitter.com/bestfansstlouis/status/1502673055448977411?s=21
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Saw an article early in the year talking about how Buzz used the transfer portal to target younger guys in hopes of building for 2-3 years down the road as opposed to getting 1 year type guys.
If that is the case, you can make an argument that he is ahead of schedule.
Buzz is an excellent coach. I would doubt he is on the hot seat at all.
He’s ahead of schedule after missing the tournament for the 3rd year? I’m not saying he’s currently on the hot seat, but if he misses again next year with a $4/yr salary, I would expect for things to heat up for him. I think he’s a fine coach, but around here it seems like he’s graded on a curve because of the jobs he taken since MU.
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He’s ahead of schedule after missing the tournament for the 3rd year? I’m not saying he’s currently on the hot seat, but if he misses again next year with a $4/yr salary, I would expect for things to heat up for him. I think he’s a fine coach, but around here it seems like he’s graded on a curve because of the jobs he taken since MU.
I don’t have a ton of sympathy for them not making the dance this year, but the arrow is pointing up for them next season. I believe a good chunk of that roster is back.
It’d be prettt egregious not to dance next season just glancing at the possible returning minutes
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a $4/yr salary
Even DePaul could afford that!
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I don’t have a ton of sympathy for them not making the dance this year, but the arrow is pointing up for them next season. I believe a good chunk of that roster is back.
It’d be prettt egregious not to dance next season just glancing at the possible returning minutes
Only one senior. Several players that have already transferred once, so Buzz should have a solid returning core.
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the WNBA Sky's games are often better attended.
My first inclination was to call BS on this. So I looked it up. The average Sky attendance last year was 2988. This past year, NW had 6 games with attendance under 2988, and that includes 2 Big Ten games under that mark, and students get in free. Pathetic. Time for Tom Crean to make in appearance back in the Big 10.
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My first inclination was to call BS on this. So I looked it up. The average Sky attendance last year was 2988. This past year, NW had 6 games with attendance under 2988, and that includes 2 Big Ten games under that mark, and students get in free. Pathetic. Time for Tom Crean to make in appearance back in the Big 10.
Pre-renovation, I could kind of see it. Cause Welsh-Ryan was a dump with mediocre sightlines and an antique scoreboard. But after the renovation, there isn't much excuse.
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My first inclination was to call BS on this. So I looked it up. The average Sky attendance last year was 2988. This past year, NW had 6 games with attendance under 2988, and that includes 2 Big Ten games under that mark, and students get in free. Pathetic. Time for Tom Crean to make in appearance back in the Big 10.
I looked it up before I wrote it. Imagine that! Really eye-opening.
Pre-renovation, I could kind of see it. Cause Welsh-Ryan was a dump with mediocre sightlines and an antique scoreboard. But after the renovation, there isn't much excuse.
The "excuse" is that few care.
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I looked it up before I wrote it. Imagine that! Really eye-opening.
The "excuse" is that few care.
Good thing Pat Ryan has decided a $480 million gift is best spent on NU football. What a terrible use of wealth.
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Good thing Pat Ryan has decided a $480 million gift is best spent on NU football. What a terrible use of wealth.
In the roughly 30 years between Ara Parseghian and Pat Ryan becoming heavily involved with NU athletics, the football team won less than 70 games...total. Pat Fitzgerald has won more than that in the last 10 years alone, and thats including 2 terrible seasons in the last 3 years. Sure they are not Alabama, but the thought of Northwestern football being a winning program, much less borderline top 25 many years, was unheard of.
Probably much more enjoyable than a big donation to a school just to be on a library or lecture hall. It would be better spent on the Bears, but Virginia is unfortunately immortal like Queen Elizabeth.
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In the roughly 30 years between Ara Parseghian and Pat Ryan becoming heavily involved with NU athletics, the football team won less than 70 games...total. Pat Fitzgerald has won more than that in the last 10 years alone, and thats including 2 terrible seasons in the last 3 years. Sure they are not Alabama, but the thought of Northwestern football being a winning program, much less borderline top 25 many years, was unheard of.
Probably much more enjoyable than a big donation to a school just to be on a library or lecture hall. It would be better spent on the Bears, but Virginia is unfortunately immortal like Queen Elizabeth.
The library and lecture hall at NU would actually get used
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I looked it up before I wrote it. Imagine that! Really eye-opening.
It's a Christmas miracle ;D
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Sure sounds like Louisville is going with Kenny Payne.
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Xavier dumps Travis Steele.
Sean Miller or Chris Mack coming back?
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Xavier dumps Travis Steele.
Sean Miller or Chris Mack coming back?
What's hilarious is both are extremely dirty so it'll be fun to watch Xavier fans still claim to be a clean program.
Also they could go after Thad Matta... kind of a weird opportunity for them to hire any extremely succcessful former coach.
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Is Niko Medved’s name being tossed around anywhere?
Would think he would get some national interest.
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Xavier's reporters are saying Sean Miller recently bought a house in Cincinnati. And that South Carolina is going to make a run at Miller, so Xavier made this move now.
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Xavier's reporters are saying Sean Miller recently bought a house in Cincinnati. And that South Carolina is going to make a run at Miller, so Xavier made this move now.
God if Miller got the Xavier job that would immediately make them 1000x more unlikeable
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Xavier dumps Travis Steele.
Sean Miller or Chris Mack coming back?
Who would ever want to coach Xavier? They can't do better. Nobody will want that job after firing Steele after the job he did. They will loose all their players. They will loose all their recruits. This will set them back 10 years.
My cut and paste from MUScoop the past two/three years.
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I can’t believe they would can Steele now and derail this NIT run
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God if Miller got the Xavier job that would immediately make them 1000x more unlikeable
Agreed. Too bad Buzz is gone. The sweat wars those two would have would be something to see.
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God if Miller got the Xavier job that would immediately make them 1000x more unlikeable
Agreed. I seriously don't think Miller should coach college basketball ever again.
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Strange. X just won its first NIT game last night. Why not wait until NIT is over?
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Xavier dumps Travis Steele.
Sean Miller or Chris Mack coming back?
Travis Steele will go into the market with a winning record and no losing seasons. Someone will pick him up.
Miller, Mack or Mata would all be good picks.
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Strange. X just won its first NIT game last night. Why not wait until NIT is over?
The rumor from Xavier's reporter is that South Carolina was going to make a run at Miller and Xavier wants Miller.
My guess is the Xavier reporter really doesn't have any inside information on any of it.
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Travis Steele will go into the market with a winning record and no losing seasons. Someone will pick him up.
Miller, Mack or Mata would all be good picks.
Yeah, he’ll kill it at Western State U
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The rumor from Xavier's reporter is that South Carolina was going to make a run at Miller and Xavier wants Miller.
My guess is the Xavier reporter really doesn't have any inside information on any of it.
They have to have a handshake deal with someone already though, right? Firing Steele now, in this market, and without a pretty surefire succession plan would really be something.
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Travis Steele will go into the market with a winning record and no losing seasons. Someone will pick him up.
Miller, Mack or Mata would all be good picks.
He also goes into the market with zero winning conference seasons and zero tournament appearances in four years.
Between 1986 and 2018, X never missed back-to-back tournaments. Under Steele, they missed four straight.
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Who would ever want to coach Xavier? They can't do better. Nobody will want that job after firing Steele after the job he did. They will loose all their players. They will loose all their recruits. This will set them back 10 years.
My cut and paste from MUScoop the past two/three years.
Except steel made zero tournaments and only two NITs (maybe he'd have made the NCAA in 2020?)... he was objectively underperforming at a school that's pretty much been a reliable at least one win in the tournament pick for about 15yrs.
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Xavier has to at least call Billy Donovan
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Xavier has to at least call Billy Donovan
Good call.
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Xavier has to at least call Billy Donovan
Who's that? The Bull's have coach with the same name. That would be funny if Xavier called that Billy Donovan.
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Who's that? The Bull's have coach with the same name. That would be funny if Xavier called that Billy Donovan.
It's making fun of me because Donovan wasn't hired by the bulls yet and hadn't explicitly said he wanted to stay in the NBA so I said "why not at least call?" And people who've never worked cold call sales in their life got oh so offended by the idea.
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Strange. X just won its first NIT game last night. Why not wait until NIT is over?
Because before Steele, Xavier in the last 15 years had made 13 NCAA appearances, 2 E8s and 4 S16s. Steele never made the NCAAs. Who cares about the NIT if that’s your expectation.
He also goes into the market with zero winning conference seasons and zero tournament appearances in four years.
Between 1986 and 2018, X never missed back-to-back tournaments. Under Steele, they missed four straight.
Yep. I get that Steele was a promote from within, which has been Xavier’s MO, but he was notably different than his predecessors IMO.
Miller spent time under Herb Sendek at 2 stops, plus Ralph Willard before joining up with Matta at X.
Mack was an accomplished HS coach before spending time at 2 different schools with Skip Prosser before coming back to X under Miller.
Steele was at a CC into his mid 20s, had some haphazard experience at Indiana with Sampson, and then came to X and basically just worked under Mack. His pedigree was much less impressive. And his HC track record reflects that. I’d be surprised if he jumps to another HC gig. He’s a young guy, he’ll land on his feet, but I imagine it’s wherever Mack ends up (assuming it’s not X) or maybe Houston/LSU depending on Sampson
It's making fun of me because Donovan wasn't hired by the bulls yet and hadn't explicitly said he wanted to stay in the NBA so I said "why not at least call?" And people who've never worked cold call sales in their life got oh so offended by the idea.
My first job out of college was freight logistics cold calling sales. You’re saying I should have called Walmart and Best Buy, cause why not?
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How is Sean Miller not toxic to a program?
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How is Sean Miller not toxic to a program?
As an Arizona alum friend of mine said about Miller; "He's a cheater, a liar, arrogant about his cheating and lying and can't win in the NCAA, we need to move on from him". AZ did roughly a year after that statement.
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My first job out of college was freight logistics cold calling sales. You’re saying I should have called Walmart and Best Buy, cause why not?
When I was at Groupon a buddy of mine closed corporate six flags, another closed Alinea (that only ran for a split second) because they figured "why not?"
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When I was at Groupon a buddy of mine closed corporate six flags, another closed Alinea (that only ran for a split second) because they figured "why not?"
Not to get too far off topic but I've had and heard of other similar experiences. I'd encourage anyone to take a shot at a 'pipe dream' sale or account. At worse you will probably learn something you can use elsewhere and maybe, just maybe, you'll make bank.
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Because before Steele, Xavier in the last 15 years had made 13 NCAA appearances, 2 E8s and 4 S16s. Steele never made the NCAAs. Who cares about the NIT if that’s your expectation.
X also had a 37 year streak of .500 or better in conference, albeit it some in lesser conferences, that they took real pride in. Steele was .500 his first year but under .500 the past three. Most X fans were ready for a change despite a very good recruiting class coming in. This has felt very similar for the past month to what MU went through last year. An increasingly frustrated and vocal fan base surprised that the school pulled the trigger without letting it play out another year. Next year, like this year for MU, had the potential to get ugly.
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As an Arizona alum friend of mine said about Miller; "He's a cheater, a liar, arrogant about his cheating and lying and can't win in the NCAA, we need to move on from him". AZ did roughly a year after that statement.
I don’t have an issue with the first part, but he made 3 E8s in roughly 8 years. Lute Olsen made 7 E8s or better in 25 years. Sure he didn’t make a F4 but it’s not like he was flaming out every year. Making the second weekend 5 times in your first 9 years before COVID and sanctions isn’t exactly “can’t win in the NCAA”
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I don’t have an issue with the first part, but he made 3 E8s in roughly 8 years. Lute Olsen made 7 E8s or better in 25 years. Sure he didn’t make a F4 but it’s not like he was flaming out every year. Making the second weekend 5 times in your first 9 years before COVID and sanctions isn’t exactly “can’t win in the NCAA”
Prior to ‘97, Lute had the same rap and he made two final fours
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As an Arizona alum friend of mine said about Miller; "He's a cheater, a liar, arrogant about his cheating and lying and can't win in the NCAA, we need to move on from him". AZ did roughly a year after that statement.
Sounds like Putin
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Is Niko Medved’s name being tossed around anywhere?
Would think he would get some national interest.
I think he signed an extension at Colorado State a few days ago.
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I don’t have an issue with the first part, but he made 3 E8s in roughly 8 years. Lute Olsen made 7 E8s or better in 25 years. Sure he didn’t make a F4 but it’s not like he was flaming out every year. Making the second weekend 5 times in your first 9 years before COVID and sanctions isn’t exactly “can’t win in the NCAA”
Apples to oranges.
Lute Olson coached Arizona 24 seasons. The last coach to have a winning overall record at Arizona prior to him was Fred Enke. Fred’s last winning season was the 1952-1953 season.
Olson won 11 league titles. 4 Final Fours. National Title. Made the NCAA Tourney 2nd weekend 11 times. Finished top 3 in the league 21 times. 23 NCAA Tourney appearances.
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Sounds like Putin
I guess some might call Miller a savvy genius.
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Apples to oranges.
Lute Olson coached Arizona 24 seasons. The last coach to have a winning overall record at Arizona prior to him was Fred Enke. Fred’s last winning season was the 1952-1953 season.
Olson won 11 league titles. 4 Final Fours. National Title. Made the NCAA Tourney 2nd weekend 11 times. Finished top 3 in the league 21 times. 23 NCAA Tourney appearances.
Fine. Olsen’s last 10 years he made the second weekend 5 times, 3 E8s, a S16 and the runner up. 3 outright conference titles and a shared title.
In the 10 seasons after his initial rebuilding season, Miller also made 5 second weekends (3 E8s and 2 S16). He had 4 outright conference titles and 1 shared.
The idea that Miller’s performance was some sort of step down, literally only apart from a F4, is just patently false.
He was a bold and unrepentant cheater, that’s true. But pretending it was about substandard results is just revisionist BS
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Fine. Olsen’s last 10 years he made the second weekend 5 times, 3 E8s, a S16 and the runner up. 3 outright conference titles and a shared title.
In the 10 seasons after his initial rebuilding season, Miller also made 5 second weekends (3 E8s and 2 S16). He had 4 outright conference titles and 1 shared.
The idea that Miller’s performance was some sort of step down, literally only apart from a F4, is just patently false.
He was a bold and unrepentant cheater, that’s true. But pretending it was about substandard results is just revisionist BS
Yep. And he would probably have a final four if he didn't run into UW twice in the E8. That was a terrible matchup for them both years.
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Fine. Olsen’s last 10 years he made the second weekend 5 times, 3 E8s, a S16 and the runner up. 3 outright conference titles and a shared title.
In the 10 seasons after his initial rebuilding season, Miller also made 5 second weekends (3 E8s and 2 S16). He had 4 outright conference titles and 1 shared.
The idea that Miller’s performance was some sort of step down, literally only apart from a F4, is just patently false.
He was a bold and unrepentant cheater, that’s true. But pretending it was about substandard results is just revisionist BS
You are also twice missing the big difference of building something from nothing, let alone listing the reat of the above accomplishments there.
I haven’t yet even mentioned Miller’s name until now. Your initial post tried to somehow compare 3 elite eights to 7 elite eights between the two coaches. But that clearly wasn’t giving a full representation to Olson.
A more productive path would be perhaps to avoid comparing Miller to Olson when advocating for Miller’s results.
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You are also twice missing the big difference of building something from nothing, let alone listing the reat of the above accomplishments there.
I haven’t yet even mentioned Miller’s name until now. Your initial post tried to somehow compare 3 elite eights to 7 elite eights between the two coaches. But that clearly wasn’t giving a full representation to Olson.
A more productive path would be perhaps to avoid comparing Miller to Olson when advocating for Miller’s results.
Good lord you love to “well actually” argue for the sake of arguing.
It totally matters cause Miller’s performance was more or less exceptional by any metric, unless a fan base has expectations set by a previous coach. And hence why I mentioned the end of Olsen’s tenure where the program was built and thriving.
Congrats on that big W for Moser last night. A moment of pride for all totally impartial St Louisans
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As an Arizona alum friend of mine said about Miller; "He's a cheater, a liar, arrogant about his cheating and lying and can't win in the NCAA, we need to move on from him". AZ did roughly a year after that statement.
is it possible should AZ win the title this year, they’ll have to vacate it once the ncaa is done with them?
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is it possible should AZ win the title this year, they’ll have to vacate it once the ncaa is done with them?
No
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Fine. Olsen’s last 10 years he made the second weekend 5 times, 3 E8s, a S16 and the runner up. 3 outright conference titles and a shared title.
In the 10 seasons after his initial rebuilding season, Miller also made 5 second weekends (3 E8s and 2 S16). He had 4 outright conference titles and 1 shared.
The idea that Miller’s performance was some sort of step down, literally only apart from a F4, is just patently false.
But aren't you comparing the best 10 years of Miller's tenure with the waning years of Olson's, only to reach the conclusion that Miller's was still worse, just not vastly worse?
Obvioisly Lute had a much longer run at Arizona, but judging by only his final 10 years, as opposed to something like the middle 10, allows you to eliminate other Final Four trips and a national title in making this comparison.
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Good lord you love to “well actually” argue for the sake of arguing.
It totally matters cause Miller’s performance was more or less exceptional by any metric, unless a fan base has expectations set by a previous coach. And hence why I mentioned the end of Olsen’s tenure where the program was built and thriving.
Congrats on that big W for Moser last night. A moment of pride for all totally impartial St Louisans
You are taking something simple, and making it much more difficult. Instead of simply advocating for Sean Miller, you made it a comparison between Sean Miller and Lute Olson. And in that apples to oranges comparison, Miller is going to come up short. Instead, you double and triple downed about it, and then gaslighted to change the subject.
Oh, and it’s Olson by the way, not Olsen. After 3 different posts, perhaps it’s more than just a typo.
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Wheeeee
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But aren't you comparing the best 10 years of Miller's tenure with the waning years of Olson's, only to reach the conclusion that Miller's was still worse, just not vastly worse?
Obvioisly Lute had a much longer run at Arizona, but judging by only his final 10 years, as opposed to something like the middle 10, allows you to eliminate other Final Four trips and a national title in making this comparison.
I'm not in any way trying to diminish Lute's tenure. He built something absolutely remarkable. I was solely trying to speak to White Trash's anecdote about his Zona friend saying that Miller didn't win enough in the NCAAs, so thats why they were ready to be done with him. Miller had more second weekend appearances in that 10 year run than many good coaches have in a career.
I don't think anyone is trying to equate Sean Miller to an absolute legend like Lute, but he certainly didn't have Zona falling off in any way the majority of his tenure (at least purely on the court)
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This is odd. I didn't know Lute had STL connections.
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I'm not in any way trying to diminish Lute's tenure. He built something absolutely remarkable. I was solely trying to speak to White Trash's anecdote about his Zona friend saying that Miller didn't win enough in the NCAAs, so thats why they were ready to be done with him. Miller had more second weekend appearances in that 10 year run than many good coaches have in a career.
I don't think anyone is trying to equate Sean Miller to an absolute legend like Lute, but he certainly didn't have Zona falling off in any way the majority of his tenure (at least purely on the court)
Plus, Lute cheated, too
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Plus, Lute cheated, too
I thought they pretty much all cheat.
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I thought they pretty much all cheat.
Except Greg Gard
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Except Greg Gard
Its the getting caught that Miller should be ridiculed for. Coach K and St Greg wouldn’t let that happen.
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Its the getting caught that Miller should be ridiculed for. Coach K and St Greg wouldn’t let that happen.
Coach K has fall guys, he’s no dummy
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He also goes into the market with zero winning conference seasons and zero tournament appearances in four years.
Between 1986 and 2018, X never missed back-to-back tournaments. Under Steele, they missed four straight.
Coach Steele Will have to go down a conference level or maybe two. A couple of openings in A-10. He may have to go down to the MAC.
Steele is a similar to Wojo in that he could bring in talent, but had a struggles putting it together to compete like the Xavier faithful demand given the resources the school has.
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Coach Steele Will have to go down a conference level or maybe two. A couple of openings in A-10. He may have to go down to the MAC.
Steele is a similar to Wojo in that he could bring in talent, but had a struggles putting it together to compete like the Xavier faithful demand given the resources the school has.
I’d be fairly surprised to see him get a A-10 job. But MAC probably makes sense given his Indiana/Ohio roots.
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Coach Steele Will have to go down a conference level or maybe two. A couple of openings in A-10. He may have to go down to the MAC.
Steele is a similar to Wojo in that he could bring in talent, but had a struggles putting it together to compete like the Xavier faithful demand given the resources the school has.
Yep. Well said Herman.
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When it comes to NCAA infractions, something tells me once Xavier hires Sean Miller, everything will be just fine...just fine.
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2017/9/19/di-infractions-committee-welcomes-new-chair.aspx
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Heard Sean Miller was on Xs campus yesterday, fwiw. May be helping with search though. He was at a game earlier in the year as well.
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When it comes to NCAA infractions, something tells me once Xavier hires Sean Miller, everything will be just fine...just fine.
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2017/9/19/di-infractions-committee-welcomes-new-chair.aspx
Oh my. That will be a really bad look for the NCAA (and Xavier) if they hire Miller. Not that it will matter.
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Oh my. That will be a really bad look for the NCAA (and Xavier) if they hire Miller. Not that it will matter.
Schools are looking at the success of Auburn and Houston right now and are realizing that past recruiting violations don't matter - hire a coach who is going to win. Fans don't care when there's no identifiable "victim".
The only scandals that seem to matter to a coach's career nowadays are either salacious (Bo Ryan, Pitino, heck Tyler Summit), or involve a cover-up of serious crimes by players (Baylor back in the day). I know it is beating a dead horse, but I don't think Buzz would have survived at any school had the 2010-2011 scandals happened even a few years later, and certainly not today.
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Buzz should not have survived back then. Marquette's moral compass was a bit off during Brent's tenure. Mack back at XU would make things kind of interesting. He is a good coach. As others have pointed out in this thread, he just got caught.
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Archie is likely going to Rhode Island.. that’s a good spot for him. One of the few A10 school someone can recruit at
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Criminal activity and academic fraud are the only things that really move the needle now. Paying athletes ... meh. And as we saw with UNC, even academic fraud doesn't matter at a lot of places.
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Ben Howland out at Mississippi State.
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Schools are looking at the success of Auburn and Houston right now and are realizing that past recruiting violations don't matter - hire a coach who is going to win. Fans don't care when there's no identifiable "victim".
The only scandals that seem to matter to a coach's career nowadays are either salacious (Bo Ryan, Pitino, heck Tyler Summit), or involve a cover-up of serious crimes by players (Baylor back in the day). I know it is beating a dead horse, but I don't think Buzz would have survived at any school had the 2010-2011 scandals happened even a few years later, and certainly not today.
Tom Izzo says hi
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Ben Howland out at Mississippi State.
And another one from the Class of 2014 bites the dust.
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And another one from the Class of 2014 bites the dust.
While Howland was available in 2014, he's technically class of 2015.
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While Howland was available in 2014, he's technically class of 2015.
To me, Class of 2014 means all those who were candidates (real or imagined) for the MU job after Buzz left to find happy elsewhere.
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Sounds like Sean Miller to South Carolina
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Archie Miller indeed winds up at Rhode Island.
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@GaryParrishCBS: San Francisco’s Todd Golden will be the next coach at Florida. He previously worked in the SEC as an assistant on Bruce Pearl’s staff at Auburn.
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@GaryParrishCBS: San Francisco’s Todd Golden will be the next coach at Florida. He previously worked in the SEC as an assistant on Bruce Pearl’s staff at Auburn.
Wow, good for Golden. No idea how this one will work out.
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Wow, good for Golden. No idea how this one will work out.
Florida fired Mike White for Golden? Yikes. Very mediocre record against the WCC best and leaves after his seniors are graduating.
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Wow, good for Golden. No idea how this one will work out.
Florida is a curiosity. With their history, you'd think look for more proven coaches than Golden or White.
Although it is Florida, so I suspect most of their fans would rather see the basketball coach's salary spent on football recruiting or tackling dummies.
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Florida fired Mike White for Golden? Yikes. Very mediocre record against the WCC best and leaves after his seniors are graduating.
Florida did not fire Mike White. He left on his own for Georgia, as he was going to be on the hot seat at Florida next year. I know of at least one other SEC school that had interest in Golden, among other places.
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Florida did not fire Mike White. He left on his own for Georgia, as he was going to be on the hot seat at Florida next year. I know of at least one other SEC school that had interest in Golden, among other places.
I'll amend - Florida strongly encouraged Mike White to take any job possible to avoid a buyout.
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Milwaukee hires former MU DBO Bart Lundy as head coach.
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Milwaukee hires former MU DBO Bart Lundy as head coach.
One of Buzz guys . Will be interesting to see how he does.
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@GaryParrishCBS: San Francisco’s Todd Golden will be the next coach at Florida. He previously worked in the SEC as an assistant on Bruce Pearl’s staff at Auburn.
Steve Lavin was interested in that USF job before, maybe he will apply for the opening.
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Milwaukee hires former MU DBO Bart Lundy as head coach.
Not a flashy hire (not that it would happen at UWM anyways) but seems like a pretty good get given the circumstances
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Not a flashy hire (not that it would happen at UWM anyways) but seems like a pretty good get given the circumstances
Yeah he has done a lot of great work at two stints at Queens College in Charlotte. Didn't do great at High Point when he had his first D1 gig. Hopefully it works for him now.
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Yeah he has done a lot of great work at two stints at Queens College in Charlotte. Didn't do great at High Point when he had his first D1 gig. Hopefully it works for him now.
Yea he had no really high level experience before that. Hopefully he learned some stuff with Buzz and then with Benford at UNT.
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One of Buzz guys . Will be interesting to see how he does.
Lundy was 333-103 made seven consecutive trips to the NCAA Division II tournament.
Queens finished 30-4 this season.
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Wow, good for Golden. No idea how this one will work out.
Great hire. Billy's buddy
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Given that random tourney upsets is what seem to get mid major coaches promotions, Colgate might need to pull this off, but that being said, surprised Matt Langel doesn’t get more looks. He took over a moribund program that has done literally nothing except for the fluke years with Adonal Foyle and won the Patriot League 4 years in a row. And he’s only 44. Really impressive
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Safe to say Willard is gone: "When I get home tomorrow I will discuss things with my agent. I'll be honest: If I'm not here next year, if Shaheen Holloway is here, that would be the happiest thing that ever happened to me."
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Safe to say Willard is gone: "When I get home tomorrow I will discuss things with my agent. I'll be honest: If I'm not here next year, if Shaheen Holloway is here, that would be the happiest thing that ever happened to me."
I think my head would explode as a Maryland fan going from Mark Turgeon to Kevin Willard. Yuck
A complete downgrade.
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Safe to say Willard is gone: "When I get home tomorrow I will discuss things with my agent. I'll be honest: If I'm not here next year, if Shaheen Holloway is here, that would be the happiest thing that ever happened to me."
He's gone. I don't remember Seton Hall winning a tournament game under him but I'm getting older every day.
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Someone will have to explain this move from a Maryland perspective. If I were a Terrapins fan, I’d be pretty meh. Their move to the Big Ten has really been an abject failure outside the bank account
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Someone will have to explain this move from a Maryland perspective. If I were a Terrapins fan, I’d be pretty meh. Their move to the Big Ten has really been an abject failure outside the bank account
He was proven option at the BE level. Will he be like Mack? Who knows. But other options were likely assistants or mid majors. Those can sound good but also unknowns.
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Pete Thamel reported last night that former Marquette grad assistant Dennis Gates is the leading candidate at Mizzou. Thamel has a strong reporting track record.
The rumored other candidates were Todd Golden, Matt McMahon, Kim English.
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He was proven option at the BE level. Will he be like Mack? Who knows. But other options were likely assistants or mid majors. Those can sound good but also unknowns.
I guess. I just don’t think he has a high ceiling as a coach. Maryland should be a good job. Hard to believe they couldn’t find a better candidate
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Pete Thamel reported last night that former Marquette grad assistant Dennis Gates is the leading candidate at Mizzou. Thamel has a strong reporting track record.
The rumored other candidates were Todd Golden, Matt McMahon, Kim English.
Cuonzo Martin and Dennis Gates seem like the exact same coach. This does not seem smart. Gates teams can't shoot.
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Cuonzo Martin and Dennis Gates seem like the exact same coach. This does not seem smart. Gates teams can't shoot.
Have you watched the tournament? Shooting across the sport isn’t coached apparently
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Cuonzo Martin and Dennis Gates seem like the exact same coach. This does not seem smart. Gates teams can't shoot.
It was a bit of an eye brow raiser. But they believe Gates can and will recruit at a higher level than Zo, like he did at Florida State under Leonard Hamilton. If he can get players he can be successful. If not, no. (I realize that’s stating the obvious) Martin is one of the best people in the game, but it takes players to win.
Golden’s connection was Bruce Pearl. He played and coached under Pearl. Mizzou’s new AD was an Assoc. AD at Tennessee while Pearl was there. And she has heavy Bay Area connections.
Fun fact: Mizzou’s new AD hired the often talked about here, TJ Otzelberger, to UNLV. She has her own list, and they, like many others, used Eddie Fogler’s search firm.
The Gates connection is former Mizzou AD Mike Alden. He was an advisor to Cleveland State when they hired Gates. And, the above mentioned Bay Area connections.
If they wanted the popular vote, to sell tickets before they played a game, they would hire English. He of course recruited Kennedy Chandler to Tennessee etc…and if taking the long view, could be all that they would want in the eyes of many there.
Gates won’t move the initial interest needle with casual fans, but winning moves the needle. Some will say he won watered down Horizon titles etc…He may get his Power 6 chance.
Not a done deal yet but again, Thamel doesn’t usually go public with rumors. We’ll see.
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Rothstein reporting Xavier is closing in on Sean Miller as their next head coach. Good move by X
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One thing I forgot to mention regarding Gates is that his hire would require board approval.
It wouldn't likely be a problem. However as recently as a few years ago former Mizzou AD Jim Sterk wanted to hire Blake Anderson as their football coach, and, the board said no, try again. So they hired Eli Drinkwitz instead who had more board approval.
Former star Mizzou player, and long time college basketball analyst is on their board and beavily involved with all things at their school. I'm sure many will want English but I'd be surprised if Gates was their hire and it was turned down.
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Rothstein reporting Xavier is closing in on Sean Miller as their next head coach. Good move by X
Isn't he still being investigated?
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Isn't he still being investigated?
He is, but as we've seen with Kelvin Sampson and Bruce Pearl, sometimes you suck up the infractions as long as the guy will win on the other side.
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One thing I forgot to mention regarding Gates is that his hire would require board approval.
It wouldn't likely be a problem. However as recently as a few years ago former Mizzou AD Jim Sterk wanted to hire Blake Anderson as their football coach, and, the board said no, try again. So they hired Eli Drinkwitz instead who had more board approval.
Former star Mizzou player, and long time college basketball analyst is on their board and beavily involved with all things at their school. I'm sure many will want English but I'd be surprised if Gates was their hire and it was turned down.
Zo could recruit at that exact same level as gates did at FSU early in his career, if not better. Jarnel Stokes, Hubbs (who i think was injured), Jaylen Brown, Ivan Rabb, both Porter brothers. Aidan Shaw might be in this class in a few years.
They run a very similar style. Both are defense first guys. Their teams can't and don't shoot. This year. Cleveland St. is 278th in 3 point attempts making 32.6%. Missouri is 295th in 3 point attempts shooting 28.1%. Other than Zo's first year at mizzou his teams have never shot well. Dennis gates teams have never shot well.
It is just a straight retread. I don't know how to justify it if i were a mizzou fan.
I don't even think Gates would be a bad hire in a vacuum, its just a poor rehashing of something they just tried.
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If Xavier hires Sean Miller, and Seton Hall gets Halloway, the quality of BE coaches gets better and stronger IMO. Would be great for the league.
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IDK. I tend to think “going home again” doesn’t usually work. Ideally Miller would work at Xavier but there are enough red flags that I think it may end poorly.
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If Xavier hires Sean Miller, and Seton Hall gets Halloway, the quality of BE coaches gets better and stronger IMO. Would be great for the league.
Not a fan of Miller for obvious reasons. Maybe he'll turn over a new leaf. I believe most people deserve a second chance.
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Safe to say Willard is gone: "When I get home tomorrow I will discuss things with my agent. I'll be honest: If I'm not here next year, if Shaheen Holloway is here, that would be the happiest thing that ever happened to me."
THis is a good take:
https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2022/03/kevin-willard-botches-his-seton-hall-exit-with-classless-shaheen-holloway-endorsement-politi.html (https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2022/03/kevin-willard-botches-his-seton-hall-exit-with-classless-shaheen-holloway-endorsement-politi.html)
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THis is a good take:
https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2022/03/kevin-willard-botches-his-seton-hall-exit-with-classless-shaheen-holloway-endorsement-politi.html (https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2022/03/kevin-willard-botches-his-seton-hall-exit-with-classless-shaheen-holloway-endorsement-politi.html)
Willard looking absolutely terrible throughout this entire process. His comments exemplify someone extremely undeserving of any sort of a promotion.
Hard to get excited about this as a Maryland fan.
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Shocking that Willard is acting like a clown on his way out.
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Willard looking absolutely terrible throughout this entire process. His comments exemplify someone extremely undeserving of any sort of a promotion.
Hard to get excited about this as a Maryland fan.
What a freaking loser. He epitomizes the definition of douchebaggery.
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What a freaking loser. He epitomizes the definition of douchebaggery.
I really hope Maryland hires someone else and the moron is left to deal with his own mess at SHU.
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He is, but as we've seen with Kelvin Sampson and Bruce Pearl, sometimes you suck up the infractions as long as the guy will win on the other side.
This.
To me, the big question would be if Miller really would be all-in on X or if he would have his eye on the next "huge" job. But I guess you don't get the next huge job if you don't do great at X, so even that's a win-win.
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Per Goodman, Miller to X is done: BREAKING: Sean Miller has agreed to a deal to return to Xavier, source told @Stadium.
The ex-Arizona coach spent 5 season as the head coach of Musketeers from 2004-09 and went to four NCAA tourneys — including an Elite Eight in 2008.
Miller chose Xavier over South Carolina.
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Xavier will be a force with miller.
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This.
To me, the big question would be if Miller really would be all-in on X or if he would have his eye on the next "huge" job. But I guess you don't get the next huge job if you don't do great at X, so even that's a win-win.
The guy should be humbled after the Zona situation. Xavier is a damn good job.
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Sheesh.
Anyone still teach their kids that cheaters never prosper?
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The guy should be humbled after the Zona situation. Xavier is a damn good job.
Yep. He had 5 good years there before. I bet he has success again at X. Solid program
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THis is a good take:
https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2022/03/kevin-willard-botches-his-seton-hall-exit-with-classless-shaheen-holloway-endorsement-politi.html (https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2022/03/kevin-willard-botches-his-seton-hall-exit-with-classless-shaheen-holloway-endorsement-politi.html)
Isn’t St Peter’s the school that gave us Bob Dukiet?
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Ah yeah, and the former van driver at Gannon College too. Thank you Hank, hey?
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This.
To me, the big question would be if Miller really would be all-in on X or if he would have his eye on the next "huge" job. But I guess you don't get the next huge job if you don't do great at X, so even that's a win-win.
What's the next "huge" job him? He's 53 and already made a ton of money, if we was looking for the next huge job I think South Carolina would make more sense than X.
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For the sake of the Big East, I hope Miller keeps his nose clean. The BE has a very good reputation, not perfect but very good.
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For the sake of the Big East, I hope Miller keeps his nose clean. The BE has a very good reputation, not perfect but very good.
From a conference perspective, I don’t think it matters that much. I hope Xavier becomes a team that MU fans hate and circle on the calendar as a can’t miss game. That’s what will benefit the Big East the most, imo. If a squeaky clean reputation matters, then every school should just hire a Wojo. I love the hire for them.
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What's the next "huge" job him? He's 53 and already made a ton of money, if we was looking for the next huge job I think South Carolina would make more sense than X.
Reasonable take, LAZER.
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From a conference perspective, I don’t think it matters that much. I hope Xavier becomes a team that MU fans hate and circle on the calendar as a can’t miss game. That’s what will benefit the Big East the most, imo. If a squeaky clean reputation matters, then every school should just hire a Wojo. I love the hire for them.
I just saw Sean Miller comments and it was along the lines up "I turned down South Carolina because I wanted to coach in The Big East."
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I want a rivalry and a clean program. The reputation does matter to me. I think we can have both.
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Per Norlander, South Carolina offered Miller a million more annually, but he really wanted Xavier and the Big East. It is expected be gets suspended a number of games next season for his role in the Arizona scandal, but nothing extravagant. Wonder if he hires Matta as his lead assistant (and interim HC)? Miller was Matta's lead assistant when both were at X.
Between this and Holloway likely getting hired at SH, the Big East has made the biggest splash thus far with coaching hires. It is good for the conference, especially with a new Fox deal approaching in the next 12-24 months.
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Matta is never going back to xavier
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I like the Sean Miller hire . Good to have Another quality coach in The Big East .
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Mississippi State hires Chris Jans from New Mexico State.
Interesting choice. Has never coached at a P6 program or in the South.
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Mississippi State hires Chris Jans from New Mexico State.
Interesting choice. Has never coached at a P6 program or in the South.
He really redeemed himself at NMSU after getting fired at Bowling Green for being really drunk at a bar and hitting on student athletes from another school.
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Mississippi State hires Chris Jans from New Mexico State.
Interesting choice. Has never coached at a P6 program or in the South.
I assume you mean "deep south", because technically NM State is father south than MS State. Regardless, yes, that does seem like a gamble, and like picking a coach from the most popular TikTok video today.
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Jans is a great coach, but definitely some baggage. He would've been high major years ago if not for the BG mess.
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He really redeemed himself at NMSU after getting fired at Bowling Green for being really drunk at a bar and hitting on student athletes from another school.
Is that wrong? Asking for a friend.
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Sounds like Sean Miller to South Carolina
Sean is the crook, yes?
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He really redeemed himself at NMSU after getting fired at Bowling Green for being really drunk at a bar and hitting on student athletes from another school.
From what I heard at the time, it was far from his first time being creepy at bars. And it wasn’t just hitting on students, it was groping.
There were also some rumblings that he said some racially inappropriate stuff on the regular.
That being said, he’s won at every level and can really coach
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From what I heard at the time, it was far from his first time being creepy at bars. And it wasn’t just hitting on students, it was groping.
There were also some rumblings that he said some racially inappropriate stuff on the regular.
That being said, he’s won at every level and can really coach
Save this for freezing cold takes but I think this will end spectacularly bad
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5 years, $22 Million for Willard at Maryland.
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5 years, $22 Million for Willard at Maryland.
I would get this move if Maryland needed a complete program rebuild, like Georgetown, but they need a win it all now type of coach, and Kevin Willard certainly isn't that. One NCAA tourney win in 12 years at SHU, 0 Sweet 16s. It is just an odd move to pay him $4 million a year.
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It’s just so bizarre. He’s got no connection to Maryland, the area, or the B10. Of your entire pool, that’s the dude you’ve been locked in on for seemingly months?!
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It’s just so bizarre. He’s got no connection to Maryland, the area, or the B10. Of your entire pool, that’s the dude you’ve been locked in on for seemingly months?!
My guess is that they swung at larger names, completely whiffed, and settled on him because they wanted an established coach.
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My guess is that they swung at larger names, completely whiffed, and settled on him because they wanted an established coach.
I wouldn't put it beyond the Maryland administration to do something completely short-sighted and stupid, but if they wanted an established coach who could keep the program competitive but not take it over the top, they already had Mark Turgeon. Either shoot for the moon or hold in my book.
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Save this for freezing cold takes but I think this will end spectacularly bad
Yeah this gives me good old fashioned SEC "athletic department folks fired after lawsuit they improperly handled allegations against head basketball coach" vibes.
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Sounds like Dennis Gates to Mizzou.
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Sounds like Dennis Gates to Mizzou.
I like Gates. I hope he does well there.
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To me, Class of 2014 means all those who were candidates (real or imagined) for the MU job after Buzz left to find happy elsewhere.
Coack K retiring, there's one off of the Class of 2014 imagined list.
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Willard makes no sense to me for a few reasons.
1. He's not a monster recruiter. Dude got Whitehead, but not many other marquee recruits, so it's not like he runs a talent factory.
2. He doesn't have a great track record. 1 NCAA win, 1 BET win, 1 shared Big East regular season title. Is that even better than Turgeon?
3. He isn't a rebuild artist. 3 years at Iona to take a team 1 year removed from a NCAA berth to 3rd place in the MAAC, then needed 6 years to get SHU into the Dance after nearly being fired after year 5.
Nothing about him screams "we gotta get this guy now" which is how Maryland treated it. I'm sure they had this deal in place weeks if not months ago, but it feels very uninspired.
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It's interesting that just a year ago Gates and Golden were both tagged with "not yet ready for a high major job" tags. But, here they are both landing SEC gigs. The LSU hire will be one to watch.
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Consider the source and all that... but LaVall on the hotseat? https://twitter.com/CoachingChanges/status/1505911233505017859
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7am Board approval meeting tomorrow at Mizzou for Dennis Gates. (They have to give 24 hrs notice for a board meeting)
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7am Board approval meeting tomorrow at Mizzou for Dennis Gates. (They have to give 24 hrs notice for a board meeting)
I think Mizzu is a good job. SEC money, good facilities and as my mother-in-law (a proud Mizzu alum) likes to say, if you have a pulse, Mizzu will take you.
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Article on Willard:
https://nypost.com/2022/03/21/kevin-willard-leaving-seton-hall-for-maryland/
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Article on Willard:
https://nypost.com/2022/03/21/kevin-willard-leaving-seton-hall-for-maryland/
Has it been mentioned the Saint Peter’s Coach who played at Seton Hall might be the new Seton Hall coach
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Has it been mentioned the Saint Peter’s Coach who played at Seton Hall might be the new Seton Hall coach
No. I thought Butch Lee’s son was coaching St. Peter’s
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Consider the source and all that... but LaVall on the hotseat? https://twitter.com/CoachingChanges/status/1505911233505017859
Maybe they see Xavier & Seton Hall changes and admin is thinking they should get in on that.
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Maybe they see Xavier & Seton Hall changes and admin is thinking they should get in on that.
Butler is getting Brad Stevens back. If Xavier can get Miller back, why not?
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Maybe they see Xavier & Seton Hall changes and admin is thinking they should get in on that.
Maybe they've watched Butler basketball for the last couple seasons.
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No. I thought Butch Lee’s son was coaching St. Peter’s
He plays for St. Peter's.
"Saint Peter's is the Cinderella of this season's NCAA Tournament and 6-foot junior point guard Matthew Lee is one of the Peacocks' key players. He's the son of MU legend Butch Lee, who led the then-Warriors to the 1977 NCAA championship. The 65-year-old Butch was in Indianapolis to witness 15th-seeded Saint Peter's advance to the Sweet 16 by ..."
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Murray State's Matt McMahon takes the LSU job. Will be interesting to see what, if any, fallout comes from the Will Wade situation.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/lsu-to-hire-matt-mcmahon-tigers-program-turns-to-murray-state-coach-after-firing-will-wade/
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If I'm a Seton Hall fan I'm thrilled Maryland takes Willard, and I'm guessing they didn't try very hard to keep him. Take Holloway off of a strong NCAA run and hope his abilities, along with his current popularity, spring into some NCAA wins for Seton Hall and that he sees it as his "forever" job.
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If I'm a Seton Hall fan I'm thrilled Maryland takes Willard, and I'm guessing they didn't try very hard to keep him. Take Holloway off of a strong NCAA run and hope his abilities, along with his current popularity, spring into some NCAA wins for Seton Hall and that he sees it as his "forever" job.
I'm sure that's their hope, but it is still risky. Willard is their winningest coach in terms of both raw wins and win percentage since the 1950s. He's accounted for more than a third of the program's all-time NCAA appearances. One of two coaches to win a conference regular season title, one of two to win a Big East tourney title, when it comes to their coaching Mount Rushmore, he's right there with PJ Carlesimo and Honey Russell. Now maybe Holloway continues or elevates that, but that program wasn't in great shape when he arrived and it's entirely possible it goes right back there.
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Surprised that MD went with Willard. Since the DMV (District, Maryland, Virginia) is a fertile ground for outstanding recruits, the talk was that a coach who had ties to the area would be selected. MD and even Georgetown are tired of the star local recruits bypassing and going to Duke, Nova, UNC, others and even MU with Lewis.
So many over the past few years, too many to even mention.
After Turgeon retired, some alumni wanted Coppin State coach Juan Dixon, the former MD star who has ties to the AAU circuits, Mike Brey from ND who is a Dematha HS guy (too old) and Kim English. Willard came out of nowhere, and it will be interesting to observe how he recruits the local talent.
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Seton Hall should give Raftery another chance.
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After Turgeon retired, some alumni wanted Coppin State coach Juan Dixon, the former MD star who has ties to the AAU circuits, Mike Brey from ND who is a Dematha HS guy (too old) and Kim English. Willard came out of nowhere, and it will be interesting to observe how he recruits the local talent.
This is WILD to me. I get that he's a Maryland legend and the heart and soul of that 2002 team, but he's done NOTHING as a head coach. I get Coppin State isn't an easy place to win, but in 5 seasons as a HC there and 1 as a D2 womens HC, he's won more than 10 games TOTAL...once. His resume is thin to get the job at UMBC, much less Maryland, regardless of who he was as a player
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Seton Hall should give Raftery another chance.
I laughed my ass off. My wife then knew it had to be a great post and came over to read it. Kudos!
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Rumor: Murray State's Matt Mc Mahon to LSU.
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Seton Hall should give Raftery another chance.
His oversized Pepsi cup will be 80% booze.
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Rumor: Murray State's Matt Mc Mahon to LSU.
Not a rumor. See above.
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Would be great if Shaheen Holloway got the Seton Hall job
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Yeah, just ask complete d-bag Kevin m Willard who can't stop talking about Holloway even though his team is still playing and his staff and players are trying to focus on Purdue rather than their own impending unemployment or their coach leaving.
Good riddance to Willard. He puts the ass in class.
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Seton Hall is a pretty crappy program. Are they sure Holloway can’t do better than them?
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Who's considered to be slimier, Sean Miller or Bruce Pearl??
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Who's considered to be slimier, Sean Miller or Bruce Pearl??
Pearl by a mile.
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Who's considered to be slimier, Sean Miller or Bruce Pearl??
Bruce Pearl literally stole a eulogy at a funeral.
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Who's considered to be slimier, Sean Miller or Bruce Pearl??
Pearl pic next to "slime" in Webster's, but Miller is literally a piece of crap. NCAA is so weak. I literally cannot believe either one of these clowns are able to coach.
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Pearl by a mile.
Book Richardson served jail time and is now a convicted felon and certainly won't coach in college basketball ever again. He was Miller's assistant for 10 years. Miller has to be taking care of him, right?
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Who's considered to be slimier, Sean Miller or Bruce Pearl??
Close call but I say Miller.
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Bruce by a mile.
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Lamont Paris to South Carolina. Former Badger
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Seton Hall is a pretty crappy program. Are they sure Holloway can’t do better than them?
Like where? Coaches usually don’t go from the MAAC to the BE. That’s actually quite a step up but the only reason he’s being considered is due to his connections with the school.
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Lamont Paris to South Carolina. Former Badger
He was the one responsible for pulling in a lot of UW’s out of state talent back in the day.
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Like where? Coaches usually don’t go from the MAAC to the BE. That’s actually quite a step up but the only reason he’s being considered is due to his connections with the school.
Ed Cooley and Kevin Willard beg to differ.
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Ed Cooley and Kevin Willard beg to differ.
Those are good points.
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Dennis Gates was board approved. He has a Noon press conference.
This was an article from one of their beat writers with multiple Marquette references, growing up in Garfield Park etc…and how Gates, Quentin Richardson, and Cordell Henry all agreed to attend Marquette University together, but only Henry ended up there. Several Ben Braun quotes too.
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/how-dennis-gates-rise-from-chicago-prep-guard-to-cal-freshman-captain-leads-him-to/article_618c9e14-0e11-587f-b596-40369d9af58d.html
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Who's considered to be slimier, Sean Miller or Bruce Pearl??
push, and there’s stank on Bill Self too
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Like where? Coaches usually don’t go from the MAAC to the BE. That’s actually quite a step up but the only reason he’s being considered is due to his connections with the school.
All the public comments certainly make it look like these were both done ages ago. Willard knew he had Maryland and was leaving, and also knew Holloway was replacing him and has been shouting it to the rafters. With the SEC all done, I'm not sure what other jobs would be more attractive, but it would be hilarious if something like Ohio State came open and took Holloway away from SHU. I'm not sure I would ever stop laughing.
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Those are good points.
Ha ! Just giving you a hard time. It is a huge jump but when you said it, I had to check because I knew where Willard came from and was pretty sure about Cooley.
Coooley like Holloway is an alma mater hire and Willard is extremely well connected to skip a couple levels.
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Ha ! Just giving you a hard time. It is a huge jump but when you said it, I had to check because I knew where Willard came from and was pretty sure about Cooley.
Coooley like Holloway is an alma mater hire and Willard is extremely well connected to skip a couple levels.
Plus, Holloway was on the Seton Hall staff for 8 years. In a lot of ways, it’s like promoting from within
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Ha ! Just giving you a hard time. It is a huge jump but when you said it, I had to check because I knew where Willard came from and was pretty sure about Cooley.
Coooley like Holloway is an alma mater hire and Willard is extremely well connected to skip a couple levels.
Cooley is from Providence, but he didn't go to PC. He went to a D2 school in Boston.
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Cooley is from Providence, but he didn't go to PC. He went to a D2 school in Boston.
Wow - I always thought he was a PC guy.
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Tim Jankovich out at SMU. Grant McCasland expected to take the gig
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Tim Jankovich out at SMU. Grant McCasland expected to take the gig
Amazing what a difference a committee can make. SMU finishes just outside the NCAA field, a few more votes from Selection Committee members, they get in, Jankovich likely keeps his job. Tough break.
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Tim Jankovich out at SMU. Grant McCasland expected to take the gig
I think McCasland could end up being a very good hire. He could do a lot with SMU.
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Amazing what a difference a committee can make. SMU finishes just outside the NCAA field, a few more votes from Selection Committee members, they get in, Jankovich likely keeps his job. Tough break.
Reading this thread also makes it obvious to me that the NCAA tourney is a boon for mid-major coaches that put in a respectable showing.
Separately, I'm confounded by the number of "alumi" hires lately. It's one thing to hire an alum that has gone on to become a good coach, quite another to gamble on one just because he's an alum.
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Reading this thread also makes it obvious to me that the NCAA tourney is a boon for mid-major coaches that put in a respectable showing.
Separately, I'm confounded by the number of "alumi" hires lately. It's one thing to hire an alum that has gone on to become a good coach, quite another to gamble on one just because he's an alum.
On the alumni hiring, I think there is a lot of "he knows us and won't leave us" type of thinking. (But of course we will fire him at a moment's notice.)
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On the alumni hiring, I think there is a lot of "he knows us and won't leave us" type of thinking. (But of course we will fire him at a moment's notice.)
Well, except for Georgetown.
I also wonder if the ability to have success at non-traditional schools is making it tougher to poach good coaches. Once a good coach has a high-major team having success, other than a few blue bloods, it may not be any easier to succeed at what once was perceived as a step up.
I kind of wonder if Crean/IU decision was made in today’s environment, would he have stayed and continued to build up Marquette. In some ways, a lot of the lateral moves lately are guys getting ahead of a firing more than anything else.
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On the alumni hiring, I think there is a lot of "he knows us and won't leave us" type of thinking. (But of course we will fire him at a moment's notice.)
If this were true, Georgetown would already have their new coach.
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If this were true, Georgetown would already have their new coach.
I think they haven't fired him because of the extension they gave him last year more than anything.
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Reading this thread also makes it obvious to me that the NCAA tourney is a boon for mid-major coaches that put in a respectable showing.
Separately, I'm confounded by the number of "alumi" hires lately. It's one thing to hire an alum that has gone on to become a good coach, quite another to gamble on one just because he's an alum.
The more I've seen, the less I want us to go that route. Chris Mullen and Patrick Ewing show how ugly those breakups can be. I'm sure it will be great for Seton Hall if Shaheen Holloway works out, but what if he doesn't? He'll be a lot harder to fire than a non-alum. Memphis looked like a roiling clusterf**k before Penny turned things around this year. I get that there are warm and fuzzies from winning the initial press conference with a beloved alumni, but it seems like unless it goes spectacularly well, it's probably all downhill from there.
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The more I've seen, the less I want us to go that route. Chris Mullen and Patrick Ewing show how ugly those breakups can be. I'm sure it will be great for Seton Hall if Shaheen Holloway works out, but what if he doesn't? He'll be a lot harder to fire than a non-alum. Memphis looked like a roiling clusterf**k before Penny turned things around this year. I get that there are warm and fuzzies from winning the initial press conference with a beloved alumni, but it seems like unless it goes spectacularly well, it's probably all downhill from there.
Just my opinion, but its different when you hire the GOAT at your school versus an good to average player. It's not like Seton Hall is trying to hire Myles Powell.
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Just my opinion, but its different when you hire the GOAT at your school versus an good to average player. It's not like Seton Hall is trying to hire Myles Powell.
He might not be Terry Dehere (vastly superior to Powell in every way), but Holloway was the McDonald's All-American Game MVP that picked Seton Hall over Duke. A four-year starter that averaged 13.7 ppg/5.9 apg while leading them to their last Sweet 16. Holloway might not be the GOAT, but he's probably one of the ten best to ever play at SHU and without question the best former Pirate in the coaching game.
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He might not be Terry Dehere (vastly superior to Powell in every way), but Holloway was the McDonald's All-American Game MVP that picked Seton Hall over Duke. A four-year starter that averaged 13.7 ppg/5.9 apg while leading them to their last Sweet 16. Holloway might not be the GOAT, but he's probably one of the ten best to ever play at SHU and without question the best former Pirate in the coaching game.
Stats like Wardle. I would have no problem if we had hired Wardle and he sucked like Ewing.
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Stats like Wardle. I would have no problem if we had hired Wardle and he sucked like Ewing.
As players, I think Holloway is viewed vastly different from how we perceive Wardle. The S16 has a lot to do with that. I think if you're looking for a Marquette comparison in terms of how the fanbase regards Holloway, Doc Rivers is a better comparison. Beloved by the fanbase and while not necessarily the greatest ever, someone that is on the relative short-list.
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As players, I think Holloway is viewed vastly different from how we perceive Wardle. The S16 has a lot to do with that. I think if you're looking for a Marquette comparison in terms of how the fanbase regards Holloway, Doc Rivers is a better comparison. Beloved by the fanbase and while not necessarily the greatest ever, someone that is on the relative short-list.
I think Holloway has paid his dues where hiring him isn’t a look to the past like maybe Mullin and Ewing were. 8 years on the bench as an assistant and 3 year’s cutting his teeth at a tough gig.
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I think Holloway has paid his dues where hiring him isn’t a look to the past like maybe Mullin and Ewing were. 8 years on the bench as an assistant and 3 year’s cutting his teeth at a tough gig.
Ewing was an NBA assistant for 15 years so I don't think that was merely "a look to the past."
But Mullin was a not-very-good executive for the Warriors and Kings with no bench experience before coming to SJU.
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I think Holloway has paid his dues where hiring him isn’t a look to the past like maybe Mullin and Ewing were. 8 years on the bench as an assistant and 3 year’s cutting his teeth at a tough gig.
Sure. I'm not saying he won't be fine or won't succeed. I'm just saying that it's harder to part ways with him if it doesn't go well, or if he's only sort-of successful. The more alumni hires I see, the less attractive I think they are.
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Sure. I'm not saying he won't be fine or won't succeed. I'm just saying that it's harder to part ways with him if it doesn't go well, or if he's only sort-of successful. The more alumni hires I see, the less attractive I think they are.
This is the key. If Wojo was a Marquette alum, I guarantee he would still be our coach. Firing an alum who is an abject failure as a head coach isn't too bad. Dismissing a slight underperformer is a lot harder when your administration and fanbase love him from his playing days.
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Sure. I'm not saying he won't be fine or won't succeed. I'm just saying that it's harder to part ways with him if it doesn't go well, or if he's only sort-of successful. The more alumni hires I see, the less attractive I think they are.
Maybe. I know Holloway is a big deal at Seton Hall but it still isn’t the level of Ewing or Mullin.
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Maybe. I know Holloway is a big deal at Seton Hall but it still isn’t the level of Ewing or Mullin.
Correct...pro's and con's to everything...but you're also more likely to keep a successful coach if they are an alum.
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Correct...pro's and con's to everything...but you're also more likely to keep a successful coach if they are an alum.
If Wade became a coach at MU ( Wade has said he doesn't want to coach at any level) it would be hard to fire him.
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If Wade became a coach at MU ( Wade has said he doesn't want to coach at any level) it would be hard to fire him.
Will?
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Will?
No. Boggs
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If Wade became a coach at MU ( Wade has said he doesn't want to coach at any level) it would be hard to fire him.
Agreed. Holloway isn't quite on that level (Terry Dehere is still the GOAT at SHU) but he's akin to a Doc Rivers or Travis Diener type. Despite the lack of tourney success, Doc has a bit of an icon status here due to the success he's had after Marquette while Diener is still tied to success and his presence close to the program has had him continually beloved.
Holloway attained that both with the Sweet 16 run and by being a long-time assistant at SHU, coming in with Willard and helping recruit the 2014 class and coach the 2016 Big East Tourney winners. I get the attempts to connect him to Wardle, but Wardle doesn't resonate the same way with Marquette fans that Diener does or the way Holloway does at SHU.
If he wins, it isn't an issue, but if he's continually in the 6-8 range in the league he's the type that it would be harder to get rid of than if they hired someone like Darian DeVries or Paul Mills.
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With McMahon to LSU, the SEC has gone decidedly mid-major except the White hire.
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With McMahon to LSU, the SEC has gone decidedly mid-major except the White hire.
Any Wojo rumors yet....
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Agreed. Holloway isn't quite on that level (Terry Dehere is still the GOAT at SHU) but he's akin to a Doc Rivers or Travis Diener type. Despite the lack of tourney success, Doc has a bit of an icon status here due to the success he's had after Marquette while Diener is still tied to success and his presence close to the program has had him continually beloved.
Holloway attained that both with the Sweet 16 run and by being a long-time assistant at SHU, coming in with Willard and helping recruit the 2014 class and coach the 2016 Big East Tourney winners. I get the attempts to connect him to Wardle, but Wardle doesn't resonate the same way with Marquette fans that Diener does or the way Holloway does at SHU.
If he wins, it isn't an issue, but if he's continually in the 6-8 range in the league he's the type that it would be harder to get rid of than if they hired someone like Darian DeVries or Paul Mills.
Eh. I think it’s a good hire and they were not firing Willard even though he had topped out as an 6 to 8-seed type coach
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With McMahon to LSU, the SEC has gone decidedly mid-major except the White hire.
I'm really surprised they didn't go for a sitting P6 coach. Unless they inquired about a few and struck out.
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From the rumors I've heard, McMahon is not all that different than Will Wade.
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From the rumors I've heard, McMahon is not all that different than Will Wade.
NONE of these schools care about cheating. They care about getting caught and not winning enough. Or potentially sanctions that don't allow them to cheat.
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I'm really surprised they didn't go for a sitting P6 coach. Unless they inquired about a few and struck out.
Are you talking about the SEC in general or LSU specifically? I get the sense that LSU was getting a pass from many of the bigger names because there's so much uncertainty around the pending postseason ban.
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Any Wojo rumors yet....
More of a wojo job, UMass or New Mexico State?
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Eh. I think it’s a good hire and they were not firing Willard even though he had topped out as an 6 to 8-seed type coach
I'm not saying it isn't, but we won't know until we see what Holloway does. And I'm not talking 6-8 seed, I'm talking 6-8 in the league. The guy who's constantly on the bubble, always good enough to give a little hope but never good enough to give a lot of hope. Those are the guys that are tough to get rid of when there are emotional ties. Like I've said repeatedly, including in the post you quoted, if he wins it isn't an issue. But if he's in that gray area, it's harder with a beloved alum than it is with someone who doesn't have deep emotional ties to the fans and administration.
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Are you talking about the SEC in general or LSU specifically? I get the sense that LSU was getting a pass from many of the bigger names because there's so much uncertainty around the pending postseason ban.
That makes sense.
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If Wade became a coach at MU ( Wade has said he doesn't want to coach at any level) it would be hard to fire him.
I get that...and wasn't arguing that. Simply saying...if Wade was the coach of MU a con would be having to fire him if he sucked...but a pro would be he isn't likely to leave MU in a prick manner for IU.
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Hire the best guy for the job. If that's an alum, you worry about how firing him would look when it gets to that time. If it's not an alum, cool.
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Mark Schmidt might be taking the UMass job
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Mark Schmidt might be taking the UMass job
They most be giving him a nice raise, because that seems like a lateral move at best.
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They most be giving him a nice raise, because that seems like a lateral move at best.
Maybe doesn't want to deal with the rebuild since all five starters are seniors and he doesn't really play anyone else.
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Maybe doesn't want to deal with the rebuild since all five starters are seniors and he doesn't really play anyone else.
I think Mr. Schmidt was thinking he was going to have a much better season than he did and thought there were going to be P6 offers waiting for him this offseason. UMass may be the best that he can do.
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Maybe doesn't want to deal with the rebuild since all five starters are seniors and he doesn't really play anyone else.
Possible, but UMass looks like it need a significant rebuild too.
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Possible, but UMass looks like it need a significant rebuild too.
He’s grew up an hour and a half away. Maybe he just wants to be closer to home.
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UMASS gets him a reset
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Maybe doesn't want to deal with the rebuild since all five starters are seniors and he doesn't really play anyone else.
Good point. If you're gonna rebuild might as well get more money for it...assuming he's getting more.
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UMASS gets him a reset
Yep. His Bonnie's record is fine. Not great. He can cash a few years of big checks to set his retirement up well.
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Good point. If you're gonna rebuild might as well get more money for it...assuming he's getting more.
Better way to look at it as a contract extension.
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They most be giving him a nice raise, because that seems like a lateral move at best.
Amherst >>> Olean so there's that too
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Possible, but UMass looks like it need a significant rebuild too.
True, but might be easier with a clean slate. If they go from A-10 champs to NIT after starting ranked to bottom of the A-10, that looks a lot worse than taking over near the bottom and having time to work your way up. It does look like St. Bonaventure raised enough money to match the UMass offer, so it will be interesting to see if UMass counters or if he just makes the decision based on staying where he is probably comfortable vs starting over where he might get a longer leash.
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Pete Thamel is reporting that Frank Martin is the target at UMass.
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Frank Martin must have 9 lives …
But … he proves that any coach can ride a FF appearance to at least 2 jobs after the FF
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Frank Martin must have 9 lives …
But … he proves that any coach can ride a FF appearance to at least 2 jobs after the FF
??? He went to the Final Four with the last school he worked for. South Carolina.
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??? He went to the Final Four with the last school he worked for. South Carolina.
Clearly already expecting Frank Martin to get his dream Miami job in a few years.
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I don’t particularly care for Frank Martin, and current totally bald Martin kind of frightens me, but he was a well regarded assistant, did a good job at Kansas State…and then went to an absolute dead end job at South Carolina and still made a FF.
He shouldn’t be up for prime gigs, but he totally makes sense for a step down job. Especially given he spent 5 seasons in Boston and knows the area.
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Didn't see this one discussed here. Jerome Tang to Kansas State. Think he broke Wojo's record of most consecutive years as an assistant at the same school before being hired as a head coach
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Didn't see this one discussed here. Jerome Tang to Kansas State. Think he broke Wojo's record of most consecutive years as an assistant at the same school before being hired as a head coach
Speaking of which, Wojo hasn't even had a mention in any of those openings. I hope the NBA awaits him on Snyder's staff.
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Y, dey kneed a teem chef orr somethin', hey?
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Wojo should have taken the three or four jobs everyone was talking about a couple of years ago. New job is always a good thing for a HC, especially a poor one. You get a fat contract a longer lifeline. If Wojo was really a candidate for any of those jobs, he should have jumped on the fastest plane out of MKE and signed the contract.
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Wojo didn't get the UNLV job last year. Getting/applying for any job better than that one would be wild.
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Speaking of which, Wojo hasn't even had a mention in any of those openings. I hope the NBA awaits him on Snyder's staff.
The fact he hasn’t really been mentioned for jobs to me seems like he isn’t putting his name out there to writers either.
I think getting involved with the Jazz would be a great fit on a number of levels for him.
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Didn't see this one discussed here. Jerome Tang to Kansas State. Think he broke Wojo's record of most consecutive years as an assistant at the same school before being hired as a head coach
Relevant: https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/tm43ws/gif_war_tang_gang_baby/
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The fact he hasn’t really been mentioned for jobs to me seems like he isn’t putting his name out there to writers either.
I think getting involved with the Jazz would be a great fit on a number of levels for him.
He's not putting his name out there because he is sitting on a monster pile of cash.
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Frank Martin did a fairly good job at KSU, but ( to my point ) he did ZIP at South Carolina other than the FF.
If he wants a step down job I’m sure he can get one. And maybe even another one after that …
That said … who was a Worse “ analyst “ last weekend , him or Huggins ?
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Huggy Bear did not look like he was long for this world. That west virginia lifestyle is brutal.
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Huggy really did look like he just wanted to get back to his couch, his bourbon, and his cigarette.
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According to this article from NJ.com Kevin Willard is the favorite for the Maryland job. It is just a one sentence blurb down toward the end of the article about St. Pete's tournament run.
https://www.nj.com/sports/2022/03/saint-peters-is-the-greatest-cinderella-in-ncaa-tournament-history-politi.html
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Guess that’s what happens when you post a 4 day old article.
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According to this article from NJ.com Kevin Willard is the favorite for the Maryland job. It is just a one sentence blurb down toward the end of the article about St. Pete's tournament run.
https://www.nj.com/sports/2022/03/saint-peters-is-the-greatest-cinderella-in-ncaa-tournament-history-politi.html
Big if true lol
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According to this article from NJ.com Kevin Willard is the favorite for the Maryland job. It is just a one sentence blurb down toward the end of the article about St. Pete's tournament run.
https://www.nj.com/sports/2022/03/saint-peters-is-the-greatest-cinderella-in-ncaa-tournament-history-politi.html
Maryland hired Gary Williams from Ohio State
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Maryland hired Gary Williams from Ohio State
With Juan Dixon, I think that team is poised to make deep run.
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Maryland hired Gary Williams from Ohio State
That's surprising; I thought Lefty Driesell did a fine job there last year.
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He's not putting his name out there because he is sitting on a monster pile of cash.
I swear I saw him in jazz shorts on Instagram. Maybe he’s doing work under the table?
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That's surprising; I thought Lefty Driesell did a fine job there last year.
The sad tale of Len Bias will have ramifications for years
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He's not putting his name out there because he is sitting on a monster pile of cash.
https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/c61e5831-6be2-4b4f-ab24-c670b83333ac/episodes/9af1909f-b7e4-42de-9fbb-b87df4b01cda/the-doug-gottlieb-show-all-ball---pt-3-steve-wojo-wojciechowski-on-coach-k-asst-years-redeem-team-marquette-lessons-post-k-duke
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As much I disliked Woo as a coach, and probably not my type of guy, being Wojo is probably a pretty good gid. A ton of cash and no need to rush into anything. I still think he would be best served becoming a JV HS coach back home, I hope the guy robs another Brinks truck. I love seeing guys pull off a good heist and he has done it once, why not do it again.
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I too ended up not being pro-jo. I was 100% for him being fired. I think MU was very fair with him in both compensation and support. He was given plenty of time to prove himself and was unable to consistently win at a level expected at MU and that he was paid for.
That said, he is a nice and classy guy. His players were great young men. Wojo checked every box except on the court. I hope he get another shot if he wants it.
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Wojo checked every box except on the court. I hope he get another shot if he wants it.
He checks every box except the “Is good at coaching basketball” one. OK.
But I’d be a little wary of flying with the pilot who checks every box except the “is good at flying planes” one or being operated on by the doc who checks every box except the “is good at surgery” one.
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He checks every box except the “Is good at coaching basketball” one. OK.
But I’d be a little wary of flying with the pilot who checks every box except the “is good at flying planes” one or being operated on by the doc who checks every box except the “is good at surgery” one.
Which is likely why he said “I too ended up not being pro-jo. I was 100% for him being fired.”
But you cut that part out.
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Which is likely why he said “I too ended up not being pro-jo. I was 100% for him being fired.”
But you cut that part out.
Right, but it’s still a refrain that keeps coming up. Like it’s necessary to keep repeating.
It’s the basketball equivalent of “well they have a nice personality” when you’re asked if the person you’re being set up with is attractive.
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Right, but it’s still a refrain that keeps coming up. Like it’s necessary to keep repeating.
It’s the basketball equivalent of “well they have a nice personality” when you’re asked if the person you’re being set up with is attractive.
Right. But if people stopped repeating their opinions on Scoop, it would be really quiet here.
I mean we also know that Lenny’s doesn’t like Wojo right? He doesn’t need to selectively quote to change the OP’s point.
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Frank Martin did a fairly good job at KSU, but ( to my point ) he did ZIP at South Carolina other than the FF.
If he wants a step down job I’m sure he can get one. And maybe even another one after that …
That said … who was a Worse “ analyst “ last weekend , him or Huggins ?
#scooptakes
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I was not aware that Jamion Christian was fired by George Washington. That might be a decent landing spot for Wojo.
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Frank Martin to UMASS.
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Steve Prohm in talks to go back to Murray State. (Borzello)
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I was not aware that Jamion Christian was fired by George Washington. That might be a decent landing spot for Wojo.
Pretty far away from Park City
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Frank Martin to UMASS.
Martin is nuts. Any players at UMass worth recruiting?
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Martin is nuts. Any players at UMass worth recruiting?
Meeting is extremely well respected. There’s a reason he was hired 15 seconds after someone else let him go.
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Meeting is extremely well respected. There’s a reason he was hired 15 seconds after someone else let him go.
Extremely well respected and nucking futs are not mutually exclusive. From what I've heard, Martin is both.
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Extremely well respected and nucking futs are not mutually exclusive. From what I've heard, Martin is both.
He has the rare combo of opposing coaches, opposing player and former players all singing his praises. That’s rarely the case.
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Martin is nuts. Any players at UMass worth recruiting?
Just guards. So probably not what Marquette is looking for. I think they have contacted 1-2 transfer guards in total and like 5-7 4s and 5s.
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Just guards. So probably not what Marquette is looking for. I think they have contacted 1-2 transfer guards in total and like 5-7 4s and 5s.
Shaka seems to be really focusing on guards and wings when recruiting high school athletes, and bigs when recruiting transfers.
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He has the rare combo of opposing coaches, opposing player and former players all singing his praises. That’s rarely the case.
I don't think that's universal though.
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I don't think that's universal though.
No one is universally liked. We're talking majority
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Steve Prohm in talks to go back to Murray State. (Borzello)
Who is the most successful "return" coaching hire?
Given I can't easily find lists online, I assume the sample size is pretty small. The only one that comes to mind, Dave Leitao back to DePaul, wound up with a much less successful second tour of duty.
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Lou Carnesecca, St. John's.
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The fact he hasn’t really been mentioned for jobs to me seems like he isn’t putting his name out there to writers either.
Wojo isn’t being mentioned for jobs because he committed the biggest sin a coach can—he was a loser at Marquette. In college sports, you can lie, cheat, scandalize yourself in other, more personal ways, whatever. If you can win, you’ll keep getting chances, even if your success was just a flash in the pan like Tom Crean or Frank Martin.
Wojo was given a long time to prove himself on a big stage, and he failed spectacularly. The stink of his time at Marquette hasn’t worn off, and that’s why he’s not being mentioned for any jobs. I predict he’ll go back to Duke’s bench as an assistant if Scheyer offers him a spot.
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Lou Carnesecca, St. John's.
Lute Henson
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Wojo isn’t being mentioned for jobs because he committed the biggest sin a coach can—he was a loser at Marquette. In college sports, you can lie, cheat, scandalize yourself in other, more personal ways, whatever. If you can win, you’ll keep getting chances, even if your success was just a flash in the pan like Tom Crean or Frank Martin.
Wojo was given a long time to prove himself on a big stage, and he failed spectacularly. The stink of his time at Marquette hasn’t worn off, and that’s why he’s not being mentioned for any jobs. I predict he’ll go back to Duke’s bench as an assistant if Scheyer offers him a spot.
Coach K coaching tree isn't highly regarded in coaching circles either. He would be well suited to take an assistant job outside the K circle, one to prove he's comfortable in different situations and two to prove he's willing to grind his way back to a high level job. I think he'll have a hard time getting hired to a job he'd like if he doesn't do those two things.
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Wojo isn’t being mentioned for jobs because he committed the biggest sin a coach can—he was a loser at Marquette. In college sports, you can lie, cheat, scandalize yourself in other, more personal ways, whatever. If you can win, you’ll keep getting chances, even if your success was just a flash in the pan like Tom Crean or Frank Martin.
Wojo was given a long time to prove himself on a big stage, and he failed spectacularly. The stink of his time at Marquette hasn’t worn off, and that’s why he’s not being mentioned for any jobs. I predict he’ll go back to Duke’s bench as an assistant if Scheyer offers him a spot.
He didn't fail "spectacularly." He wasn't Bob Dukiet for Christ sakes. He made NCAA tournaments. He recruited well. He had ranked teams. Many mid-major teams would be fine with what he did here.
There are numerous examples of coaches who sucked at the P6 level and did fine mid major. John Groce, Travis Ford, Anthony Grant, etc.
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He didn't fail "spectacularly." He wasn't Bob Dukiet for Christ sakes. He made NCAA tournaments. He recruited well. He had ranked teams. Many mid-major teams would be fine with what he did here.
There are numerous examples of coaches who sucked at the P6 level and did fine mid major. John Groce, Travis Ford, Anthony Grant, etc.
In my opinion, if Wojo wants to get back into coaching, it would have to be a certain level of job. I don’t think his stock is high enough to get that level of job. That’s why I think his best option would be NBA assistant or top assistant somewhere that’s not Duke.
He was very picky about his first head coaching job. I’m thinking while he’s going to be pretty picky until financially he needs to get back into coaching.
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In my opinion, if Wojo wants to get back into coaching, it would have to be a certain level of job. I don’t think his stock is high enough to get that level of job. That’s why I think his best option would be NBA assistant or top assistant somewhere that’s not Duke.
He was very picky about his first head coaching job. I’m thinking while he’s going to be pretty picky until financially he needs to get back into coaching.
I don't disagree with that at all. I am sure that if he put his name out there for those jobs, he would get a look. I mean, have people looked at the list of current D1 coaches? There are coaches with significant worse records that Wojo at the P6 level who are currently coaching mid-major. Pat Chambers and Tim Miles are both on D1 benches right now.
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I’m assuming Lute Henson is actually Lou Henson?
I was in law school at Illinois when he first arrived there. He would come to discuss the program pre-season at lunchtime once a year. He was always approachable and hilarious.
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I’m assuming Lute Henson is actually Lou Henson?
I was in law school at Illinois when he first arrived there. He would come to discuss the program pre-season at lunchtime once a year. He was always approachable and hilarious.
Lou Do, yes…although I was being dry as Lute had that health incident on his leave of absence where he went off the deep end when KO filled in.
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He didn't fail "spectacularly." He wasn't Bob Dukiet for Christ sakes. He made NCAA tournaments. He recruited well. He had ranked teams. Many mid-major teams would be fine with what he did here.
There are numerous examples of coaches who sucked at the P6 level and did fine mid major. John Groce, Travis Ford, Anthony Grant, etc.
Agreed - failing to live up to standards does not equal "failing spectacularly".
I don't think Wojo gets (or takes) a mid-major job because his biggest positive was his recruiting. However, recruiting to a mid-major is not an easy sell, particularly in the transfer age. Successful mid-major coaches can coach up mid-major talent and/or are really good in-game coaches. Wojo's neither of those things, and everyone knows it at this point. His next job will likely be as a top assistant (again) at a top P6 program, and I have no doubt he'll do a good job.
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Right. But if people stopped repeating their opinions on Scoop, it would be really quiet here.
I mean we also know that Lenny’s doesn’t like Wojo right? He doesn’t need to selectively quote to change the OP’s point.
I didn’t “change his point”. Whether or not he eventually gave up projo status was beside his point. His point was that wojo was good at certain aspects of running a program and that he hopes he gets another shot at running one. My counterpoint was that unless you’re good at coaching basketball (Wojo wasn’t) recruiting nice kids, etc., really doeasn’t matter any more than a nice bedside manner matters for a poor surgeon or a rapport with the flight attendants matters for a lousy pilot.
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He didn't fail "spectacularly." He wasn't Bob Dukiet for Christ sakes. He made NCAA tournaments. He recruited well. He had ranked teams. Many mid-major teams would be fine with what he did here.
There are numerous examples of coaches who sucked at the P6 level and did fine mid major. John Groce, Travis Ford, Anthony Grant, etc.
Are we surprised? Look at the hyperbole in this thread. People are acting like Frank Martin is a hack because he didn't win resoundingly at South Carolina, a school with 1 non-Frank Martin NCAA appearance in 25 years and whose last NCAA victory, aside from his FF run, happened while Al was still coaching MU. And he still only had 2 losing seasons in conference in his final 8 years, and one of those was the COVID year.
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I didn’t “change his point”. Whether or not he eventually gave up projo status was beside his point. His point was that wojo was good at certain aspects of running a program and that he hopes he gets another shot at running one. My counterpoint was that unless you’re good at coaching basketball (Wojo wasn’t) recruiting nice kids, etc., really doeasn’t matter any more than a nice bedside manner matters for a poor surgeon or a rapport with the flight attendants matters for a lousy pilot.
He acknowledged that. You snipped his point to make yourself look smart by countering a point he had already made. Sorry I called you out on your dishonesty but we can all see through it.
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He didn't fail "spectacularly." He wasn't Bob Dukiet for Christ sakes. He made NCAA tournaments. He recruited well. He had ranked teams. Many mid-major teams would be fine with what he did here.
There are numerous examples of coaches who sucked at the P6 level and did fine mid major. John Groce, Travis Ford, Anthony Grant, etc.
agreed. Lots of schools would be fine w/Woj’s MU results. Winning cumulative record. Clean. Graduated players.
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agreed. Lots of schools would be fine w/Woj’s MU results. Winning cumulative record. Clean. Graduated players.
If lots of schools would be fine with the results you mentioned, Bruce Weber would be the hottest commodity on this year’s coaching carousel.
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If lots of schools would be fine with the results you mentioned, Bruce Weber would be the hottest commodity on this year’s coaching carousel.
Depends on the program. If Wojo is at DePaul? Clemson? Marquette has higher expectations. K-State does, too, because of Kansas. It’s all relative
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If lots of schools would be fine with the results you mentioned, Bruce Weber would be the hottest commodity on this year’s coaching carousel.
If Bruce Weber wanted a mid major job, he would have one.
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If lots of schools would be fine with the results you mentioned, Bruce Weber would be the hottest commodity on this year’s coaching carousel.
This statement does zero to advance your position.
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He acknowledged that. You snipped his point to make yourself look smart by countering a point he had already made. Sorry I called you out on your dishonesty but we can all see through it.
LOL. I accept your apology. And who is this “we all” of whom you speak? Got a mouse in your pocket?
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Maryland hired Gary Williams from Ohio State
Actually no, Willard was hired by Maryland.
https://247sports.com/college/maryland/LongFormArticle/Maryland-Basketball-Kevin-Willard-on-recruiting-new-staff-Terps-fans-Mark-Turgeon-and-more-185054206/#185054206_1
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Actually no, Willard was hired by Maryland.
https://247sports.com/college/maryland/LongFormArticle/Maryland-Basketball-Kevin-Willard-on-recruiting-new-staff-Terps-fans-Mark-Turgeon-and-more-185054206/#185054206_1
Thx for the link
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Actually no, Willard was hired by Maryland.
https://247sports.com/college/maryland/LongFormArticle/Maryland-Basketball-Kevin-Willard-on-recruiting-new-staff-Terps-fans-Mark-Turgeon-and-more-185054206/#185054206_1
You are missing the joke.
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Actually no, Willard was hired by Maryland.
https://247sports.com/college/maryland/LongFormArticle/Maryland-Basketball-Kevin-Willard-on-recruiting-new-staff-Terps-fans-Mark-Turgeon-and-more-185054206/#185054206_1
Whoa!!! Didn’t expect that!
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You are missing the joke.
Without the teal it sometimes hard to tell since I don't follow all the coaching changes or past coaches from other schools. The NJ.com article I referenced was right, however.
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Without the teal it sometimes hard to tell since I don't follow all the coaching changes or past coaches from other schools. The NJ.com article I referenced was right, however.
And a few days old and had been discussed at length already ;)
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Actually no, Willard was hired by Maryland.
https://247sports.com/college/maryland/LongFormArticle/Maryland-Basketball-Kevin-Willard-on-recruiting-new-staff-Terps-fans-Mark-Turgeon-and-more-185054206/#185054206_1
Got 'em Rico.
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And a few days old and had been discussed at length already ;)
So who do you think the Hall will hire?
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So who do you think the Hall will hire?
Bobby Gonzalez
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Tony Gonzalez, hey?
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Speedy Gonzales
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Poncho Gonzalez
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Geremi Gonzalez
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PJ Carlesimo is free and the handprints on his neck have finally healed
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Not sure that it has been mentioned elsewhere, but Coach Killings in Albany is being investigated for hitting a player.
He claims it was unintentional.
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Not sure that it has been mentioned elsewhere, but Coach Killings in Albany is being investigated for hitting a player.
He claims it was unintentional.
Don't believe it. If he were ever going to have hit anyone, it would have been Joey.
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Not sure that it has been mentioned elsewhere, but Coach Killings in Albany is being investigated for hitting a player.
He claims it was unintentional.
Was he at the Oscars, too?
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Geremi Gonzalez
Skypoint.
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Not sure that it has been mentioned elsewhere, but Coach Killings in Albany is being investigated for hitting a player.
He claims it was unintentional.
Now known as willsmithing, aina?
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Not sure that it has been mentioned elsewhere, but Coach Killings in Albany is being investigated for hitting a player.
He claims it was unintentional.
Albany released that it was former Marquette walk-on Luke Fizulich, who left the program recently.
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Az state hangin on to bobby hurley...so far
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Was he at the Oscars, too?
score!
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Not sure that it has been mentioned elsewhere, but Coach Killings in Albany is being investigated for hitting a player.
He claims it was unintentional.
Unfortunate for all involved. Killings get his head coaching chance, brings Luke Fizulich with him as a walk on. Fizulich actually gets some modest playing time and now this.
https://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/headline-17036974.php
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Unfortunate for all involved. Killings get his head coaching chance, brings Luke Fizulich with him as a walk on. Fizulich actually gets some modest playing time and now this.
https://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/headline-17036974.php
Sounds like DK is done. Either that or Albany’s radio broadcaster is a complete jackass.
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Tremendous Hire for Seton Hall
https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2022/03/seton-hall-officially-signs-shaheen-holloway-to-6-year-deal-as-head-coach-press-conference-set-for-thursday.html
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Travis Steele hired as HC at Miami (Ohio).
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Travis Steele hired as HC at Miami (Ohio).
Question for the coaching afficionados....
I thought the knock on Steele was that he could recruit but was not a good XO coach? If so, aren't they the worse coaches to hire for the next level down? Their recruiting will not be as good given they are that level down, and they cannot make it up with their coaching?
It seems like you would want a coach that was an average recruiter but a good XO guy when you hire him from a high major?
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Question for the coaching afficionados....
I thought the knock on Steele was that he could recruit but was not a good XO coach? If so, aren't they the worse coaches to hire for the next level down? Their recruiting will not be as good given they are that level down, and they cannot make it up with their coaching?
It seems like you would want a coach that was an average recruiter but a good XO guy when you hire him from a high major?
The counter point is if you can outrecruit the majority of the conference, the talent level can often be enough to make up for the lack of Xs and Os.
I think it’s a really good hire. Their primary message board was pretty tepid when his name was coming up early in the search but given their recent basketball history, it’s kind of bizarre. They had a big fixation on one of Charlie Coles old assistants who has coached on floundering teams since leaving.
Steele’s ties to the area are very strong. If he can recruit I think he can do fairly well there
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@wojespn: University of Miami associate head coach Chris Caputo is finalizing a deal to become George Washington’s new coach, sources tell ESPN.
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LaVall Jordan out at Butler
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John Fanta Tweets two names to watch
Packers assistant Ronald Nored and Ohio coach Jeff Boals.
Big fan of Boals
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John Fanta Tweets two names to watch
Packers assistant Ronald Nored and Ohio coach Jeff Boals.
Big fan of Boals
Would Nored be considered as an alum who would be hard to fire, or not?
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Would Nored be considered as an alum who would be hard to fire, or not?
Not really.
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John Fanta Tweets two names to watch
Packers assistant Ronald Nored and Ohio coach Jeff Boals.
Big fan of Boals
He'll be great on the sidelines of the basketball field. They'll shoot a lot of touchdowns.
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Nored obviously has a connection with Butler, but Shoals has one with Matta from Ohio State days.
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He'll be great on the sidelines of the basketball field. They'll shoot a lot of touchdowns.
Jesus, autocorrect. Originally said Ronald Noreen, too 😂
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The counter point is if you can outrecruit the majority of the conference, the talent level can often be enough to make up for the lack of Xs and Os.
I think it’s a really good hire. Their primary message board was pretty tepid when his name was coming up early in the search but given their recent basketball history, it’s kind of bizarre. They had a big fixation on one of Charlie Coles old assistants who has coached on floundering teams since leaving.
Steele’s ties to the area are very strong. If he can recruit I think he can do fairly well there
Makes sense. Forgot about his area ties as well.
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John Fanta Tweets two names to watch
Packers assistant Ronald Nored and Ohio coach Jeff Boals.
Big fan of Boals
We talked about this a month or so ago. I think my "internal" Butler options (given this is how they like to go) would be Nored or Ryan Pedon (OSU Asst that was at Butler with Holtmann).
Still think Medved would fit if they went external.
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We talked about this a month or so ago. I think my "internal" Butler options (given this is how they like to go) would be Nored or Ryan Pedon (OSU Asst that was at Butler with Holtmann).
Still think Medved would fit if they went external.
Ryan Pedon already took the Illinois State job. Sounds like Jeff Boals (whose buyout drops tomorrow) is the guy.
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Ryan Pedon already took the Illinois State job. Sounds like Jeff Boals (whose buyout drops tomorrow) is the guy.
If he gets Sears and Vander Plas right away. Butler 1000% made the correct move.
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Ryan Pedon already took the Illinois State job. Sounds like Jeff Boals (whose buyout drops tomorrow) is the guy.
Ahh, missed the Pedon news.
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LaVall Jordan out at Butler
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/butler-fires-lavall-jordan-bulldogs-move-on-from-coach-after-posting-14-18-record-in-fifth-season/
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Thad Matta your new Butler coach.
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The last two season has seen significant upgrades in BE coaching. Now what to do about Georgetown.
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For the Big East, they have hired three new head coaches (Matta, Miller and Holloway) with a combined: an NCAAT Runner-Up, a Final Four, Seven Elite Eights, Five Sweet 16s, 25 NCAAT Appearances and an NIT Championship (and that is without Jay Wright's numbers included). The Big East stepped up in a big way with coaching hires this cycle, as each new coach has made an Elite Eight or better. The league just got even harder.
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St. John’s and Georgetown are on the clock.
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has been coaches everywhere
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Hurley at Connecticut needs to get going. Last two tournaments have been disappointing.
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Georgetown fans must be so pissed. Imagine watching Shaka Smart, Shaheen Holloway, Sean Miller, and Thad Matta all come into the league while your administration twiddles their thumbs with Patrick Ewing.
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Butler know Matta.
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If Matta is all-in - and why would he take the job if he wasn't gonna be? - this is a tremendous hire. A little Shaka-ish, in that he got his "dream job" and maybe realized that such things aren't always what they're cracked up to be.
Agree with Mr. N about Hurley - he's overrated to me until he does something that matters at UConn. Obviously, the same can be said about Shaka.
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The coaches coming in definitely don’t hurt the next TV contract.
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Hurley at Connecticut needs to get going. Last two tournaments have been disappointing.
He took over a program that was in purgatory with NCAA punishments from Ollie. He’s finished top 3 in the BE both of his first 2 years and made the tourney. Sure you’d like to see a deeper run, but he’s done just fine and UCONN is a contender in the BE again. To even mention him with coaches that need to “get it going” is silly.
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Well, maybe. Yet, that feeling is there by UConn fans. Not sure anyone is saying hot seat talk. Yet, the tournaments exits the last two years for Connecticut are disappointments.
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That’s an unbelievable, pie in the sky type of hire for Butler. Their program has taken two massive hits in the last decade with Stevens and Holtmann leaving, so this is great news for them and the conference. Lavall Jordan was a hack who had no business coaching in the Big East. Great to see the conference cleanse itself of some of these garbage coaches like Wojo, Steele, and Jordan the last few years.
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Is there any conference that comes near the Big East in terms of name recognition among coaches.
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Well, maybe. Yet, that feeling is there by UConn fans. Not sure anyone is saying hot seat talk. Yet, the tournaments exits the last two years for Connecticut are disappointments.
UConn fans aren’t the best judge of rational feelings.
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X hires Sean Miller
Butler hires Thad Matta
Does this mean the next MU coach after Shaka is Crean? Of Maybe Buzz?
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X hires Sean Miller
Butler hires Thad Matta
Does this mean the next MU coach after Shaka is Crean? Of Maybe Buzz?
Maybe O'Neil
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If Matta is all-in - and why would he take the job if he wasn't gonna be? - this is a tremendous hire. A little Shaka-ish, in that he got his "dream job" and maybe realized that such things aren't always what they're cracked up to be.
Agree with Mr. N about Hurley - he's overrated to me until he does something that matters at UConn. Obviously, the same can be said about Shaka.
Thad’s time at OSU was much longer and more successful than Shaka’s was at Texas.
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Matta’s coaching record is impressive. If he can approach that level of success at Butler The Big East will be even more of a gauntlet than it already is. Will be interesting to see if he can get some prospects from the transfer portal. That has been a tried and true method for Butler over the years
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/thad-matta-1.html
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Thad’s time at OSU was much longer and more successful than Shaka’s was at Texas.
Absolutely. I wasn’t trying to suggest otherwise.
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With the BE's three new coaches, our conference has the promise of soon becoming more like the Big 12 with its impressive top to bottom strength (Georgetown aside). St. John's remains questionable but even Coach Blue! Blue! and his Demons cannot be no longer be taken as an easy win.
Your thoughts on how Shaka and his system will perform vs. Butler, Seton Hall, and Xaiver once the new coaches settle in this coming season and afterwards? I think Holloway is the most difficult new coach to figure out, but he obviously likes a highly disciplined style, or at least did at St. Peter's.
Several people have posted about the cannibalism inherent in an exceptionally strong top to bottom conference and pointed out how the bottom teams of the Big 12 have been saddled with records that, at first glance, are unimpressive. Looking 2-3 years down the road, which teams do you think will be perennial powers and which ones besides Georgetown will be in 8th-10th place?
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With the BE's three new coaches, our conference has the promise of soon becoming more like the Big 12 with its impressive top to bottom strength (Georgetown aside). St. John's remains questionable but even Coach Blue! Blue! and his Demons cannot be no longer be taken as an easy win.
Your thoughts on how Shaka and his system will perform vs. Butler, Seton Hall, and Xaiver once the new coaches settle in this coming season and afterwards? I think Holloway is the most difficult new coach to figure out, but he obviously likes a highly disciplined style, or at least did at St. Peter's.
Several people have posted about the cannibalism inherent in an exceptionally strong top to bottom conference and pointed out how the bottom teams of the Big 12 have been saddled with records that, at first glance, are unimpressive. Looking 2-3 years down the road, which teams do you think will be perennial powers and which ones besides Georgetown will be in 8th-10th place?
In 2-3 years I don't expect much to change. Still expect the same teams at the top, same teams in the middle, and DePaul, St John's, and Georgetown holding down the bottom.
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In 2-3 years I don't expect much to change. Still expect the same teams at the top, same teams in the middle, and DePaul, St John's, and Georgetown holding down the bottom.
Probably so for the bottom three, but I think Matta and Miller will have their teams solidly in the upper half of the conference within 2-3 years. Even if, as I expect, Nova has a slightly down year (by their standards) this coming season, they will continue to be first or at least second in 2-3 years. To me, both Hurley and Holloway are difficult to predict and I think Providence goes back to being somewhere in the middle of the pack.
The big question to me is where will Marquette be in the conference? Where will we fit in?
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In 2-3 years I don't expect much to change. Still expect the same teams at the top, same teams in the middle, and DePaul, St John's, and Georgetown holding down the bottom.
If this is the case in 2-3 years, Georgetown will be playing its games at the DC Armory before 1000 a game.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/TXC53IQKBEI6TCKCB32EFZMQSQ.jpg
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If this is the case in 2-3 years, Georgetown will be playing its games at the DC Armory before 1000 a game.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/TXC53IQKBEI6TCKCB32EFZMQSQ.jpg
Why isn't there more pressure from the fan base to fire Ewing? That BEAST tourney run?
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Why isn't there more pressure from the fan base to fire Ewing? That BEAST tourney run?
From what's been reported, it would cost more than eight figures to buy out Ewing this spring, thanks to the dumb and unnecessary (where was he going?) extension they gave him last year.
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If Matta is committed, Butler is going to be a problem.
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Why isn't there more pressure from the fan base to fire Ewing? That BEAST tourney run?
No money for the buyout. Georgetown lost a boatload on COVID and isn't handing a check to a multi-millionaire without someone else footing the bill.
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Western Michigan hiring former MU/Michigan State assistant Dwayne Stephens.
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I hope Gtown keeps Ewing …. Heck,
MU needs some team(s) to beat up on.
W / UCONN returning, and w / the coaches being upgraded the BE is better than it was just a few years ago. MU needs to step it up. Fast.
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Western Michigan hiring former MU/Michigan State assistant Dwayne Stephens.
This is a bit surprising. Would have thought he’d have had better opportunities prior to this
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No money for the buyout. Georgetown lost a boatload on COVID and isn't handing a check to a multi-millionaire without someone else footing the bill.
Makes sense, I just assumed that if Marquette can light money on fire to get rid of a coach that Georgetown and its wealthy alumni base and donors could as well.
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This is a bit surprising. Would have thought he’d have had better opportunities prior to this
I mean, you could have used the same logic with Wojo before he was hired at MU.
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I mean, you could have used the same logic with Wojo before he was hired at MU.
I was equally surprised when Wojo got the Marquette job
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I was equally surprised when Wojo got the Marquette job
Something about guys who are assistants for 20 years doesn't exactly scream "good head coach", does it.
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Something about guys who are assistants for 20 years doesn't exactly scream "good head coach", does it.
Tommy Lloyd's performance this year says otherwise.
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Something about guys who are assistants for 20 years doesn't exactly scream "good head coach", does it.
Greg Gard and Tommy Lloyd seem to managing alright.
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This is a bit surprising. Would have thought he’d have had better opportunities prior to this
On the other hand, if he does well at Western Michigan, it puts him in the driver's seat to take over at State when Izzo retires in the next 3-5 years.
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A couple of years ago, I read an article on him saying that he wasn't interested in mid-major jobs. However his name hasn't seemed to be popping up for higher level gigs, so I wonder if he had changed his mind. Or if Izzo wants to make a change.
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Something about guys who are assistants for 20 years doesn't exactly scream "good head coach", does it.
No, I didn’t know he was interviewing for the gig in ‘14 nor did I expect him to leave Duke for Marquette.
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Nolan Smith leaving Duke for Louisville. Looks like there will be another spot open on Duke’s bench. 👀
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Nolan Smith leaving Duke for Louisville. Looks like there will be another spot open on Duke’s bench. 👀
Nolan Smith's dad Derek Smith was a teammate, and pretty much best friends with Kenny Payne.
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With the BE's three new coaches, our conference has the promise of soon becoming more like the Big 12 with its impressive top to bottom strength (Georgetown aside). St. John's remains questionable but even Coach Blue! Blue! and his Demons cannot be no longer be taken as an easy win.
Your thoughts on how Shaka and his system will perform vs. Butler, Seton Hall, and Xaiver once the new coaches settle in this coming season and afterwards? I think Holloway is the most difficult new coach to figure out, but he obviously likes a highly disciplined style, or at least did at St. Peter's.
Several people have posted about the cannibalism inherent in an exceptionally strong top to bottom conference and pointed out how the bottom teams of the Big 12 have been saddled with records that, at first glance, are unimpressive. Looking 2-3 years down the road, which teams do you think will be perennial powers and which ones besides Georgetown will be in 8th-10th place?
Seton Hall- Willard had program going well and Shaheen will likely continue on some level. So net neutral
Xavier - Steele recruited well but could not coach. Miller will bring program back to the Chris Mack level at a minimum . So Net upgrade
Butler- Very inconsistent under Jordan. Matta will bring consistent winning seasons .So net upgrade
The Big East could likely have a significant majority of the teams in the 9 to 11 win level in pre season which would ensure some high net rankings league wide going into conference play
Conference play will have very little dispersion with a lot of teams around .500
MU will need some big recruiting wins to maintain its position in the top half of the league
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Makes sense, I just assumed that if Marquette can light money on fire to get rid of a coach that Georgetown and its wealthy alumni base and donors could as well.
The base is burned out and many are simply washing their hands of all of it.
Next year could be worse and get a lot more personal towards Ewing, which Georgetown doesn't want to see exhibited in public.
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Seton Hall- Willard had program going well and Shaheen will likely continue on some level. So net neutral
Xavier - Steele recruited well but could not coach. Miller will bring program back to the Chris Mack level at a minimum . So Net upgrade
Butler- Very inconsistent under Jordan. Matta will bring consistent winning seasons .So net upgrade
The Big East could likely have a significant majority of the teams in the 9 to 11 win level in pre season which would ensure some high net rankings league wide going into conference play
Conference play will have very little dispersion with a lot of teams around .500
MU will need some big recruiting wins to maintain its position in the top half of the league
Yeah, the conference will surely be stronger, especially when matched up with other majors. Agree that there will probably a traffic jam in conference standings with W/L records being fairly close for maybe about half the teams but that's not new.
I expect McDermott to continue to have solid teams as long as he stays on the plantation. I think Holloway will do well but time will tell.
The expression "be careful what you wish for" is haunting me a bit as I've wanted the BE to become even stronger but the consequences of that are a much tougher road for Marquette.
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Greg Gard and Tommy Lloyd seem to managing alright.
That Izzo guy's done OK, even if he miscalculated on Vanilla Soft Serve. Weber wasn't bad. Roy Williams was pretty good.
Obviously, plenty of long-time assistant coaches failed, too. Also, plenty of not-so-long-time assistant coaches failed.
Hell, a few here think Shaka already has failed at Marquette, and he was never an assistant at one place for more than 3 years.
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If Matta is committed, Butler is going to be a problem.
I really like Matta and he was he my first choice for the Marquette job (though it seems he wasn’t quite ready to get back to coaching yet). Glad MU got Shaka, but Butler hit a home run with that hire.
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The base is burned out and many are simply washing their hands of all of it.
Next year could be worse and get a lot more personal towards Ewing, which Georgetown doesn't want to see exhibited in public.
I try to be careful in replying to your posts as I do not want anything I write to be misconstrued even very slightly as mocking. I simply cannot imagine what it is like watching your entire program being destroyed after years of being a loyal fan. This goes well beyond Marquette's experience with Wojo.
Your thoughts about the article written anonymously by a former player? And your thoughts about the comments by smallmodularreactor on the holy land site? I'm amazed that anyone would not only hold Ewing blameless, but arrogantly ridicule anyone who challenges his narrative.
Many scoopers held out little hope that donor(s) would come up with the money to buy out Wojo. I know GT's bill is much larger, but I wonder if there are enough GT alums who would divvy up the tab for Ewing.
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I really like Matta and he was he my first choice for the Marquette job (though it seems he wasn’t quite ready to get back to coaching yet). Glad MU got Shaka, but Butler hit a home run with that hire.
Matta was ready last year but he was only interested in coaching at Butler. He was waiting for the job to come open
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Many scoopers held out little hope that donor(s) would come up with the money to buy out Wojo. I know GT's bill is much larger, but I wonder if there are enough GT alums who would divvy up the tab for Ewing.
I just googled and mistakenly thought Georgetown's endowment would be MUCH bigger than Marquette's. Looks like it's value has actually be dropping and stood at just over $1 billion as of 2021. Meanwhile Marquette's has been growing, and is just under a billion as of 2021.
Apparently choosing coaches isn't the only thing that Georgetown is doing wrong ?-(
Edit: Everyone should check my work. I was apparently reading the 2021 financial statement wrong, they claim the "Pooled Endowment" is around $2.5 billion. Though only about 1 bil in assets available for current use.
https://georgetown.app.box.com/s/pki3gpz4t63ojsl7zuvannbc1hf4cr0c
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The base is burned out and many are simply washing their hands of all of it.
Next year could be worse and get a lot more personal towards Ewing, which Georgetown doesn't want to see exhibited in public.
Right, it gets impossible when your fans start to openly boo your coach. Wojo heard the boos, Turgeon heard the boos... both got canned a few months later.
Could get ugly on the hill.
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For those who really want to get into the deep weeds on endowments, check the table on the link below which reads "U.S. and Canadian 2021 NTSE Participating Institutions Listed by Fiscal Year 2021 Endowment Market Value, and Change in Market Value from FY20 to FY21 (PDF)"
https://www.nacubo.org/Research/2021/Public-NTSE-Tables#2021+NACUBO-TIAA+STUDY+OF+ENDOWMENTS+(NTSE)+RESULTS
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I just googled and mistakenly thought Georgetown's endowment would be MUCH bigger than Marquette's. Looks like it's value has actually be dropping and stood at just over $1 billion as of 2021. Meanwhile Marquette's has been growing, and is just under a billion as of 2021.
Apparently choosing coaches isn't the only thing that Georgetown is doing wrong ?-(
Edit: Everyone should check my work. I was apparently reading the 2021 financial statement wrong, they claim the "Pooled Endowment" is around $2.5 billion. Though only about 1 bil in assets available for current use.
https://georgetown.app.box.com/s/pki3gpz4t63ojsl7zuvannbc1hf4cr0c
Just because it is available for current use, that doesn't mean that it is easy to use those assets to buy out a basketball coach. For instance, of the $2.5 billion in the endowment, $650M is designated endowment by the Board. What does that mean? It means that a donor did not restrict those assets to the endowment, but the Board has chosen to do so. And if they Board wants to take that money out of the endowment, they can.
But that doesn't mean they should. It is very likely that those Board designated endowments are still supporting something. And if you use that money to buy out a coach, you therefore have to find budget money annually to support what those (now smaller) endowments were funding.
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Just because it is available for current use, that doesn't mean that it is easy to use those assets to buy out a basketball coach. For instance, of the $2.5 billion in the endowment, $650M is designated endowment by the Board. What does that mean? It means that a donor did not restrict those assets to the endowment, but the Board has chosen to do so. And if they Board wants to take that money out of the endowment, they can.
But that doesn't mean they should. It is very likely that those Board designated endowments are still supporting something. And if you use that money to buy out a coach, you therefore have to find budget money annually to support what those (now smaller) endowments were funding.
Oh, I certainly didn't intend to imply they would use the endowment for buying out a coach, just using it as a measure of the financial wellbeing and ability of their big donors vs Marquette.
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Oh, I certainly didn't intend to imply they would use the endowment for buying out a coach, just using it as a measure of the financial wellbeing and ability of their big donors vs Marquette.
Shoot, all they have to do is hit up their famous Irish comedian alumni. Have Jim Gaffigan and John Mulaney split it. Easy Peasy.
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Oh, I certainly didn't intend to imply they would use the endowment for buying out a coach, just using it as a measure of the financial wellbeing and ability of their big donors vs Marquette.
This is exactly how I read your post. What follows is pure speculation on my part, nothing more:
It's difficult for me to believe that some deep pocket GT donors cannot be persuaded collectively to pool the big bucks needed to give Ewing the boot. They may even have approached Georgetown on their own. If my guesses are correct, just what is it that keeps GT from getting rid of him? Has GT simply written off basketball? Something really smells here.
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This is exactly how I read your post. What follows is pure speculation on my part, nothing more:
It's difficult for me to believe that some deep pocket GT donors cannot be persuaded collectively to pool the big bucks needed to give Ewing the boot. They may even have approached Georgetown on their own. If my guesses are correct, just what is it that keeps GT from getting rid of him? Has GT simply written off basketball? Something really smells here.
My guess is that GT is hoping Ewing can turn things around so that the linkage to their storied past is not broken. Good luck…..
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This is silly. All Georgetown needs to do is have 3 or perhaps 4 blogs publish coordinated and very well researched articles which lay out a demonstrable case for Ewing’s dismissal. It typically works within 24 hours.
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This is exactly how I read your post. What follows is pure speculation on my part, nothing more:
It's difficult for me to believe that some deep pocket GT donors cannot be persuaded collectively to pool the big bucks needed to give Ewing the boot. They may even have approached Georgetown on their own. If my guesses are correct, just what is it that keeps GT from getting rid of him? Has GT simply written off basketball? Something really smells here.
Maybe they don't want to approach those donors to fund his buy out, but want to save them for something else?
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Shoot, all they have to do is hit up their famous Irish comedian alumni. Have Jim Gaffigan and John Mulaney split it. Easy Peasy.
Not sure Mulaney will be on board...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiqKK4ysI7g
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Not sure Mulaney will be on board...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiqKK4ysI7g
That is a great find.
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It's difficult for me to believe that some deep pocket GT donors cannot be persuaded collectively to pool the big bucks needed to give Ewing the boot. They may even have approached Georgetown on their own. If my guesses are correct, just what is it that keeps GT from getting rid of him? Has GT simply written off basketball? Something really smells here.
The buyout is reported at $12 million until April 2023. No one is writing that check, especially to give a check to someone who is worth $100 million on his own. Ewing has lost a lot of core support and the donor and attendance numbers reflect this.
(http://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/images/attendance_405.jpg)
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The buyout is reported at $12 million until April 2023. No one is writing that check, especially to give a check to someone who is worth $100 million on his own. Ewing has lost a lot of core support and the donor and attendance numbers reflect this.
So, one more season then. Is there no buyout at all after that?
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So, one more season then. Is there no buyout at all after that?
This is all speculation based on a blog report but...it drops $3 million a year through 2026.
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This is all speculation based on a blog report but...it drops $3 million a year through 2026.
Y'all can get that out of petty cash. Hang in there for another year!
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73 year old Fran Dunphy is coming out of retirement to coach LaSalle. Reading this article, I didn't realize how terrible that program is.
https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/la-salle/fran-dunphy-coach-la-salle-temple-penn-20220405.html
It feels like the A10 is full of a few decent programs, but a couple are just terrible.
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If Marquette scraped together the $6M for Wojo, I'd think Georgetown has enough wealthy alums to double that to get rid of Ewing. I think part of the problem is some of the old establishment still wants him to succeed. He's the definition of a favorite son. Maybe you justify that he just didn't have the right staff and the changes he made will turn things around. Seems like a hope in vain, because I honestly don't think talent has been the issue (Akinjo, McClung, Wahab, Leblanc, Mohamed) but rather keeping talent and getting the most out of it has been the issue.
I have to say, the worst thing to happen to GT was the Big East tourney. They trailed 'Nova by 5 with less than 2 minutes to play. Lose that game, miss the tourney, then follow it up with this year and you don't have the messy extension nor the NCAA trip to warrant keeping him. Sometimes when you win, you really lose, and Georgetown lost that one big time.
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If Marquette scraped together the $6M for Wojo, I'd think Georgetown has enough wealthy alums to double that to get rid of Ewing. I think part of the problem is some of the old establishment still wants him to succeed. He's the definition of a favorite son. Maybe you justify that he just didn't have the right staff and the changes he made will turn things around. Seems like a hope in vain, because I honestly don't think talent has been the issue (Akinjo, McClung, Wahab, Leblanc, Mohamed) but rather keeping talent and getting the most out of it has been the issue.
I have to say, the worst thing to happen to GT was the Big East tourney. They trailed 'Nova by 5 with less than 2 minutes to play. Lose that game, miss the tourney, then follow it up with this year and you don't have the messy extension nor the NCAA trip to warrant keeping him. Sometimes when you win, you really lose, and Georgetown lost that one big time.
I agree, but this is 20/20 hindsight as many, myself included, thought that maybe, just maybe Ewing finally turned the corner. Actually, he did turn the corner, but he went the wrong way!
I think somewhere in your analysis is the answer, but more likely it's some combination of the things you wrote about.
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Did Gaffigan play football at Purdue?
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That is a great find.
Yeah, I saw that Netflix special. Good stuff.
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Did Gaffigan play football at Purdue?
Two years at Purdue, one at Georgetown. His brother Joe was a four year letterman with the Hoyas.
The Gaffigan brothers were part of a Georgetown team which also included former Detroit Lions head coach Jim Schwartz, who played LB.
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If Marquette scraped together the $6M for Wojo, I'd think Georgetown has enough wealthy alums to double that to get rid of Ewing. I think part of the problem is some of the old establishment still wants him to succeed. He's the definition of a favorite son. Maybe you justify that he just didn't have the right staff and the changes he made will turn things around. Seems like a hope in vain, because I honestly don't think talent has been the issue (Akinjo, McClung, Wahab, Leblanc, Mohamed) but rather keeping talent and getting the most out of it has been the issue.
I have to say, the worst thing to happen to GT was the Big East tourney. They trailed 'Nova by 5 with less than 2 minutes to play. Lose that game, miss the tourney, then follow it up with this year and you don't have the messy extension nor the NCAA trip to warrant keeping him. Sometimes when you win, you really lose, and Georgetown lost that one big time.
just conjecture on my part…but I wouldn’t be surprised if Texas paid the Woj buyout. Woj cost less than Shaka. MU hires Shaka, Texas doesn’t have to fire him, hence no Shaka buyout. In return, Texas pays the Woj buyout. Again, just speculation on my part.
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just conjecture on my part…but I wouldn’t be surprised if Texas paid the Woj buyout. Woj cost less than Shaka. MU hires Shaka, Texas doesn’t have to fire him, hence no Shaka buyout. In return, Texas pays the Woj buyout. Again, just speculation on my part.
Nah
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just conjecture on my part…but I wouldn’t be surprised if Texas paid the Woj buyout. Woj cost less than Shaka. MU hires Shaka, Texas doesn’t have to fire him, hence no Shaka buyout. In return, Texas pays the Woj buyout. Again, just speculation on my part.
That is not how this works.
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If Marquette scraped together the $6M for Wojo, I'd think Georgetown has enough wealthy alums to double that to get rid of Ewing. I think part of the problem is some of the old establishment still wants him to succeed. He's the definition of a favorite son.
Look, we took the same path with Hank Raymonds and Rick Majerus. Both were from the Al Coaching Tree. We badly wanted both to succeed at Marquette.
Neither did on their own. It took a long time for the cold water to hit our face.
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just conjecture on my part…but I wouldn’t be surprised if Texas paid the Woj buyout. Woj cost less than Shaka. MU hires Shaka, Texas doesn’t have to fire him, hence no Shaka buyout. In return, Texas pays the Woj buyout. Again, just speculation on my part.
It wasn't Texas. I'm certain of that, and while Shaka was the choice, he wasn't the only candidate they were in talks with.
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Mike Schrage resigned as HC at Elon to become an assistant at Duke. Wojo loses a possible landing spot, unless maybe he wants the Elon gig.
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just conjecture on my part…but I wouldn’t be surprised if Texas paid the Woj buyout. Woj cost less than Shaka. MU hires Shaka, Texas doesn’t have to fire him, hence no Shaka buyout. In return, Texas pays the Woj buyout. Again, just speculation on my part.
If this isn't teal lol.....
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If this isn't teal lol.....
I have no idea what that means, but, ok
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Jonas Hayes reportedly to Georgia State
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Georgia-mens-basketball-Jonas-Hayes-to-be-new-Georgia-State-head-coach-per-reports-185802532/
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Not sure Mulaney will be on board...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiqKK4ysI7g
I love this bit.
YOU SPENT IT ALREADY?!
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Shoot, all they have to do is hit up their famous Irish comedian alumni. Have Jim Gaffigan and John Mulaney split it. Easy Peasy.
You forgot Nick Kroll, whose dad I believe is a billionaire.
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You forgot Nick Kroll, whose dad I believe is a billionaire.
He is, but I respect the way he made it. :)
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You forgot Nick Kroll, whose dad I believe is a billionaire.
I'm distantly related to Nick Kroll by marriage, and am expecting my windfall very soon.
On the topic of Georgetown alums and buyouts, I wonder what the alum engagement in the bball program is like compared to a school like MU? Obviously they've had a lot of success over their program's history, but I get the sense that basketball may be of much less importance to the school's national relevance, so the donations of wealthy alums go elsewhere. And, as others have said, Ewing was king to many of their alumni that do care about the bball program, particularly those at an age where multi-million dollar donations are possible. Paying to get rid of someone you idolized is a lot different than paying to get rid of an outsider you never really liked to begin with.
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I'm distantly related to Nick Kroll by marriage, and am expecting my windfall very soon.
On the topic of Georgetown alums and buyouts, I wonder what the alum engagement in the bball program is like compared to a school like MU? Obviously they've had a lot of success over their program's history, but I get the sense that basketball may be of much less importance to the school's national relevance, so the donations of wealthy alums go elsewhere. And, as others have said, Ewing was king to many of their alumni that do care about the bball program, particularly those at an age where multi-million dollar donations are possible. Paying to get rid of someone you idolized is a lot different than paying to get rid of an outsider you never really liked to begin with.
There’s a strange disengagement about hoops with Georgetown alumns. Unless they’re winning. But losing just elicits s shrug. At least the ones I know who otherwise are big sports fans.
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Steve Lavin your new USD head coach.
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Steve Lavin your new USD head coach.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1511824252827226113?cxt=HHwWgsCyibyJivspAAAA
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Interesting thing about Lavin is he didn’t coach between 2003-2010 and 2015 and the USD gig in 2022 if I’m reading into this correctly.
Coaching career (HC unless noted)
1988–1991
Purdue (assistant)
1991–1996
UCLA (assistant)
1996–2003
UCLA
2010–2015
St. John's
2022–present
San Diego
Head coaching record
Overall
226–133
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On the topic of Georgetown alums and buyouts, I wonder what the alum engagement in the bball program is like compared to a school like MU? Obviously they've had a lot of success over their program's history, but I get the sense that basketball may be of much less importance to the school's national relevance, so the donations of wealthy alums go elsewhere. And, as others have said, Ewing was king to many of their alumni that do care about the bball program, particularly those at an age where multi-million dollar donations are possible. Paying to get rid of someone you idolized is a lot different than paying to get rid of an outsider you never really liked to begin with.
This is a good question on many levels.
Georgetown isn't a "basketball school" in the way it might be at MU or Creighton. For a number of years, in some ways which were subtle and in ways less so, Georgetown has steered its public image away from basketball---not as a result of scandal or revolt, but more towards benign indifference. You can visit georgetown.edu and struggle to find any athletics imagery on the site. The archetypal Georgetown student of 2022 is multicultural, a polyglot, and someone looking to solve the world's problems through think tanks and consulting firms, not through the NBA, e.g., the next Jen Psaki as opposed to the next Mac McClung. Those of us who spent our college years yelling at refs and discovering kegs inside the perimeter of the gym aren't the message it wants to send today.
To that point, athletics has a different feel at GU than other Big East schools. Basketball has never been part of the alumni DNA because John Thompson kept his distance from them and because John did it, his predecessors inevitably follow. You won't see coaches at alumni gatherings and even former players are a rarity. As such, alumni giving directed at basketball is far less than what you would expect, outside of the declining season ticket base, and even alumni of the 1980's aren't riding the Ewing train. His biggest supporters exist not with alumni but within a University which is adverse to change of any kind--Georgetown has had only three university presidents since 1976, just four head football coaches, and just four head basketball coaches. There's an entire column on this which I won't restate, but this quote is important: "Candor is not easy at a University where the power of the bureaucracy falls somewhere between the Pentagon and the Roman Curia, a culture that prefers [talk about Ewing] kept out of public consumption and handled "in the family". But it's no longer enough to assume that this approach is the only way forward. It's also not enough to run a major college program on a business model created in 1972."
Finally, there is this factor: today's Georgetown students have no culture of winning. It hasn't been ranked in the Top 25 or won a post-season game (NCAA or NIT) in seven years, and has won a total of two NCAA and one NIT tournament game since 2008. Much like the nearby Washington Redskins/Commanders (who haven't sniffed the NFC championship game since 1991), you can only sell the past so long until students lose interest altogether.
Georgetown doesn't want to be DePaul but they keep kicking the can on Ewing. All it does is delay the rebuild, but therein lies the problem--some at the University don't see need for a rebuild because, well, it's only basketball.
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Lavin is St. John’s most successful post Carnesseca coach by winning percentage.
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This is a good question on many levels.
Georgetown isn't a "basketball school" in the way it might be at MU or Creighton. For a number of years, in some ways which were subtle and in ways less so, Georgetown has steered its public image away from basketball---not as a result of scandal or revolt, but more towards benign indifference. You can visit georgetown.edu and struggle to find any athletics imagery on the site. The archetypal Georgetown student of 2022 is multicultural, a polyglot, and someone looking to solve the world's problems through think tanks and consulting firms, not through the NBA, e.g., the next Jen Psaki as opposed to the next Mac McClung. Those of us who spent our college years yelling at refs and discovering kegs inside the perimeter of the gym aren't the message it wants to send today.
I think this is an interesting perspective on the situation at Georgetown and not far off from the point I tried to make a few months back:
My perception is that over the last 40 years, the student body has slowly transitioned from students happy for a traditional college experience (and excited over a top-level basketball program) into a pre-professional development program for those looking to change the world through government, associations, and NGOs. And for that type of student, there is far too much relevant experience to be gained in DC and doesn't leave time to get all that into the basketball program.
I think it's that the type of student that represents Georgetown today simply doesn't care about athletics. For too many students, when it comes down to whether you want to head to watch the Hoyas take on Providence or Creighton, or go listen to a speech from some climate activist on how to mobilize global action, the speech is going to win out every single time.
My comment was not well received here at the time--if only I called the student body polyglots instead of pre-professionals. ;)
I also thought this was an interesting comment, but I had a different conclusion.:
Georgetown doesn't want to be DePaul but they keep kicking the can on Ewing.
Specifically, on this point, I think you've got the wrong Chicago school as the comparable. Certainly, they don't want to be DePaul, but I'd suggest they wouldn't mind Northwestern. And I would bet there are more than a few in positions of power that would be happy if Georgetown went the University of Chicago route.
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Lavin is St. John’s most successful post Carnesseca coach by winning percentage.
I never understood why they canned him
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My comment was not well received here at the time--if only I called the student body polyglots instead of pre-professionals. ;)
DFW was one of the ones who didn't receive your comment well
Not buying it. It's closest admissions peer is Duke--how's that pre-professional student body doing with athletics?
Give people a good product and students will respond. Georgetown students ringed the soccer field three deep for NCAA playoff games this fall and helped charter buses to Cary, NC for the semifinals. Could they do better? Sure. Football is under-supported and women's basketball is only a rumor to most students. Baseball? Forget it.
(https://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/images/soccer_400.jpg)
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I also thought this was an interesting comment, but I had a different conclusion.:
Specifically, on this point, I think you've got the wrong Chicago school as the comparable. Certainly, they don't want to be DePaul, but I'd suggest they wouldn't mind Northwestern. And I would bet there are more than a few in positions of power that would be happy if Georgetown went the University of Chicago route.
Northwestern is a good comp for Georgetown. Their fortunes as an institution definitely don't rely heavily on athletic success. They're elite academically, so the enrollment and the money will always be there. On the other hand, schools like MU, Creighton, Xavier, Butler, Gonzaga, etc. see their fortunes rise and fall based on basketball alone, so that's where they invest. I think that we expect Georgetown to emerge from the BE basement, but I'm not sure that it will actually happen, and there may not be an urgency for it to happen.
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Was Lavin's studio work for fox sports based out of NY or LA? Just curious how much of a geographic move the SD job is for him. He's from San Francisco, and obviously has his experience at UCLA, so he's familiar with the area and SD is great. Wonder what, if any, recruiting connections he has these days.
I also wonder if this will open up studio time for Crean. Lavin was on a ton for fox sports, and Crean would seemingly be able to fill a lot of that coach analyst role pretty seamlessly.
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Was Lavin's studio work for fox sports based out of NY or LA? Just curious how much of a geographic move the SD job is for him. He's from San Francisco, and obviously has his experience at UCLA, so he's familiar with the area and SD is great. Wonder what, if any, recruiting connections he has these days.
I also wonder if this will open up studio time for Crean. Lavin was on a ton for fox sports, and Crean would seemingly be able to fill a lot of that coach analyst role pretty seamlessly.
I thought he was in the LA studio for the Big East games unless he was calling the game.
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DFW was one of the ones who didn't receive your comment well
Ha--I wasn't going to call him out on the change of opinion! Maybe it really was referring to the student body as "pre-professional" as opposed to "polyglots."
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Was Lavin's studio work for fox sports based out of NY or LA?
FOX Sports is out of LA.
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St. Peters gets a replacement for Shaheen. Bashir Mason, Head Coach at Wagner.
https://nypost.com/2022/04/11/saint-peters-hiring-bashir-mason-as-new-coach/
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St. Peters gets a replacement for Shaheen. Bashir Mason, Head Coach at Wagner.
https://nypost.com/2022/04/11/saint-peters-hiring-bashir-mason-as-new-coach/
That's a heck of a poach as far as these schools' hires go.
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Evansville Coach Todd Lickliter canned by new AD.
Article lists Crean among rumored successors …….🤓
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2022/05/05/evansville-basketball-fires-todd-lickliter-butlers-david-ragland-target/9663239002/
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Crean sucks
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I never understood why they canned him
Lav had lost some passion after the cancer and his dad’s death, and his contract was up. Then a new President came aboard and fell in love with the idea of the greatest player in school history (and local dude) running the show. Thought Mullin could do even better. That President is gone now, particularly after how he and the school’s General Counsel ran their own coaching search after Mullin was pushed out.
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Lav had lost some passion after the cancer and his dad’s death, and his contract was up. Then a new President came aboard and fell in love with the idea of the greatest player in school history (and local dude) running the show. Thought Mullin could do even better. That President is gone now, particularly after how he and the school’s General Counsel ran their own coaching search after Mullin was pushed out.
Lavin has been a class act on Fox. I'm happy for him that he got another chance at coaching at San Diego.
I loved his sense of humor at Fox. After he congratulated a coach on winning some big games, the coach returned the compliment and said something like "C'mon Lav. You've had some big wins too." Lavin responded quickly with "Not often enough! That's why I'm here."
After Lavin strongly criticized Howard's actions after the Wisconsin game, his colleagues played an old tape of a coach getting tossed. It was young Coach Lavin. He laughed along with them and added that he was not at all proud of getting tossed.
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Lavin has been a class act on Fox. I'm happy for him that he got another chance at coaching at San Diego.
I loved his sense of humor at Fox. After he congratulated a coach on winning some big games, the coach returned the compliment and said something like "C'mon Lav. You've had some big wins too." Lavin responded quickly with "Not often enough! That's why I'm here."
After Lavin strongly criticized Howard's actions after the Wisconsin game, his colleagues played an old tape of a coach getting tossed. It was young Coach Lavin. He laughed along with them and added that he was not at all proud of getting tossed.
I'm sure he'll try to schedule a road game to Creighton as he loved Dollar Beer Night and used it as a fundraiser for cancer research:
(https://www.lawlorscustom.com/images/thumbs/0017356_the-official-steve-lavin-dollar-beer-night-shirt-10-per-shirt-will-be-donated-to-coaches-vs-cancer_550.jpeg)
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Butler assistant David Ragland heading to University of Evansville as their new head coach. Returning to his home town, with the mission to revive the Purple Aces
https://www.courierpress.com/story/sports/college/evansville/2022/05/24/what-know-evansville-mens-basketball-coach-david-ragland/9838495002/
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Bob McKillop retires after 33 years at Davidson. He's been replaced by his son, Matt.
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I’m sure they did a thorough search.
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Bob McKillop retires after 33 years at Davidson. He's been replaced by his son, Matt.
One of my favorite coaches and non-Marquette teams. An American hero for what he did in 2008
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One of my favorite coaches and non-Marquette teams. An American hero for what he did in 2008
And what he didn't do in 2013.
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And what he didn't do in 2013.
Whining in the post game presser was amusing.
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Whining in the post game presser was amusing.
It was. Of course, many coaches majored in whining. Witness Buzz after his mediocre TAMU team was "snubbed" because he couldn't beat Mizzou at home during an 8-game losing streak.
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It was. Of course, many coaches majored in whining. Witness Buzz after his mediocre TAMU team was "snubbed" because he couldn't beat Mizzou at home during an 8-game losing streak.
Buzz Williams is a lot of things, both good and bad. But as a whiner he barely moves the needle.
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Buzz Williams is a lot of things, both good and bad. But as a whiner he barely moves the needle.
I'm a Buzz fan, and I wish he and Marquette had found a way to work out their differences so he'd still be at our alma mater. But he did whine after he failed to get TAMU into the tourney this past season. It's OK to say that, because it's a fact.
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Buzz Williams is a lot of things, both good and bad. But as a whiner he barely moves the needle.
When you write a 9-page manifesto on the selection process and have copies ready to distribute to the media at your press conference, that's next level whining.
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I'm a Buzz fan, and I wish he and Marquette had found a way to work out their differences so he'd still be at our alma mater. But he did whine after he failed to get TAMU into the tourney this past season. It's OK to say that, because it's a fact.
Without protest there is no change. Buzz was standing up for what he believed in, for what he felt was wrong, for future change.
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Without protest there is no change. Buzz was standing up for what he believed in, for what he felt was wrong, for future change.
No, he was whining
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Without protest there is no change. Buzz was standing up for what he believed in, for what he felt was wrong, for future change.
No, Buzz was full of crap, as was his research. His argument was based on the number of SEC wins his team had, including the conference tournament (which has long been generally disregarded compared to the regular season). His team went 9-9 in the SEC, so that's strike one. In the regular season they went just 2-6 against SEC tourney teams and 3-8 overall in those games, so there's strike two. And the Selection Committee has always, repeatedly talked about teams challenging themselves. Buzz's team played EIGHT non-con buy games including a D2 opponent.
They didn't play enough good teams, when they did play good teams they generally lost, and they placed all their tournament hopes on a conference tournament that encompassed four days leading up to Selection Sunday. Maybe the future change he should advocate for is his school not playing an absolute dogs**t schedule, which has been something he has done consistently, repeatedly, and with a vapid desperate passion since he was at Marquette.
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No, Buzz was full of crap, as was his research. His argument was based on the number of SEC wins his team had, including the conference tournament (which has long been generally disregarded compared to the regular season). His team went 9-9 in the SEC, so that's strike one. In the regular season they went just 2-6 against SEC tourney teams and 3-8 overall in those games, so there's strike two. And the Selection Committee has always, repeatedly talked about teams challenging themselves. Buzz's team played EIGHT non-con buy games including a D2 opponent.
They didn't play enough good teams, when they did play good teams they generally lost, and they placed all their tournament hopes on a conference tournament that encompassed four days leading up to Selection Sunday. Maybe the future change he should advocate for is his school not playing an absolute dogs**t schedule, which has been something he has done consistently, repeatedly, and with a vapid desperate passion since he was at Marquette.
Buzz only cares about Team Buzz
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I think Buzz is pretty good at crafting facts to fit his narrative. The whole memorizing the presidents and his comments about the Big East on the way out made that pretty clear.
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No, Buzz was full of crap, as was his research. His argument was based on the number of SEC wins his team had, including the conference tournament (which has long been generally disregarded compared to the regular season). His team went 9-9 in the SEC, so that's strike one. In the regular season they went just 2-6 against SEC tourney teams and 3-8 overall in those games, so there's strike two. And the Selection Committee has always, repeatedly talked about teams challenging themselves. Buzz's team played EIGHT non-con buy games including a D2 opponent.
They didn't play enough good teams, when they did play good teams they generally lost, and they placed all their tournament hopes on a conference tournament that encompassed four days leading up to Selection Sunday. Maybe the future change he should advocate for is his school not playing an absolute dogs**t schedule, which has been something he has done consistently, repeatedly, and with a vapid desperate passion since he was at Marquette.
Yep, I loved Buzz’s tenure at MU as much as anyone and wish he had stuck around but the preoccupation with defending that rant is laughable. He whined and there is no dispute. He looked bad in that instance.
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Without protest there is no change. Buzz was standing up for what he believed in, for what he felt was wrong, for future change.
LOL, let me guaranty that no "change" will come from his whining. It likelyly caused more of his colleagues to roll their eyes than inspire them to pick up their tiki-torches and storm the castle.
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Yep, I loved Buzz’s tenure at MU as much as anyone and wish he had stuck around but the preoccupation with defending that rant is laughable. He whined and there is no dispute. He looked bad in that instance.
Are you suggesting the NCAA Selection Committee didn't take Buzz and his nine-page report extremely seriously?
Buzz made himself the college basketball coaching equivalent of this guy.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/man-wife-spreadsheet-sex_n_5605670
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Are you suggesting the NCAA Selection Committee didn't take Buzz and his nine-page report extremely seriously?
Buzz made himself the college basketball coaching equivalent of this guy.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/man-wife-spreadsheet-sex_n_5605670
Its almost like a crazy person that comes in with a list of extensive contract terms...
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No, Buzz was full of crap, as was his research. His argument was based on the number of SEC wins his team had, including the conference tournament (which has long been generally disregarded compared to the regular season). His team went 9-9 in the SEC, so that's strike one. In the regular season they went just 2-6 against SEC tourney teams and 3-8 overall in those games, so there's strike two. And the Selection Committee has always, repeatedly talked about teams challenging themselves. Buzz's team played EIGHT non-con buy games including a D2 opponent.
They didn't play enough good teams, when they did play good teams they generally lost, and they placed all their tournament hopes on a conference tournament that encompassed four days leading up to Selection Sunday. Maybe the future change he should advocate for is his school not playing an absolute dogs**t schedule, which has been something he has done consistently, repeatedly, and with a vapid desperate passion since he was at Marquette.
End of the day if MU finished the season as Texas A&M did, Scoop would have been in complete and total meltdown over not being selected. It's odd that an end of season tournament to decide the National Champion discounts and no longer factors how a team finishes the year, yet assings value to who/how they schedule during non-con at the beginning of the year.
Scoopers whined about the end of season meltdowns under Wojo, and how we limped to the finish last year - all of which led to getting blown out in Round1 of the NCAA. Imagine how Scoop would feel if we went on an end of season run like A&M did and you see a team like Rutgers limp in losing 4 of their last 6 and having losses against 103, 323, and 185 teams during Non-Con.
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Clones, I miss Buzz. I miss the Elite 8. Heck, I miss winning a single ncaa tourney game. A lost decade. Out.
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End of the day if MU finished the season as Texas A&M did, Scoop would have been in complete and total meltdown over not being selected. It's odd that an end of season tournament to decide the National Champion discounts and no longer factors how a team finishes the year, yet assings value to who/how they schedule during non-con at the beginning of the year.
Scoopers whined about the end of season meltdowns under Wojo, and how we limped to the finish last year - all of which led to getting blown out in Round1 of the NCAA. Imagine how Scoop would feel if we went on an end of season run like A&M did and you see a team like Rutgers limp in losing 4 of their last 6 and having losses against 103, 323, and 185 teams during Non-Con.
Cool story, bro
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End of the day if MU finished the season as Texas A&M did, Scoop would have been in complete and total meltdown over not being selected. It's odd that an end of season tournament to decide the National Champion discounts and no longer factors how a team finishes the year, yet assings value to who/how they schedule during non-con at the beginning of the year.
Scoopers whined about the end of season meltdowns under Wojo, and how we limped to the finish last year - all of which led to getting blown out in Round1 of the NCAA. Imagine how Scoop would feel if we went on an end of season run like A&M did and you see a team like Rutgers limp in losing 4 of their last 6 and having losses against 103, 323, and 185 teams during Non-Con.
It’s “odd” that NCAA doesn’t consider the entire season equally when it comes to at large bids? Doesn’t post season qualification in every other sport use the results of the entire season this way?
Should the NFL count December wins as two wins in the standings now?
Face it, the only reason you’re defending this nonsense is because it’s Buzz.
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Scoop loses its crap over most things. It’s not really an indicator of rational behavior.
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Scoop loses its crap over most things. It’s not really an indicator of rational behavior.
This. If our standard for appropriate coach behavior is the way Scoopers act, then God help us all.
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End of the day if MU finished the season as Texas A&M did, Scoop would have been in complete and total meltdown over not being selected. It's odd that an end of season tournament to decide the National Champion discounts and no longer factors how a team finishes the year, yet assings value to who/how they schedule during non-con at the beginning of the year.
Scoopers whined about the end of season meltdowns under Wojo, and how we limped to the finish last year - all of which led to getting blown out in Round1 of the NCAA. Imagine how Scoop would feel if we went on an end of season run like A&M did and you see a team like Rutgers limp in losing 4 of their last 6 and having losses against 103, 323, and 185 teams during Non-Con.
Elon, I understand where you are coming from. Many here would argue inclusion like Buzz but would still be mostly wrong.
I think that it was a way over the top impassioned plea for being one of the last teams in the tournament and that’s what makes it laughable. Especially when he or his team could have done something more about it over the rest of the 95% of the season.
Again, I like Buzz and can see the argument his way but wow he looked stupid for writing that dissertation in many peoples eyes.
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End of the day if MU finished the season as Texas A&M did, Scoop would have been in complete and total meltdown over not being selected. It's odd that an end of season tournament to decide the National Champion discounts and no longer factors how a team finishes the year, yet assings value to who/how they schedule during non-con at the beginning of the year.
Scoopers whined about the end of season meltdowns under Wojo, and how we limped to the finish last year - all of which led to getting blown out in Round1 of the NCAA. Imagine how Scoop would feel if we went on an end of season run like A&M did and you see a team like Rutgers limp in losing 4 of their last 6 and having losses against 103, 323, and 185 teams during Non-Con.
While I have always found it odd that the selection committee doesn't weight conference tournaments as heavily as the rest of the season, it is something they have been consistent on for years.
I would have been upset but my wrath would have gone towards us for scheduling a charmin soft non-con and not winning more during the regular season. I also would have found Buzz' whining to be cringeworthy.
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End of the day if MU finished the season as Texas A&M did, Scoop would have been in complete and total meltdown over not being selected. It's odd that an end of season tournament to decide the National Champion discounts and no longer factors how a team finishes the year, yet assings value to who/how they schedule during non-con at the beginning of the year.
Scoopers whined about the end of season meltdowns under Wojo, and how we limped to the finish last year - all of which led to getting blown out in Round1 of the NCAA. Imagine how Scoop would feel if we went on an end of season run like A&M did and you see a team like Rutgers limp in losing 4 of their last 6 and having losses against 103, 323, and 185 teams during Non-Con.
I've explained it in the past, but the "last 10 games" metric is dumb and should not be included. It doesn't matter how you finish because you cannot fairly measure that against everyone else. It is not and should not be part of the discussion. The Selection Committee gets that part right.
And how Scoop feels is irrelevant. We're biased fans. I was biased in Buzz's favor when he was here. Now that I've seen him roll out the same schtick and charade elsewhere, it gets a bit tiring. And this is the height of tiring.
Regardless, this isn't about personal opinions of Buzz, this isn't about if Rutgers deserved to be in ahead of TAMU (they didn't, but SMU should've been in ahead of both of them), and it isn't about the selection criteria. It's about Buzz being a whiner. It's about him not understanding the process or criteria of NCAA selection (probably not a good quality for a NCAA head coach).
Buzz came up short because his team wasn't good enough in conference play (8 game losing streak) to overcome his piss-poor scheduling (8 buy games) in non-conference play. And rather than own up to his responsibility for that (it is 100% his fault, he's been doing this same BS scheduling for years) he tries to pawn it off on someone else.
Compare A&M's non-con schedule to our own:
- Texas A&M: 13 games, 5 high major, , 3 top-100 NET, 8 buy games
- Marquette: 11 games, 6 high major, 6 top-100 NET, 4 buy games
We played more high-majors and more top teams despite playing fewer overall games. Maybe instead of 8 buy games, he should've called other high-majors, or even reached out to a Loyola-Chicago, SMU, or San Francisco, all of whom would fall all over themselves to get a neutral or home-and-home with TAMU. But Buzz doesn't schedule like that. He has always scheduled like a coward. I don't know why, but I do know that the reason his team was in position to be left out is not because of what they did do, but because of what they didn't do, both on the phones in April and on the court from November through February.
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Buzz now making some changes. They have scheduled a home-and-home with the DePaul Blue Demons.
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Buzz now making some changes. They have scheduled a home-and-home with the DePaul Blue Demons.
I see no changes
( wake up in the morning and I ask myself)
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Buzz now making some changes. They have scheduled a home-and-home with the DePaul Blue Demons.
It takes a lot of guts to schedule The Sleeping Giant.
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It takes a lot of guts to schedule The Sleeping Giant.
They beat us pretty much every year - in the mid to recent past anyway.
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They beat us pretty much every year - in the mid to recent past anyway.
Thanks for the reality check Lenny. Do you play the role of wet blanket off scoop as well?
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They beat us pretty much every year - in the mid to recent past anyway.
Lol. Leave it to Lenny’s to defend Buzz for scheduling DePaul…
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Buzz now making some changes. They have scheduled a home-and-home with the DePaul Blue Demons.
Buzz hunting those Quad 3 wins.
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Without protest there is no change. Buzz was standing up for what he believed in, for what he felt was wrong, for future change.
End of the day if MU finished the season as Texas A&M did, Scoop would have been in complete and total meltdown over not being selected. It's odd that an end of season tournament to decide the National Champion discounts and no longer factors how a team finishes the year, yet assings value to who/how they schedule during non-con at the beginning of the year.
Scoopers whined about the end of season meltdowns under Wojo, and how we limped to the finish last year - all of which led to getting blown out in Round1 of the NCAA. Imagine how Scoop would feel if we went on an end of season run like A&M did and you see a team like Rutgers limp in losing 4 of their last 6 and having losses against 103, 323, and 185 teams during Non-Con.
I know one Scooper who whined so much about how horrible Buzz was during the 2013-14 season that he received a long Scoopcation.
Not sure why you give 2 shytes about TAMU's program -- and a coach you ripped mercilessly for most of a year ... but it was Buzz's fault, and Buzz's fault alone, that TAMU didn't make the tournament last season.
Win another game or 2 and/or don't schedule like a low-major, and you make the tourney. Period. Stop the effen whining.
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I know one Scooper who whined so much about how horrible Buzz was during the 2013-14 season that he received a long Scoopcation.
Not sure why you give 2 shytes about TAMU's program -- and a coach you ripped mercilessly for most of a year ... but it was Buzz's fault, and Buzz's fault alone, that TAMU didn't make the tournament last season.
Win another game or 2 and/or don't schedule like a low-major, and you make the tourney. Period. Stop the effen whining.
Shouldn't this guy have the final say?
https://kenpom.com/ (https://kenpom.com/)
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I see no changes
( wake up in the morning and I ask myself)
Is life worth living, should I blast myself?
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Rod Strickland new LIU coach
https://collegebasketball.ap.org/LeaderTelegram/article/former-nba-pg-rod-strickland-hired-liu-basketball-coach
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Rod Strickland new LIU coach
https://collegebasketball.ap.org/LeaderTelegram/article/former-nba-pg-rod-strickland-hired-liu-basketball-coach
He was a very good to great NBA player. This could be a sneaky good hire. I like it for LIU.
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He was a very good to great NBA player. This could be a sneaky good hire. I like it for LIU.
great at DePaul. Not a great nba player, however, but did play in 3 decades for 9 teams averaging 13/7. Should stir the pot in NYC recruiting.
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great at DePaul. Not a great nba player, however, but did play in 3 decades for 9 teams averaging 13/7. Should stir the pot in NYC recruiting.
They’ll probably be better than St. John’s
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Bump
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Assuming the Texas job opens up, we could have some big changes coming.
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Jay Wright to Texas.
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Shaka to Texas ;)
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Joe Golding to Texas.
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Chris Beard once lit up his walk ons for dunking. Dude sucks. Buzz to Texas.
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Beard is a really, really good coach but he’s wound awfully tight. Sounds like a man in serious need of help. Prayers (and maybe an order of protection) for his family.
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If there were to be a coaching change at UT (which there won't be, but let's pretend), my guess is that Buzz would break his neck trying to get that job.
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If there were to be a coaching change at UT (which there won't be, but let's pretend), my guess is that Buzz would break his neck trying to get that job.
He would be pretty far down on their list IMO.
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taylor made job for wojo eyn'a?
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He would be pretty far down on their list IMO.
Yea he needs to make at least a pair of second weekends, much less get to the tourney, before he is anywhere on the radar of a promotion.
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Yea he needs to make at least a pair of second weekends, much less get to the tourney, before he is anywhere on the radar of a promotion.
Well I bet he has a fully prepared speech and presentation explaining how it's every factor except for his scheduling, coaching, and recruiting that has prevented the second weekends at A&M. Then 4 Buzz's bunch videos.
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Well I bet he has a fully prepared speech and presentation explaining how it's every factor except for his scheduling, coaching, and recruiting that has prevented the second weekends at A&M. Then 4 Buzz's bunch videos.
An article talking about how it's the SEC's fault and A&M never should've left the B12
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An article talking about how it's the SEC's fault and A&M never should've left the B12
At Texas, I heard the student managers flush, though.
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If there are any Dale Layer sightings in Austin, we'll know for sure.
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see, shaka knew when to get out of there...before he beat his family
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taylor made job for wojo eyn'a?
taylor made job for wojo eyn'a?
Did you forget you posted this 90 minutes earlier?
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Did you forget you posted this 90 minutes earlier?
no, when i returned, it showed to be unsent and to review because others had posted something, so i hit send again
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no, when i returned, it showed to be unsent and to review because others had posted something, so i hit send again
plus, i needed the numbers trying to catch up to you scoop pros
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Shaka to Texas ;)
Smart money is on Rick Barnes.
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Smart money is on Rick Barnes.
Rick will be 69 in July
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I would guess Eric Musselman will be among their top choices.
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I could see Musselman. Kelvin Sampson?
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I could see Musselman. Kelvin Sampson?
Only half joking but I could see them throwing a ton of money at calipari and cal looking for something new after Kentucky.
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Only half joking but I could see them throwing a ton of money at calipari and cal looking for something new after Kentucky.
That's not a bad call.
Jay Wright? They could bring out several Brinks trucks. Pop if they don't get Wemby? :)
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Oh.....Quin Synder?
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Only half joking but I could see them throwing a ton of money at calipari and cal looking for something new after Kentucky.
I follow the logic but Cal is threatened by UK football. I think Taxas football would scare the sh!t out of him.
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Only half joking but I could see them throwing a ton of money at calipari and cal looking for something new after Kentucky.
Cal's 63 already and there's speculation he only agreed to the Gonzaga series with a game at the Kennel in 6 years because he doesn't plan to be around for it. I could definitely see Muss, maybe even Nate Oats. But that's trying to find another Chris Beard, and those types are rare and hard to pry away.
If they can't get someone already winning and recruiting at that level, where do they go? Someone out of work like Chris Mack? Maybe the next level HM like Buzz or Mike Young? A top mid-major like Anthony Grant or Grant McCasland? The hottest name after the tourney?
Sure seems like a program that will just never hit the highs they expect if they can't get this to work out with Beard.
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I mean you never really know, but UT was set up with a successful coach who had his dream job and was probably going to be there 20+ years. 36 hours ago, hiring a new men's basketball coach was the last thing on that AD's mind.
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Cal's 63 already and there's speculation he only agreed to the Gonzaga series with a game at the Kennel in 6 years because he doesn't plan to be around for it. I could definitely see Muss, maybe even Nate Oats. But that's trying to find another Chris Beard, and those types are rare and hard to pry away.
If they can't get someone already winning and recruiting at that level, where do they go? Someone out of work like Chris Mack? Maybe the next level HM like Buzz or Mike Young? A top mid-major like Anthony Grant or Grant McCasland? The hottest name after the tourney?
Sure seems like a program that will just never hit the highs they expect if they can't get this to work out with Beard.
Rumor here in Michigan is Nate Oats takes over Sparty once Izzo retires. He might hold off for that
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Rumor here in Michigan is Nate Oats takes over Sparty once Izzo retires. He might hold off for that
I hope he holds off as long as possible. Better on the bench than in the studio. Izzo on TV reminds me of a high school gym teacher. Probably helps him as a coach but he'd not someone who can talk over your head.
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Rumor here in Michigan is Nate Oats takes over Sparty once Izzo retires. He might hold off for that
I was told the reason Stephens took the Western Michigan job was to get experience in the big chair so that he can return when Izzo leaves. The Broncos are horrible so far this year, so the jury is still out as to whether that is still plan A.
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Cal's 63 already and there's speculation he only agreed to the Gonzaga series with a game at the Kennel in 6 years because he doesn't plan to be around for it.
Yea because he’s going to Texas
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Yea he needs to make at least a pair of second weekends, much less get to the tourney, before he is anywhere on the radar of a promotion.
the MU sweet 16’s & elite 8 don’t count?
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the MU sweet 16’s & elite 8 don’t count?
From 10 years and two programs ago?
No, not really.
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The VCU final 4 counted to MU fans.
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The VCU final 4 counted to MU fans.
Texas should go after Gregg Marshall.
Or Kevin Ollie.
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Texas should go after Gregg Marshall.
Or Kevin Ollie.
Marshall has some baggage associated with him. Doubt Texas would go down that road after their current coach is sidelined due to his inability to control his temper.
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What about Dan Hurley?
A thru and thru east coast guy, but his brother Bobby is over at ASU and both are having awesome seasons.
He’s young and has been successful at many different stops.
Not sure what his contract situation is, but he’s gonna be due for a bump in Storrs pretty soon if he keeps this up
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Beard came with plenty of baggage from T Tech. Not as nasty as Buzz, but at least Brent is not a biter.
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Beard left TT for not a lot more money to go to a hated rival. Flamethrower to those bridges. It had been said he wasn't going to leave the state of Texas so that he could be part of his daughter's life. So, yeah, baggage.
His assistant is getting an audition for the next 3 months.
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What about Dan Hurley?
A thru and thru east coast guy, but his brother Bobby is over at ASU and both are having awesome seasons.
He’s young and has been successful at many different stops.
Not sure what his contract situation is, but he’s gonna be due for a bump in Storrs pretty soon if he keeps this up
I heard Dan Hurley is a lifer at UConn unless the Celtics make an offer.
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Beard left TT for not a lot more money to go to a hated rival. Flamethrower to those bridges. It had been said he wasn't going to leave the state of Texas so that he could be part of his daughter's life. So, yeah, baggage.
His assistant is getting an audition for the next 3 months.
Beards a longhorns alum I believe so maybe not the same "hated rival" perception
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Hated by Texas Tech fans.
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They have to call Billy Donovan.
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Tom Crean - tan, rested, and ready!
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Tom Crean - tan, rested, and ready!
Crean should stay in the studio, he is pretty good. I'd lose the Garry Parrish lavender jacket, though. Clashes with the tan.
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Crean sucks
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https://nypost.com/2022/12/12/chris-beard-arrested-on-domestic-assault-charge/
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Crean rode that Marquette success, all the way into the studio.....
I didn't realize he had been fired from Georgia, then I looked up his record there. Yikes!!! He had a sub .400 winning percentage overall.
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Crean rode that Marquette success, all the way into the studio.....
I didn't realize he had been fired from Georgia, then I looked up his record there. Yikes!!! He had a sub .400 winning percentage overall.
From "turnaround specialist" to specialist in leaving a mess for the next guy to turn around.
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From "turnaround specialist" to specialist in leaving a mess for the next guy to turn around.
The ladies have always considered me a “turnaround specialist.”
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The ladies have always considered me a “turnaround specialist.”
Aka: slump buster
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The ladies have always considered me a “turnaround specialist.”
Because they would see you coming and told you to "turnaround"?
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Or they turnaround and head the other way.
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From 10 years and two programs ago?
No, not really.
does the MU 1977 natty count?
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does the MU 1977 natty count?
Marquette's 1977 national championship doesn't count toward Buzz Williams' job prospects at Texas.
Or are we talking about something different now?
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does the MU 1977 natty count?
is hologram Al trying to get the Texas job?
Tubby smith also won a national championship, he also crapped out at his last three stops. There's a reason he's not coaching. As a program Kentucky still can tout that success but it shows a coach hasn't adapted to modern times
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If they can't get someone already winning and recruiting at that level, where do they go? Someone out of work like Chris Mack? Maybe the next level HM like Buzz or Mike Young? A top mid-major like Anthony Grant or Grant McCasland? The hottest name after the tourney?
Outside of McCasland, pretty sure every one of those options would make Texas fans riot, and for good reason.
Chris Mack was bad at Louisville, even without the Gaudio drama.
Mike Young has done a nice job at VT, but I can't see Texas being happy with a 60 year old who has spent 90% of his career at a low major and won a single NCAA game in 20+ years of being a D1 head coach.
Why would any major hire Anthony Grant, much less Texas? Mediocrity personified at Bama. Been ok at Dayton, caught lightning in a bottle with a Jr/Sr laden team with a lottery pick in 19-20 (that beat nobody non-con and feasted on a down A10 whose 2nd best team would have been middle of the pack in the BE and whose 4th best team would have been battling with Depaul and Gtown at the bottom.) Since then he had a medicore year, missed the tourney last year even beating Kansas, Miami, and Belmont non-con, then came into 2022 as a pre-season top 25 before losing 4 of the 5 meaningful games they played early on. (Not picking on you, I saw people floating his name for jobs last year). He's in his late 50s by next year, I think he's found his level.
I hope he holds off as long as possible. Better on the bench than in the studio. Izzo on TV reminds me of a high school gym teacher. Probably helps him as a coach but he'd not someone who can talk over your head.
Assuming he coaches another 4-5 years, he'll be 71-72 when he retires. He's not gonna go TV. He's gonna sit at the lake house in Grand Haven and make token appearances at MSU events.
the MU sweet 16’s & elite 8 don’t count?
Buzz's MU stuff doesn't count because its 3 jobs ago. Shaka was interesting to bring up VCU success cause he left to go to a huge football school that was an interesting fit. Buzz has been at 2 completely different schools, in different conferences, in different geographies. That matters more than something 10 years ago 3 jobs ago. Especially when you have recent history at a school in the same state in the same conference.
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And that's the problem. There just isn't a Beard level coach they can get. Also, Mack had Louisville ranked #1 in year 2 and got hamstrung by COVID, like many coaches did. The Gaudio stuff wasn't great, but they were light years better with Mack than they've been since firing him.
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Marquette's 1977 national championship doesn't count toward Buzz Williams' job prospects at Texas.
Or are we talking about something different now?
different…but at this point, never mind.
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And that's the problem. There just isn't a Beard level coach they can get. Also, Mack had Louisville ranked #1 in year 2 and got hamstrung by COVID, like many coaches did. The Gaudio stuff wasn't great, but they were light years better with Mack than they've been since firing him.
Yeah, and interestingly, for as long tenured and accomplished a coach he is, Rick Barnes' coaching tree is pretty terrible. I can't think of any Texas assistants or alums who are coaches anywhere near the level they'd want. The only one I can think of in a higher level job is Rob Lanier, who was an assistant under Barnes at UT twice, but he was pretty mediocre as a HC and his start at SMU hasn't been great. Jerrance Howard could have been an intriguing pick, but I'm pretty sure that bridge was burned on his way out.
They could do way worse than McCasland, but I don't know how sexy he is for a fickle fan base.
An interesting name who likely won't get traction...Will Weaver. From Austin, was a undergrad running camps then managing under Barnes. Then became an assistant for 4-5 years. Became friendly with Sam Hinkie and then became an assistant with the Sixers and Nets. Did a great job for 2 seasons in the G League and won coach of the year. Then went to Sydney in the NBL and won there before COVID sidetracked him, then he went to the Rockets for 2 seasons. Now he's coaching Paris in the French LNB. Only 37 I believe. Definitely think he gets a high level job in the NBA before long. But I think Texas would be appealing to him.
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Cal's 63 already and there's speculation he only agreed to the Gonzaga series with a game at the Kennel in 6 years because he doesn't plan to be around for it. I could definitely see Muss, maybe even Nate Oats. But that's trying to find another Chris Beard, and those types are rare and hard to pry away.
If they can't get someone already winning and recruiting at that level, where do they go? Someone out of work like Chris Mack? Maybe the next level HM like Buzz or Mike Young? A top mid-major like Anthony Grant or Grant McCasland? The hottest name after the tourney?
Sure seems like a program that will just never hit the highs they expect if they can't get this to work out with Beard.
They'll roll up the Brinks truck to buy out Chris Jans' contract at Mississippi State and be done with it. Winner at every level he's coached, top-5 ranked and 9-0 in year one at Mississippi State. Plus takes out a future conference foe.
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They'll roll up the Brinks truck to buy out Chris Jans' contract at Mississippi State and be done with it. Winner at every level he's coached, top-5 ranked and 9-0 in year one at Mississippi State. Plus takes out a future conference foe.
You think they’re gonna need a Brinks truck for Chris Jans??? After one year coaching at the high major level?
If they’re rolling it out it will be for the likes of Musselman.
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You think they’re gonna need a Brinks truck for Chris Jans??? After one year coaching at the high major level?
If they’re rolling it out it will be for the likes of Musselman.
And fired not much more than 5 years ago for drunkenly groping in bars.
Could Brad Underwood be swayed back to the Southwest? Beard is making $5M, I think Underwood makes $3.5 at U of I. And Austin>>>>Champaign
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They'll roll up the Brinks truck to buy out Chris Jans' contract at Mississippi State and be done with it. Winner at every level he's coached, top-5 ranked and 9-0 in year one at Mississippi State. Plus takes out a future conference foe.
Yeah...because drunk groping is a step up from battery.
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Will Wade.
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Kevin Durant comes home.
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i've always liked bobby hurley 's chances as a coach. he's off to a nice start at asu and he seems to have that shaka mentality with the players.
now with ucla and usc leaving pac 10 for the big 20 or whatever they are now, pac 8 may not seem as desirable to players except for the weather and the umm, persons having XX chromosomes at birth
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i've always liked bobby hurley 's chances as a coach. he's off to a nice start at asu and he seems to have that shaka mentality with the players.
now with ucla and usc leaving pac 10 for the big 20 or whatever they are now, pac 8 may not seem as desirable to players except for the weather and the umm, persons having XX chromosomes at birth
Why are you so weird
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If one looked at Hurley's record going into this season and didn't know it was him, one would ask, "How does this guy keep his job?"
Very similar record to Wojo ... but in a weaker conference and with two fewer winning seasons.
Off to a good start this season but we'll see. DePaul has had 10-1 starts, too.
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Yeah Hurley is in his eighth season at ASU. He's made the tournament twice, last time in 2018-19, and not won any games.
We will see how he ends up this year, but I think it is safe to say that his tenure has largely been disappointing.
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ASU has way lower expectations than MU to be fair. Probably higher than I'm giving credit for but a Wojo esque resume likely keeps a job there
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ASU has way lower expectations than MU to be fair. Probably higher than I'm giving credit for but a Wojo esque resume likely keeps a job there
I know MU82 compared his tenure to Wojo, but I am not. So far, he has accomplished less in his tenure than his predecessor, Herb Sendek, who was fired after nine seasons. And Herb Sendek is about as mediocre a coach as there is in college basketball - hard to believe he's in his 26th season as a head coach. He has a career winning percentage of .576 and a conference record well under .500.
I think it is safe to say that they were expecting more when they hired him.
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I know MU82 compared his tenure to Wojo, but I am not. So far, he has accomplished less in his tenure than his predecessor, Herb Sendek, who was fired after nine seasons. And Herb Sendek is about as mediocre a coach as there is in college basketball - hard to believe he's in his 26th season as a head coach. He has a career winning percentage of .576 and a conference record well under .500.
I think it is safe to say that they were expecting more when they hired him.
What ASU didn't know was that Nate Oats was the man behind the man at Buffalo.
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What ASU didn't know was that Nate Oats was the man behind the man at Buffalo.
Exactly.
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yes i did realize bobby hurley's record going in to this season was tough to swallow, but i think there is more there than meets the eye. he must be doing a lot of things right, but i'm sure the "W" column better be top heavy this year or he will join wojo in the studio. just saying i like the guy, he's still a gym rat at heart and seems to connect with his players. but rubber's gotta hit the road this year
oh, and to my buddy hards...just trying to get with the times man and be a little "woke" or whatever, but i'm the weird one? that speaks volumes...cool!
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yes i did realize bobby hurley's record going in to this season was tough to swallow, but i think there is more there than meets the eye. he must be doing a lot of things right, but i'm sure the "W" column better be top heavy this year or he will join wojo in the studio. just saying i like the guy, he's still a gym rat at heart and seems to connect with his players. but rubber's gotta hit the road this year
oh, and to my buddy hards...just trying to get with the times man and be a little "woke" or whatever, but i'm the weird one? that speaks volumes...cool!
Yes, you're being weird.
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yes i did realize bobby hurley's record going in to this season was tough to swallow, but i think there is more there than meets the eye. he must be doing a lot of things right, but i'm sure the "W" column better be top heavy this year or he will join wojo in the studio. just saying i like the guy, he's still a gym rat at heart and seems to connect with his players. but rubber's gotta hit the road this year
I don't know what you mean by "more than meets the eye." He's been there 8 years. It is completely his program. At this point, his record and accomplishments are self-evident.
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Went to an ASU game last year....campus was very average and the arena was awful. We had great seats...front row....and there was a huge sub-woofer or speaker (i really have no clue) in each corner and right in front of us that was so damn loud i just reached over the railing and unplugged it. The one cool thing was when the game was over the players all did a lap around the floor and gave high-fives to the fans, and all the kids knew to run to the tunnel area and they got high-fives and some brief conversations with hurley and the players. My son really enjoyed that.
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yes i did realize bobby hurley's record going in to this season was tough to swallow, but i think there is more there than meets the eye. he must be doing a lot of things right, but i'm sure the "W" column better be top heavy this year or he will join wojo in the studio. just saying i like the guy, he's still a gym rat at heart and seems to connect with his players. but rubber's gotta hit the road this year
oh, and to my buddy hards...just trying to get with the times man and be a little "woke" or whatever, but i'm the weird one? that speaks volumes...cool!
2 out of 10 for the alarming lack of basketball acumen
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2 out of 10 for the alarming lack of basketball acumen
What did you do to earn a 2 week bancation?
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What did you do to earn a 2 week bancation?
No bancation. Just cation
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No bancation. Just cation
Welcome back. Next time get someone other than Newsie to fill in for you. At best, he was a 2 out of 10.
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I know MU82 compared his tenure to Wojo, but I am not. So far, he has accomplished less in his tenure than his predecessor, Herb Sendek, who was fired after nine seasons. And Herb Sendek is about as mediocre a coach as there is in college basketball - hard to believe he's in his 26th season as a head coach. He has a career winning percentage of .576 and a conference record well under .500.
I think it is safe to say that they were expecting more when they hired him.
Sendek was the young hot shot at Miami, then actually did a pretty solid job at NC St. Only missed the post season once, 5 straight NCAAs and 60% winning percentage in the ACC the last 5 seasons. But he was getting killed by Duke and UNC, so alums were annoyed and he left on his own for a place with low expectations. ASU had 2 NCAAs in 15 years prior to him, they would have killed for those NC State results. But no doubt he was truly mediocre at ASU once Harden left.
Santa Clara was just happy to have a coach who was COY in 3 diff conferences and he can coast there as long as they don’t bottom out
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Welcome back. Next time get someone other than Newsie to fill in for you. At best, he was a 2 out of 10.
Lenny wins the internet this week.
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Lenny wins the internet this week.
COLE
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2 out of 10 for the alarming lack of basketball acumen
reeko, lack of basketball "acumen"?? who the hell are you, john wooden?
i wasn't stating facts, just my opinions. or for those of you in rio linda, feelings...and "alarming" what you do, take an english class while you were away, trying to sound astute? failure
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reeko, lack of basketball "acumen"?? who the hell are you, john wooden?
i wasn't stating facts, just my opinions. or for those of you in rio linda, feelings...and "alarming" what you do, take an english class while you were away, trying to sound astute? failure
ITS LIKE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINNNNNNNNN ON YOUR WEDDING DAY
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reeko, lack of basketball "acumen"?? who the hell are you, john wooden?
i wasn't stating facts, just my opinions. or for those of you in rio linda, feelings...and "alarming" what you do, take an english class while you were away, trying to sound astute? failure
Compared to you? I’m James Naismith. Stick to agreeing with Goose
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.... the good adviiiiiiiiiice
that you just didnt take.....
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I have to say Lenny’s post was spot on. Rico needs to find a find a new pigeon to fill in when he is not online.
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Compared to you? I’m James Naismith. Stick to agreeing with Goose
i knew james naismith and sir, you are no james naismith
boy this place was doing just fine without you the past 2 weeks
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Wait are we talking about pigeons or owls? I'm not an ornithologist and want to focus on the right thing.
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Jake
To make things easier, replace pigeon with lackey. We are having a nice owl discussion and hate to muddy the water.
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i knew james naismith and sir, you are no james naismith
boy this place was doing just fine without you the past 2 weeks
Just stick to agreeing with Goose and keep the basketball talk to the adults
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Wait are we talking about pigeons or owls? I'm not an ornithologist and want to focus on the right thing.
He has the grace of a swan, the wisdom of an owl, and the eye of an eagle—ladies and gentlemen, this man is for the birds!
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Just stick to agreeing with Goose and keep the basketball talk to the adults
as long as you keep spooning newsdude
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as long as you keep spooning newsdude
Just because he hasn’t rejected me like Joy Behar has constantly rejected you shouldn’t make you jealous, but alas, here we are
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Welcome back. Next time get someone other than Newsie to fill in for you. At best, he was a 2 out of 10.
I agree with this analysis.
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.... the good adviiiiiiiiiice
that you just didnt take.....
FTR, most of the examples in "Isn't it Ironic" aren't actually irony. They are just unfortunate coincidences.
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Yes.
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FTR, most of the examples in "Isn't it Ironic" aren't actually irony. They are just unfortunate coincidences.
Right?! Hasn’t Alanis ever seen “Reality Bites”?
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FTR, most of the examples in "Isn't it Ironic" aren't actually irony. They are just unfortunate coincidences.
Or is Alanis being ironic by writing a song about irony filled with unironic situations???
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The only thing Newsie has in common with Rico is Puerto. The Meatheads need to focus their ire elsewhere. Newsie is into parody. Just know if you don't get the first layer, there are two or three others.
#poncegold
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Or is Alanis being ironic by writing a song about irony filled with unironic situations???
Yeah, that's the point of the song. Don't you think?
And yeah I really do think.
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Or is Alanis being ironic by writing a song about irony filled with unironic situations???
She made millions and it is still being discussed.
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so how 'bout that coach shaka...
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Or is Alanis being ironic by writing a song about irony filled with unironic situations???
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;D
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The only thing Newsie has in common with Rico is Puerto. The Meatheads need to focus their ire elsewhere. Newsie is into parody. Just know if you don't get the first layer, there are two or three others.
#poncegold
Yo Dr., all I got to say is that I feel so grateful that I get so much attention from the self anointed brightest minds of Scoop. I'm so happy thank you, thank you, thank you!
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Smoke out there that Juwan Howard is out.
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Smoke out there that Juwan Howard is out.
I’m curious to see what type of interest the school shows in Shaka.
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Smoke out there that Juwan Howard is out.
https://twitter.com/CBKReport/status/1734033225079533948?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1734033225079533948%7Ctwgr%5Ed11c946305fde4efc7c935f76fa11674d2ed87c5%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.elevenwarriors.com%2Fforum%2Fcollege-sports%2F2023%2F12%2F143887%2Fjuwan-howard-being-fired-by-ttun
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Smoke out there that Juwan Howard is out.
One fake Twitter account, and several “journalistic outlets” that didn’t bother to verify it on their own. Yipes.
Here is the fake Twitter account:
https://x.com/jomrothstein/status/1734028126164774974?s=46&t=TsCCkuE48YmnkWfoKqc_Ng
Here is a non fake Twitter account:
https://x.com/jalenrose/status/1734059231467512124?s=46&t=TsCCkuE48YmnkWfoKqc_Ng
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Jalen Rose
@JalenRose
.@JuwanHoward did not & is not stepping down as HC. He is enthusiastically hoping to return Dec 16th. Juwan is literally recovering from OPEN HEART SURGERY done Sept 15th. HAIL!!!!!
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I double checked to be sure this wasn't from Jalem Rose.
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Fanta reposted this saying there was an confrontation but he’s not out yet:
https://x.com/bfquinn/status/1734074148970725806?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
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Trilly Donovan also usually knows what’s up:
https://x.com/trillydonovan/status/1734027059431702655?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
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I’m curious to see what type of interest the school shows in Shaka.
Michigan would be Texas all over again. A school where football is their first priority and the fan base is delusional about the level of their program.
Do you know how to find out if someone you meet went to Michigan? Easy…they’ll tell you.
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Michigan would be Texas all over again. A school where football is their first priority and the fan base is delusional about the level of their program.
Do you know how to find out if someone you meet went to Michigan? Easy…they’ll tell you.
I don't know if Michigan's as clueless as Texas. they have a championship and a 8 final fours (6 runner ups), that's above georgetowns history. Whereas Texas just assumes they're among the best because "we're Texas!"
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One fake Twitter account, and several “journalistic outlets” that didn’t bother to verify it on their own. Yipes.
Here is the fake Twitter account:
https://x.com/jomrothstein/status/1734028126164774974?s=46&t=TsCCkuE48YmnkWfoKqc_Ng
Here is a non fake Twitter account:
https://x.com/jalenrose/status/1734059231467512124?s=46&t=TsCCkuE48YmnkWfoKqc_Ng
Gotta give it to whoever created the "Jom Rothstein" account. He gets multiple media outlets to bite on almost all of his "reports"
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Gotta give it to whoever created the "Jom Rothstein" account. He gets multiple media outlets to bite on almost all of his "reports"
Hes gotten this board multiple times over the weekend even
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One fake Twitter account, and several “journalistic outlets” that didn’t bother to verify it on their own. Yipes.
Here is the fake Twitter account:
https://x.com/jomrothstein/status/1734028126164774974?s=46&t=TsCCkuE48YmnkWfoKqc_Ng
Here is a non fake Twitter account:
https://x.com/jalenrose/status/1734059231467512124?s=46&t=TsCCkuE48YmnkWfoKqc_Ng
Fear not - We all know shoot hoops is the preeminent authority on verifying twitter accounts validity.
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Hes gotten this board multiple times over the weekend even
Maybe its NLW.
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It looks like video of the confrontation leaked.
https://youtu.be/rYnfCUgAFz0?si=ZNJeU9SHx6mFLvbd
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Fear not - We all know shoot hoops is the preeminent authority on verifying twitter accounts validity.
Lol. You seem obsessed with me Nico following me around. Maybe try a nap at day care.
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Lol. You seem obsessed with me Nico following me around. Maybe try a nap at day care.
Did you have to double check Jom Rothstein's linked account to confirm he isn't a real journalist ?
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Did you have to double check Jom Rothstein's linked account to confirm he isn't a real journalist ?
Rent free.
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Rent free.
Your lack of self awareness is truly impressive
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Your lack of self awareness is truly impressive
Only one of us is following the other around the board.
It’s always the one projecting that is last to know.
Free Nico.
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Only one of us is following the other around the board.
It’s always the one projecting that is last to know.
Free Nico.
Once again, your lack of self awarwnsss is truly impressive.
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Charlotte's MLS team just hired a guy named Dean Smith as coach.
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He'll knock 'em dead, hey?
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Charlotte's MLS team just hired a guy named Dean Smith as coach.
They’re rumored to be after this guy as his new signing !
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Doherty_(footballer,_born_1992)
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Charlotte's MLS team just hired a guy named Dean Smith as coach.
As if soccer isn't boring enough, now it will have the Four Corners. >:(