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Quote from: JWags85 on March 13, 2022, 11:11:36 PM
Have to think he was...encouraged to leave by UF.  He was making $3MM a year so its not like UGA is gonna give him a massive raise and its unquestionably a worse job

I'm guessing you're right - a bit like Shaka leaving Texas. 

I could see the UF job being Pitino's last hurrah.  He could get them back into the national spotlight pretty quickly.  Ironically Iona plays UF in the NIT this week, so the interview couldn't be easier. 

The Equalizer

The Athletic is reporting McDermott (along with Archie MIller and Wes Miller) as a leading candidate for LSU.

https://theathletic.com/3179272/2022/03/12/lsu-mens-basketball-coaching-candidates-archie-miller-greg-mcdermott-and-wes-miller-lead-brian-hamiltons-list/

"Greg McDermott, Creighton head coach. Stay with us. We're not sure how McDermott would fare in the SEC's piranha-infested recruiting waters. But he's 57 years old and he reportedly makes less than $2 million a year at Creighton. And he's an extremely good ball coach who would put an entertaining, winning product on the floor. Maybe Woodward makes an offer McDermott can't refuse and McDermott endures the rebuild with an eye to finishing his career with a lot of money and lot of wins once LSU is back on track."


Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Equalizer on March 14, 2022, 09:11:06 AM
The Athletic is reporting McDermott (along with Archie MIller and Wes Miller) as a leading candidate for LSU.

https://theathletic.com/3179272/2022/03/12/lsu-mens-basketball-coaching-candidates-archie-miller-greg-mcdermott-and-wes-miller-lead-brian-hamiltons-list/

"Greg McDermott, Creighton head coach. Stay with us. We're not sure how McDermott would fare in the SEC's piranha-infested recruiting waters. But he's 57 years old and he reportedly makes less than $2 million a year at Creighton. And he's an extremely good ball coach who would put an entertaining, winning product on the floor. Maybe Woodward makes an offer McDermott can't refuse and McDermott endures the rebuild with an eye to finishing his career with a lot of money and lot of wins once LSU is back on track."

Woodward will swing bigger than that.  No offense to McDermott who did great work this year, but this is going to be a search that will take big shots at big names.

Secondly, McDermott would be well out his comfort zone.  That's a terrible fit
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brewcity77

Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 14, 2022, 09:18:44 AMWoodward will swing bigger than that.

The SEC has really prioritized their schools pursuing marquee coaches. Not sure McDermott has the tournament resume for that job, unless they make another run this year. Of the Miller brothers, I feel like Sean might be more of a fit. Better recruiter than his brother, though LSU might not want to deal with someone who has potential sanctions hanging over after the Will Wade experience.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2022, 09:29:53 AM
The SEC has really prioritized their schools pursuing marquee coaches. Not sure McDermott has the tournament resume for that job, unless they make another run this year. Of the Miller brothers, I feel like Sean might be more of a fit. Better recruiter than his brother, though LSU might not want to deal with someone who has potential sanctions hanging over after the Will Wade experience.

I could see McDermott chase a bigger job given his age but I'd be surprised if it's LSU.

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brewcity77

Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 14, 2022, 09:36:34 AM
I could see McDermott chase a bigger job given his age but I'd be surprised if it's LSU.

I think the Ohio State gig that Holtmann got a few years ago would've been a better fit. If McDermott goes, I think the Big 10 or (oddly) Pac-12 would be better fits for him.

Dr. Blackheart

So LSU fires Wade for the FBI probe, while hiring McDermott?

wildbillsb

Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 14, 2022, 09:18:44 AM
Woodward will swing bigger than that.  No offense to McDermott who did great work this year, but this is going to be a search that will take big shots at big names.

Secondly, McDermott would be well out his comfort zone.  That's a terrible fit

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Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 14, 2022, 09:50:47 AM
So LSU fires Wade for the FBI probe, while hiring McDermott?

Well muwarrior69 is LSU's AD, so #donedeal

panda

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2022, 09:29:53 AM
The SEC has really prioritized their schools pursuing marquee coaches. Not sure McDermott has the tournament resume for that job, unless they make another run this year. Of the Miller brothers, I feel like Sean might be more of a fit. Better recruiter than his brother, though LSU might not want to deal with someone who has potential sanctions hanging over after the Will Wade experience.

Conversely - big name coaches may not want to deal with possible sanctions incoming at LSU.

MUBurrow

Florida must go after Niko Medved.  We all remember how well it worked last time they raided CSU.


Don't @ me, don't care if its not him.

wadesworld

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 14, 2022, 09:50:47 AM
So LSU fires Wade for the FBI probe, while hiring McDermott?

Exactly.

panda

Quote from: BLM on March 14, 2022, 10:08:10 AM
Exactly.

My guess is lsu fires will wade and then self imposes sanctions to avoid ncaa action.

I don't think lsu cares about perception of hiring a McDermott type but the bigger issue will be a big name wanting to deal with some sort of sanctions incoming.

wadesworld

Quote from: panda on March 14, 2022, 10:16:41 AM
My guess is lsu fires will wade and then self imposes sanctions to avoid ncaa action.

I don't think lsu cares about perception of hiring a McDermott type but the bigger issue will be a big name wanting to deal with some sort of sanctions incoming.

I think LSU cares very much about the perception of hiring a McDemott type.  LSU's biggest concern is keeping the FBI and NCAA as far away from their football program as possible.  If their basketball program is causing the NCAA and FBI to sniff around their athletic department, that's a major issue.

Pakuni

Quote from: BLM on March 14, 2022, 10:08:10 AM
Exactly.

I think his point is that if you want a coach that separates your program away from the FBI probe, McDermott probably isn't sitting at the top of the list.

panda

Quote from: BLM on March 14, 2022, 10:19:43 AM
I think LSU cares very much about the perception of hiring a McDemott type.  LSU's biggest concern is keeping the FBI and NCAA as far away from their football program as possible.  If their basketball program is causing the NCAA and FBI to sniff around their athletic department, that's a major issue.

They care so much they made the change immediately after the ncaa wiretaps came out and the ncaa investigation started.

Oh wait...

wadesworld

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Quote from: panda on March 14, 2022, 10:37:41 AM
They care so much they made the change immediately after the ncaa wiretaps came out and the ncaa investigation started.

Oh wait...

Right.  After the NCAA and FBI was already involved...

They can't just fire the guy before the NOA comes out.  They now don't pay him a penny more than what he had already been paid.  They were already sniffing around, they can't reverse time.

There's a reason that every player from that team was **encouraged** to go pro, even though many of them were not close to being an NBA player.  Once you aren't an NCAA student athlete you aren't obligated to talk to the NCAA in their investigations.

brewcity77

Quote from: panda on March 14, 2022, 10:37:41 AM
They care so much they made the change immediately after the ncaa wiretaps came out and the ncaa investigation started.

Oh wait...

Sounds like the delay was all contractual. There was an out clause if he had a Level 1 violation, and until the Notice of Allegations came through, they didn't have the material proof to fire for cause. As soon as that proof was there, Wade was gone. Not saying LSU are angels or anything, but I think the delay was more because of the NCAA's delay and lawyers.

panda

Quote from: BLM on March 14, 2022, 10:46:00 AM
Right.  After the NCAA and FBI was already involved...

They can't just fire the guy before the NOA comes out.  They now don't pay him a penny more than what he had already been paid.  They were already sniffing around, they can't reverse time.

There's a reason that every player from that team was **encouraged** to go pro, even though many of them were not close to being an NBA player.  Once you aren't an NCAA student athlete you aren't obligated to talk to the NCAA in their investigations.

Louisville, Arizona and OK State all acted before lsu.

That's not swift.

panda

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2022, 10:49:02 AM
Sounds like the delay was all contractual. There was an out clause if he had a Level 1 violation, and until the Notice of Allegations came through, they didn't have the material proof to fire for cause. As soon as that proof was there, Wade was gone. Not saying LSU are angels or anything, but I think the delay was more because of the NCAA's delay and lawyers.

It's lsu - the money is there for a buyout if they really cared.

DienerTime34

Quote from: BLM on March 14, 2022, 10:19:43 AM
I think LSU cares very much about the perception of hiring a McDemott type.  LSU's biggest concern is keeping the FBI and NCAA as far away from their football program as possible.  If their basketball program is causing the NCAA and FBI to sniff around their athletic department, that's a major issue.

If LSU is willing to hire 60-year-old, devoid-of-charisma Brian Kelly to head its football program, its certainly not out of the realm of possibility to get McDermott. The idea of "fit" isn't as important as someone they believe will keep the program out of trouble for awhile and has a strong understanding of the Xs & Os of the game.

mug644

Crean to LSU?

Only half-joking. If they are focused on rebuilding a program, both cleanly and with marketing savvy, Crean did that at IU. Even got some results for a few years. Overall. he's proven to be a better program builder than a coach, so the fanbase might not like him so much. Still, maybe there will be behind the scenes conversations.

brewcity77

Quote from: mug644 on March 14, 2022, 11:23:06 AM
Crean to LSU?

Only half-joking. If they are focused on rebuilding a program, both cleanly and with marketing savvy, Crean did that at IU. Even got some results for a few years. Overall. he's proven to be a better program builder than a coach, so the fanbase might not like him so much. Still, maybe there will be behind the scenes conversations.

I think Georgia shows his program building and enthusiasm days are done. If Crean comes back to coaching, a smaller established job in the A-10 or something similar would probably suit him better. I think his best move is behind a desk, though. He understands the game and communicates well; he'd be an asset for FS1, ESPN, or someone similar.

wadesworld

Quote from: DienerTime34 on March 14, 2022, 11:19:58 AM
If LSU is willing to hire 60-year-old, devoid-of-charisma Brian Kelly to head its football program, its certainly not out of the realm of possibility to get McDermott. The idea of "fit" isn't as important as someone they believe will keep the program out of trouble for awhile and has a strong understanding of the Xs & Os of the game.

Agreed.  So they would hire a guy who is in FBI investigations...why?

JakeBarnes

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2022, 11:24:57 AM
I think Georgia shows his program building and enthusiasm days are done. If Crean comes back to coaching, a smaller established job in the A-10 or something similar would probably suit him better. I think his best move is behind a desk, though. He understands the game and communicates well; he'd be an asset for FS1, ESPN, or someone similar.

I agree with this. He brings a lot to the table in the broadcast/desk role.

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