Explosions in Kiev

[TallTitan34]

F*ck Putin.

[Jockey]

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Just read it a couple days ago. I'll try to find it again.

[Jockey]

Putin makes it clear nukes are in play if anyone interferes.

Yet some in America continue to support him.

[MuggsyB]

Putin makes it clear nukes are in play if anyone interferes.

Yet some in America continue to support him.

Who is supporting him in America?   I  guess I missed that.

[Skatastrophy]

Who is supporting him in America?   I  guess I missed that.

Man you're trying to make Rocky work for his paycheck today

[tower912]

Who is supporting him in America?   I  guess I missed that.

I am going to honor Rocky's warning.   Google 'Americans supporting Putin. '

[MuggsyB]

I am going to honor Rocky's warning.   Google 'Americans supporting Putin. '

Tucker Carlson is the first thing that came up.  I don't watch that guy.  But I don't think any rational person "supports" Putin.  I know some dumb things have been said but I assume both sides are politicizing stuff.  This is not the time to be poltical.

[TallTitan34]

Google "Putin savvy genius".

[tower912]

Or 'Putin not woke. '

[MU82]

At this rate, the situation in Ukraine is almost gonna be as deadly as the Marquette campus.

[Hards Alumni]

You are conceivably right.  The Finns were inordinately successful in WW2.  Of course this is a much different world but they took out a lot of guys while zooming around on skis.  Putin is a real, real, real, scumbag.  I'm wondering if there could conceivably be a coup if this is not a quick occupation?  I would imagine his initial goal is a puppet state like Belarus. The best result I see would be a prolonged insurgency.

That's the goal.  Putin wants to remove the government and replace it with one of his choosing.

[MuggsyB]

Well those are asinine comments but I don't think they mean support of Putin's actions.  I don't think we need to go down this road and discuss actual policies that have gotten us to this point.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

CNN just had a very interesting interview with Colonel Vindman.
Wrote about why they would invade 3 weeks ago.  Has some new article in The Atlantic this morning.
What he's seen so far is surprising him.. 
1) Russian military is overestimated/overrated and highly ineffecient and not as organized as expected  He's not seeing them accomplishing key goals very quickly.
2) Ukrainian military has been underestimated.  Russians will have to deal with Snake Island attitude all over the country.  Inflicting more damage so far than expected.
3) Numerous and we'll attended anti-war demonstrations all over Russia
+++ Yes Russian military is large and the favorite here, but it's early on and war is unpredictable but can see a possibility it getting dragged on combined with unrest at home causing the invasion to fall apart.

Doesn't think Putin wants to cross the NATO line because he knows it's the end and there is no scenario where Russia wins.  Their military definitely knows this

Mentioned concerned Russians will repeat Syria.  Most don't know there time there was not very good   300 Russian soldiers died before making one kill so they started attacking churches and schools

[MU_B]

At this rate, the situation in Ukraine is almost gonna be as deadly as the Marquette campus.

Go to bed, this was really stupid.

[forgetful]

CNN just had a very interesting interview with Colonel Vindman.
Wrote about why they would invade 3 weeks ago.  Has some new article in The Atlantic this morning.
What he's seen so far is surprising him.. 
1) Russian military is overestimated/overrated and highly ineffecient and not as organized as expected  He's not seeing them accomplishing key goals very quickly.
2) Ukrainian military has been underestimated.  Russians will have to deal with Snake Island attitude all over the country.  Inflicting more damage so far than expected.
3) Numerous and we'll attended anti-war demonstrations all over Russia
+++ Yes Russian military is large and the favorite here, but it's early on and war is unpredictable but can see a possibility it getting dragged on combined with unrest at home causing the invasion to fall apart.

Doesn't think Putin wants to cross the NATO line because he knows it's the end and there is no scenario where Russia wins.  Their military definitely knows this

Mentioned concerned Russians will repeat Syria.  Most don't know there time there was not very good   300 Russian soldiers died before making one kill so they started attacking churches and schools

It would appear that Russia is also being very strategic. So far, it looks like they are not trying to inflict substantial human casualties, but rather degrade Ukraine's ability to mount a significant defense.

Let's hope that is the case, and stays that way.

[MuggsyB]

CNN just had a very interesting interview with Colonel Vindman.
Wrote about why they would invade 3 weeks ago.  Has some new article in The Atlantic this morning.
What he's seen so far is surprising him.. 
1) Russian military is overestimated/overrated and highly ineffecient and not as organized as expected  He's not seeing them accomplishing key goals very quickly.
2) Ukrainian military has been underestimated.  Russians will have to deal with Snake Island attitude all over the country.  Inflicting more damage so far than expected.
3) Numerous and we'll attended anti-war demonstrations all over Russia
+++ Yes Russian military is large and the favorite here, but it's early on and war is unpredictable but can see a possibility it getting dragged on combined with unrest at home causing the invasion to fall apart.

Doesn't think Putin wants to cross the NATO line because he knows it's the end and there is no scenario where Russia wins.  Their military definitely knows this

Mentioned concerned Russians will repeat Syria.  Most don't know there time there was not very good   300 Russian soldiers died before making one kill so they started attacking churches and schools

Is it possible to get Germany in particular out of their reliance on Russian oil?  It sounds like that's the main problem with SWIFT being enacted.  I mean can you give the Germans an ultimatum of sorts on this issue?

[Jockey]

?

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/hydrogen-clean-energy-renewable-water-b1879862.html

Not the same article - but describes a similar thing.

[Jockey]

Go to bed, this was really stupid.

He was making fun of 4Ever. If you haven't read the comments in another thread, it would be hard to get the meaning.

[Jockey]

Is it possible to get Germany in particular out of their reliance on Russian oil?  It sounds like that's the main problem with SWIFT being enacted.  I mean can you give the Germans an ultimatum of sorts on this issue?

You don't give ultimatums like that to an ally.

[MU82]

Go to bed, this was really stupid.

What? Too soon?

[HouWarrior]

I saw a headline that made me chuckle

Russians Take Chernobyl

Colonel Ivanovich:
Ok boys we will sleep here tonight That big concrete dome over there should hold all of us Wasn't it nice of the locals to offer it to us They all spoke of this place in glowing terms

[MuggsyB]

Putin is pure evil.  This is an absolute horror show for the Ukraine and a global catastrophe. 

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

I did not see this yesterday. 
I see an article this morning that Putin threatened "severe retaliation" to the US and Europe if they put in place sanctions and they want to meet to negotiate this.  WTF?

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Is it possible to get Germany in particular out of their reliance on Russian oil?  It sounds like that's the main problem with SWIFT being enacted.  I mean can you give the Germans an ultimatum of sorts on this issue?

Coincidentally, my wife is a little freaked because her parents live 40 miles from the Belarus border

She spoke to her parents yesterday and basically Polish news is saying the same.  Europe is wholly united for much more severe sanctions, but the Germans are the one and only holdout and they need to grow a spine

[MuggsyB]

Coincidentally, my wife is a little freaked because her parents live 40 miles from the Belarus border

She spoke to her parents yesterday and basically Polish news is saying the same.  Europe is wholly united for much more severe sanctions, but the Germans are the one and only holdout and they need to grow a spine

Agreed.  I think Western Democracies need to deal with reality.  And sadly because of how polarized we are politically here it makes things extremely difficult.  You can hate one party or the other but the fact is the 2nd and 3rd most powerful countries have governments that are ideologically evil and are determined to change the world order.

Germany is the absolute key here and if they're truly our ally they need to be on board with isolating Putin and finding other oil partners.  It's non-negotiable imo and this should be at the top of our priorities.  Putin crumbles like a Saltine once his oil stops holding Europe and us to a degree hostage.