Georgetown is pitiful

[rocky_warrior]

By the way, this happens EVERY GAME.

Losing?  Yes.  We Know.

[1SE]

By the way, this happens EVERY GAME.

We hope you guys are back soon - its not good for anyone to have this.

[tower912]

DFW, you have never been anything but class.   I feel for you and your fanbase.

[The Sultan]

Georgetown is the worst team I have seen since MU joined the BE. And yeah that includes Purnell-era De Paul.

[CountryRoads]

We hope you guys are back soon - its not good for anyone to have this.

Agreed. It's better for the big east if Georgetown is a marquee game on the schedule.

[DoctorV]

How did Georgetown win the BET again?!?

Unreal season for them coming off of that

[DFW HOYA]

Last seven games, opponent threes vs. Georgetown:

12
9
12
9
12
12
12, tonight

[DFW HOYA]

Post-script: it's hard for Georgetown to win a game shooting 25%.

Not from the field...but from two point range (9-36).

[tower912]

Finding one thing while looking for another.   While looking for Coach Smart's post-Georgetown press conference, I came across articles from 2017 discussing how Georgetown had reached out to Shaka (and Mike Brey) and had been turned down.   

  So, DFW, in your opinion, what are some of the internal issues at Georgetown that will add challenges to the next hiring. process?

[DFW HOYA]

Finding one thing while looking for another.   While looking for Coach Smart's post-Georgetown press conference, I came across articles from 2017 discussing how Georgetown had reached out to Shaka (and Mike Brey) and had been turned down.   

So, DFW, in your opinion, what are some of the internal issues at Georgetown that will add challenges to the next hiring. process?

Those articles conflict with a narrative that these coaches never really approached Georgetown due to the perceived presence of John Thompson in the search. Other (e.g. Chris Mack) floated interest but it was to get their name in the mix elsewhere. Ewing was approached by Thompson when no candidates actually interviewed in a four week period, leading some/many to believe Thompson had cleared the track fo Ewing to be the only candidate.

As for internal issues, three come to mind.

1. Financial. Ewing has at least one and perhaps 3-4 years left on a contract if it was silently renewed last season as some have speculated. Barring a Chris Mullin-style resignation which relieves GU of those commitments, that's a lot of money that isn't in the budget to pay given the awful home attendance (5,519 a game) and a lack of revenue in other sports to cover losses.

2. Organizational. The big shoe to drop isn't the 0-fer record. It's the transfer portal, and it could be severe.

3. Institutional. Georgetown basketball doesn't report through the athletic director due to decisions made after the 1971-72 season. However, there are no leaves left on the John Thompson coaching tree, save for two older Division II coaches well below .500) and thus a change in coaching likely ends the House of Thompson within the basketball office. There will be pushback from some quarters on this.

[The Sultan]

3. Institutional. Georgetown basketball doesn't report through the athletic director due to decisions made after the 1971-72 season.

Hold on.  What?

[StillAWarrior]

As for internal issues, three come to mind.

1. Financial. Ewing has at least one and perhaps 3-4 years left on a contract if it was silently renewed last season as some have speculated. Barring a Chris Mullin-style resignation which relieves GU of those commitments, that's a lot of money that isn't in the budget to pay given the awful home attendance (5,519 a game) and a lack of revenue in other sports to cover losses.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but the phrase "penny-wise and pound-foolish" comes to mind.

[DFW HOYA]

Hold on.  What?

"By the summer of 1972, Thompson got what he needed to succeed -- latitude in recruiting, support in admissions, complete control over scheduling, and a direct line of authority to the President's office. The Athletic Advisory Board was out of the basketball business, and eventually faded out of view over the next decade."

https://www.hoyabasketball.com/features/1972.htm

[Scoop Snoop]

Those articles conflict with a narrative that these coaches never really approached Georgetown due to the perceived presence of John Thompson in the search. Other (e.g. Chris Mack) floated interest but it was to get their name in the mix elsewhere. Ewing was approached by Thompson when no candidates actually interviewed in a four week period, leading some/many to believe Thompson had cleared the track fo Ewing to be the only candidate.

As for internal issues, three come to mind.

1. Financial. Ewing has at least one and perhaps 3-4 years left on a contract if it was silently renewed last season as some have speculated. Barring a Chris Mullin-style resignation which relieves GU of those commitments, that's a lot of money that isn't in the budget to pay given the awful home attendance (5,519 a game) and a lack of revenue in other sports to cover losses.

2. Organizational. The big shoe to drop isn't the 0-fer record. It's the transfer portal, and it could be severe.

3. Institutional. Georgetown basketball doesn't report through the athletic director due to decisions made after the 1971-72 season. However, there are no leaves left on the John Thompson coaching tree, save for two older Division II coaches well below .500) and thus a change in coaching likely ends the House of Thompson within the basketball office. There will be pushback from some quarters on this.

Your thoughts on one scooper's comment (I think it was Rocky) that creating a position for Ewing (maybe something like VP of bball) might be a way for Ewing to exit as coach? I think it would still be a bad idea- GT needs to make a clean break.

[The Sultan]

"By the summer of 1972, Thompson got what he needed to succeed -- latitude in recruiting, support in admissions, complete control over scheduling, and a direct line of authority to the President's office. The Athletic Advisory Board was out of the basketball business, and eventually faded out of view over the next decade."

https://www.hoyabasketball.com/features/1972.htm

And that's still the case?  If so, I don't think that makes a lot of sense.  I can't think of another school where the basketball coach doesn't report to the athletic director.  Holding onto a model that developed 50 years ago isn't a good idea.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

 I sincerely hope Gtown turns this around soon. This should be a proud program and a Big East powerhouse

[The Lens]

If I was John DeGioia (FTR, I am not) these would be my first 3 calls, in this order:

1) Ed Cooley
2) Kevin Willard
3) Rick Pitino

IF I have to make a 4th call, it's Kelvin Sampson.  IF I still have to make a phone call, it's to a Boston College Alum, the Jesuit educated, Bruce Pearl.

[Lennys Tap]

If I was John DeGioia (FTR, I am not) these would be my first 3 calls, in this order:

1) Ed Cooley
2) Kevin Willard
3) Rick Pitino

IF I have to make a 4th call, it's Kelvin Sampson.  IF I still have to make a phone call, it's to a Boston College Alum, the Jesuit educated, Bruce Pearl.

By the time it's Wojo's turn DeGiola won't have a dime left.

[The Equalizer]

If I was John DeGioia (FTR, I am not) these would be my first 3 calls, in this order:

1) Ed Cooley
2) Kevin Willard
3) Rick Pitino

IF I have to make a 4th call, it's Kelvin Sampson.  IF I still have to make a phone call, it's to a Boston College Alum, the Jesuit educated, Bruce Pearl.

If you're going to steal a Big East coach, why not go after Hurley--east coast ties, more career success, younger, and it removes UConn as an impediment to success.

I don't think Cooley or Willard will sell more tickets in DC.

[MDMU04]

Wouldn't poaching head coaches from other programs in the Big East be rather frowned upon?  It seems like it would be.

[MU82]

By the time it's Wojo's turn DeGiola won't have a dime left.

Nicely played.

[CountryRoads]

I sincerely hope Gtown turns this around soon. This should be a proud program and a Big East powerhouse

I don't really mind seeing them suffer. They seemed to want no part of the "new" big east when it first formed whereas Villanova embraced the conference and has since dominated almost every year.

[Scoop Snoop]

I don't really mind seeing them suffer. They seemed to want no part of the "new" big east when it first formed whereas Villanova embraced the conference and has since dominated almost every year.

True, but time to move on. It's better for the conference if we have solid teams top to bottom, ala Big 12.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

They can get good again right after Mohammed transfers to MU. Man, if that guy learns to finish at the rim, look out.

[Scoop Snoop]

They can get good again right after Mohammed transfers to MU. Man, if that guy learns to finish at the rim, look out.

Oh yeah! He'd be really scary if he does that.