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Author Topic: Vaccine Misinformation  (Read 17675 times)

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Re: Vaccine Misinformation
« Reply #400 on: August 25, 2022, 06:35:12 AM »
It wasn’t on Tucker, either

Imagine touting anti-vaccine conspiracy theories from a very vaccinated muppet.
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Re: Vaccine Misinformation
« Reply #401 on: August 25, 2022, 06:37:28 AM »
Imagine touting anti-vaccine conspiracy theories from a very vaccinated muppet.

In reality, the scary thing about all this is, what’s happening is just emboldening the anti-vax movement outside covid.  Good job, America
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Re: Vaccine Misinformation
« Reply #402 on: August 25, 2022, 06:54:51 AM »
In reality, the scary thing about all this is, what’s happening is just emboldening the anti-vax movement outside covid.  Good job, America

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Re: Vaccine Misinformation
« Reply #403 on: August 25, 2022, 07:00:15 AM »
Hence the polio spike.
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Re: Vaccine Misinformation
« Reply #404 on: August 25, 2022, 07:21:15 AM »
Hence the polio spike.

It’s really remarkable how the most advanced nation in the history of the world is populated by so many morons and selfishly stupid people that revel in their ignorance. 
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Re: Vaccine Misinformation
« Reply #405 on: August 25, 2022, 07:45:25 AM »
It’s really remarkable how the most advanced nation in the history of the world is populated by so many morons and selfishly stupid people that revel in their ignorance. 

It's a generation who's entire life focus has been their retirement accounts.
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Re: Vaccine Misinformation
« Reply #406 on: August 25, 2022, 07:52:33 AM »
It's a generation who's entire life focus has been their retirement accounts.

It’s more than that.  It’s the ability for people to be easily manipulated into believing conspiracy theories, both young and old.  It’s the lack of rational thought disguised as some intellectual freedom.

When the fringes of society begin to exert their lunacy on the genera public, we all lose.  A rise in polio in 2022 is a sign of a stupid society
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Re: Vaccine Misinformation
« Reply #407 on: August 25, 2022, 09:02:33 AM »
Maybe you missed this article from The Atlantic from May 13, 2020.

THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS ARE WINNING
America is losing its grip on Enlightenment values and reality itself.

By Jeffrey Goldberg
MAY 13, 2020
About the author: Jeffrey Goldberg is the editor in chief of The Atlantic and a recipient of the National Magazine Award for Reporting. He is the author of Prisoners: A Story of Friendship and Terror.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/shadowland-introduction/610840/

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Re: Vaccine Misinformation
« Reply #408 on: August 25, 2022, 10:40:28 AM »
It's a generation who's entire life focus has been their retirement accounts.

Whose vs. who’s

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Re: Vaccine Misinformation
« Reply #409 on: August 25, 2022, 10:44:26 AM »
In reality, the scary thing about all this is, what’s happening is just emboldening the anti-vax movement outside covid.  Good job, America

Well, the traditional anti-vax movement has not been a conservative right wing stronghold.  Many left leaning Bernie loving naturalists and way out liberal thinkers usually.  Now they are joined by the politically charged right wing COVID anti-vaxxers.  Maybe this is the long awaited bipartisanship this country needs!!!

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« Reply #410 on: August 25, 2022, 11:58:09 AM »
Well, the traditional anti-vax movement has not been a conservative right wing stronghold.  Many left leaning Bernie loving naturalists and way out liberal thinkers usually.  Now they are joined by the politically charged right wing COVID anti-vaxxers.  Maybe this is the long awaited bipartisanship this country needs!!!

Yup.  The merging of the two is probably a bad sign as a whole. 
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Re: Vaccine Misinformation
« Reply #411 on: August 25, 2022, 12:25:55 PM »
It’s more than that.  It’s the ability for people to be easily manipulated into believing conspiracy theories, both young and old.  It’s the lack of rational thought disguised as some intellectual freedom.


It's anti-intellectualism, and has been a foundation of nearly every totalitarian regime of the past couple centuries, and maybe beyond. It's no coincidence that the teachers and academics are usually among the first rounded up and sent to re-education camps (or, simply shot).

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Re: Vaccine Misinformation
« Reply #412 on: August 25, 2022, 12:41:03 PM »
It's anti-intellectualism, and has been a foundation of nearly every totalitarian regime of the past couple centuries, and maybe beyond. It's no coincidence that the teachers and academics are usually among the first rounded up and sent to re-education camps (or, simply shot).

This is quite true as well.  It isn’t a surprise to see segments of society attack academia and point fingers at them as the problem. 
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Re: Vaccine Misinformation
« Reply #413 on: August 25, 2022, 02:46:29 PM »
Noble, is a 43 million person study large enough for you?

https://newsroom.heart.org/news/myocarditis-risk-significantly-higher-after-covid-19-infection-vs-after-a-covid-19-vaccine

From the article:

Risk of COVID-19 vaccine-associated myocarditis among men:

Among the 18 million men in the dataset, all of whom received at least one COVID-19 vaccine, more than 6 million men (34%) were younger than age 40.

An increased risk of vaccine-associated myocarditis was found in men ages 40 and younger after a first dose of either of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines (4 and 14 estimated extra cases for every one million men vaccinated with respectively Pfizer or Moderna vaccine), or a second dose of any of the three COVID-19 vaccines available in England during the study period: 14, 11 and 97 estimated additional cases of myocarditis for every one million men vaccinated, respectively for the ChAdOx1, the Pfizer-BioNTech or the Moderna vaccine.

The increased risk of developing myocarditis among males younger than age 40 was also higher after receiving two doses of the Moderna vaccine when compared to the risk of myocarditis after COVID-19 infection. The researchers noted, however, the average age of people who received the Moderna vaccine was 32 years, compared to the majority of those who received the other vaccines were older than age 40.

In men ages 40 and older, a slightly increased risk of myocarditis was found after a booster dose of either of the two mRNA vaccines (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna): 3 estimated extra cases of myocarditis for every one million men vaccinated with either mRNA vaccine.


This article on a study doesn't contradict anything I've pointed out.  This is the basis for rethinking the 'one size fits all' argument... Medicine has never been that way and it shouldn't start now... don't treat grandma the same way you treat Jimmy the 18 year old collage track and field athlete. Also, different products have different rates of adverse events. So if you're picking one, I'd go with the Pfizer product. 

Carry on you miserables.   

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Re: Vaccine Misinformation
« Reply #414 on: August 25, 2022, 03:09:00 PM »
Hey, would you care to comment on this?

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-study-vaccine-adolescents-897355749269?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=APFactCheck&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

First of all, it's a fact check... ugh

a couple of things... I would like to see replication with a larger sample size in a trial setting.  Note, the uniqueness of this study is that it is prospective and they are looking at subclinical symptoms, not the subjective observable symptoms you brought up in an earlier post. 

As for the comment by the cardiologist, it could be considered malpractice to do a study like this (unless it was in a trial setting) where you have a placebo sample.  The participants were all there for the vaccine and were not agreeing to potentially having a placebo.   

Here are some more commentaries from other snake oil salesman:

https://youtu.be/ozcpl9IJlno

https://youtu.be/ekTR0w2M9-U


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Re: Vaccine Misinformation
« Reply #415 on: August 25, 2022, 03:09:16 PM »
From the article:

Risk of COVID-19 vaccine-associated myocarditis among men:

Among the 18 million men in the dataset, all of whom received at least one COVID-19 vaccine, more than 6 million men (34%) were younger than age 40.

An increased risk of vaccine-associated myocarditis was found in men ages 40 and younger after a first dose of either of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines (4 and 14 estimated extra cases for every one million men vaccinated with respectively Pfizer or Moderna vaccine), or a second dose of any of the three COVID-19 vaccines available in England during the study period: 14, 11 and 97 estimated additional cases of myocarditis for every one million men vaccinated, respectively for the ChAdOx1, the Pfizer-BioNTech or the Moderna vaccine.

The increased risk of developing myocarditis among males younger than age 40 was also higher after receiving two doses of the Moderna vaccine when compared to the risk of myocarditis after COVID-19 infection. The researchers noted, however, the average age of people who received the Moderna vaccine was 32 years, compared to the majority of those who received the other vaccines were older than age 40.

In men ages 40 and older, a slightly increased risk of myocarditis was found after a booster dose of either of the two mRNA vaccines (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna): 3 estimated extra cases of myocarditis for every one million men vaccinated with either mRNA vaccine.


This article on a study doesn't contradict anything I've pointed out.  This is the basis for rethinking the 'one size fits all' argument... Medicine has never been that way and it shouldn't start now... don't treat grandma the same way you treat Jimmy the 18 year old collage track and field athlete. Also, different products have different rates of adverse events. So if you're picking one, I'd go with the Pfizer product. 

Carry on you miserables.

Contracting Covid raises your chances for myocarditis much more than it does from getting vaccinated.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/01/myocarditis-risk-higher-after-covid-infection-than-vaccination-cdc-finds.html

FURTHERMORE,

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However, the overwhelming majority of people who developed myocarditis after vaccination recovered fully and most of them did not report any effect on their quality of life, according to a CDC survey of health-care providers presented at the February meeting.

Here, lemme just lay it out for you in a big picture even a neanderthal can grasp.



Fix your brain.

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Re: Vaccine Misinformation
« Reply #416 on: August 25, 2022, 03:24:07 PM »
Contracting Covid raises your chances for myocarditis much more than it does from getting vaccinated.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/01/myocarditis-risk-higher-after-covid-infection-than-vaccination-cdc-finds.html

FURTHERMORE,

Here, lemme just lay it out for you in a big picture even a neanderthal can grasp.



Fix your brain.

Statistically speaking, by living in New Mexico, my chances of being struck by lightning in my lifetime is much higher than what's stated in your handy dandy meme. 

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Re: Vaccine Misinformation
« Reply #417 on: August 25, 2022, 03:27:49 PM »
Statistically speaking, by living in New Mexico, my chances of being struck by lightning in my lifetime is much higher than what's stated in your handy dandy meme.


This is a meme:

The graph I posted is a graph from the NIH.




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Re: Vaccine Misinformation
« Reply #418 on: August 25, 2022, 04:02:43 PM »
First of all, it's a fact check... ugh

a couple of things... I would like to see replication with a larger sample size in a trial setting.  Note, the uniqueness of this study is that it is prospective and they are looking at subclinical symptoms, not the subjective observable symptoms you brought up in an earlier post. 

As for the comment by the cardiologist, it could be considered malpractice to do a study like this (unless it was in a trial setting) where you have a placebo sample.  The participants were all there for the vaccine and were not agreeing to potentially having a placebo.   

Here are some more commentaries from other snake oil salesman:

https://youtu.be/ozcpl9IJlno

https://youtu.be/ekTR0w2M9-U




LOL...
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Re: Vaccine Misinformation
« Reply #419 on: August 26, 2022, 10:05:25 AM »
First of all, it's a fact check... ugh

a couple of things... I would like to see replication with a larger sample size in a trial setting.  Note, the uniqueness of this study is that it is prospective and they are looking at subclinical symptoms, not the subjective observable symptoms you brought up in an earlier post. 

As for the comment by the cardiologist, it could be considered malpractice to do a study like this (unless it was in a trial setting) where you have a placebo sample.  The participants were all there for the vaccine and were not agreeing to potentially having a placebo.   

Here are some more commentaries from other snake oil salesman:

https://youtu.be/ozcpl9IJlno

https://youtu.be/ekTR0w2M9-U

What’s the difference between “sub clinical” vs. subjective?

Earlier in this thread, you questioned my credentials against a guy that doesn’t see any patients. I posted an article with quotes from multiple cardiologists which agrees with my opinions on the study. I really don’t care if you are vaccinated. I do care that you wish to share information which is misguided and could lead to the death of people.  The vaccines are safe. They’ve been approved by experts who know more about vaccines then all of us on MU hoops.

Get vaccinated (or don’t), and keep your opinions on stuff you have no idea about to yourself.

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Re: Vaccine Misinformation
« Reply #420 on: August 26, 2022, 04:12:22 PM »
It's a generation who's entire life focus has been their retirement accounts.

Lots and lots (and lots and lots) of the science deniers are poor as dirt.
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« Reply #421 on: September 03, 2022, 01:30:06 PM »
Lots and lots (and lots and lots) of the science deniers are poor as dirt.

That’s a rather bravest thing to say.

https://newsone.com/playlist/black-anti-vaxxers-covid-19-vaccine/

Will you boycott Black Panther 2 since the star is anti-vaxx?
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« Reply #422 on: September 03, 2022, 05:29:05 PM »
That’s a rather bravest thing to say.

https://newsone.com/playlist/black-anti-vaxxers-covid-19-vaccine/

Will you boycott Black Panther 2 since the star is anti-vaxx?

You would think such a tech-forward person such as Shuri would be heard louder in the community.
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« Reply #423 on: September 23, 2022, 10:08:07 AM »
Yet another study showing that it's Covid -- and not the vaccines -- that put strain on human hearts.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article266179606.html?ac_cid=DM701713&ac_bid=943541746

People hospitalized for COVID-19 were more likely to have heart failure after their discharge than those hospitalized for another reason, a Duke University study published this month found.

The study’s findings, published in Nature Communications, support a growing body of research that suggests some people infected with COVID-19 go on to develop long-term heart problems.

Using health records of more than 580,000 patients admitted to U.S. hospitals, Duke researchers tracked how often those who had COVID went to the hospital for heart issues in the year after their discharge. They found the COVID group was 45% more likely to be diagnosed with heart failure when compared to patients hospitalized with something other than COVID.
There were 681 attempts to ban or restrict access to a record 1,651 different books in schools through August of this year. What books? Mainly those written by or about people of color or that deal with LGBTQ issues.

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Re: Vaccine Misinformation
« Reply #424 on: September 23, 2022, 12:30:56 PM »
Yet another study showing that it's Covid -- and not the vaccines -- that put strain on human hearts.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article266179606.html?ac_cid=DM701713&ac_bid=943541746

People hospitalized for COVID-19 were more likely to have heart failure after their discharge than those hospitalized for another reason, a Duke University study published this month found.

The study’s findings, published in Nature Communications, support a growing body of research that suggests some people infected with COVID-19 go on to develop long-term heart problems.

Using health records of more than 580,000 patients admitted to U.S. hospitals, Duke researchers tracked how often those who had COVID went to the hospital for heart issues in the year after their discharge. They found the COVID group was 45% more likely to be diagnosed with heart failure when compared to patients hospitalized with something other than COVID.


That’s not what this article is saying… It doesn’t even mention the vaccines.  It says, and I agree because C-19 is very bad, is that contracting C-19 and needing hospitalization (not necessarily for C-19) vs. hospitalization w/out C-19 increases your probability of having future heart issues.

The study does not take into account the patient’s vaccine status

Here’s the article… attached below
 
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