Vaccine Misinformation

[noblewarrior]

You need to read that article again.  It doesn't prove what you think it does.

Mind reader?  I'm not thinking it 'proves' anything.  It's just data.  We can make our own conclusions with reference to the authors'... which can differ, of course. 

I'll admit, I'm not a cardiologist (let alone a rocket surgeon), but brushing off any of the carditises, even when recovered w/in 14 days of the onset of symptoms, as being insignificant and not something seriously worth monitoring moving forward would be short sighted.  Are the any cardiologist MU grads willing to interject and ease my mind that having one of the carditis diagnosis is no big deal once the symptoms recede?  If so, that's great, but I wouldn't think it would be.  ~4.5 % of these teenagers were subject to a carditis... much higher rate than any deaths in these age groups from any version of this virus...  the risk calculus here does not support vaccinating our yute (my opinion)... but this should be a personal choice anyway so we can make that decision for ourselves, or you would think so anyway.

Another anecdote if you please.. I have an 84 year old mother who is overweight and a two-time cancer survivor... has a pacemaker and just had a Watchmen implanted in her heart.  We have her juiced to the roof and will likely continue to keep her that way.  It only makes sense for her as she is in a very high risk demographic both in age and health. 

I hope our federal and state health agencies can be a bit more dynamic in how they approach this virus moving forward.  With the recent changes in the CDC's recommendations concerning the unvaxxed with antibodies, i think we are getting there...  One size does not fit all. 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I would agree if these mRNA and other COVID-19 vaccines weren't in circulation under an EUA.  It's my personal opinion that this is a significant difference between these two categories of vaccines.   

I disagree.

[MUDPT]

Mind reader?  I'm not thinking it 'proves' anything.  It's just data.  We can make our own conclusions with reference to the authors'... which can differ, of course. 

I'll admit, I'm not a cardiologist (let alone a rocket surgeon), but brushing off any of the carditises, even when recovered w/in 14 days of the onset of symptoms, as being insignificant and not something seriously worth monitoring moving forward would be short sighted.  Are the any cardiologist MU grads willing to interject and ease my mind that having one of the carditis diagnosis is no big deal once the symptoms recede?  If so, that's great, but I wouldn't think it would be.  ~4.5 % of these teenagers were subject to a carditis... much higher rate than any deaths in these age groups from any version of this virus...  the risk calculus here does not support vaccinating our yute (my opinion)... but this should be a personal choice anyway so we can make that decision for ourselves, or you would think so anyway.

Another anecdote if you please.. I have an 84 year old mother who is overweight and a two-time cancer survivor... has a pacemaker and just had a Watchmen implanted in her heart.  We have her juiced to the roof and will likely continue to keep her that way.  It only makes sense for her as she is in a very high risk demographic both in age and health. 

I hope our federal and state health agencies can be a bit more dynamic in how they approach this virus moving forward.  With the recent changes in the CDC's recommendations concerning the unvaxxed with antibodies, i think we are getting there...  One size does not fit all.

Here is what you should interpret from the data.  Tachycardia, shortness of breath, palpitation and chest pain are all subjective symptoms.  They don't mean crap in 18 year old boys.  Tachycardia and palpitation could literally happen when the hot tech puts the EKG sticker in your lower abdominal area, again in 18 year old boys.  You are more likely to get any cardiac symptoms from unvaccinated COVID than from a vaccine.  It's been proven in study after study.

Here's some anecdotal evidence for you.  I've been in 350ish COVID patient rooms in 2.5 years.  I can't think of more than a couple who have died from COVID after being vaccinated.  Compared to the 20-30 that died pre vaccination.  It's no contest.  Vaccines work. 

[noblewarrior]

Here is what you should interpret from the data.  Tachycardia, shortness of breath, palpitation and chest pain are all subjective symptoms.  They don't mean crap in 18 year old boys.  Tachycardia and palpitation could literally happen when the hot tech puts the EKG sticker in your lower abdominal area, again in 18 year old boys.  You are more likely to get any cardiac symptoms from unvaccinated COVID than from a vaccine.  It's been proven in study after study.

Here's some anecdotal evidence for you.  I've been in 350ish COVID patient rooms in 2.5 years.  I can't think of more than a couple who have died from COVID after being vaccinated.  Compared to the 20-30 that died pre vaccination.  It's no contest.  Vaccines work.

Take a listen to this commentary on said article;  https://youtu.be/8ghdyIRg748.  I think I’ll take his interpretation over yours.  Sure, the vaccine(s) are appropriate for certain demographics but the risk shouldn't out weight the benefits.   You misunderstand me, I’m not saying don’t vaccinate, I’m saying don’t do any unnecessary harm.  How many of the 20-30 that died were healthy teenage boys?   

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Take a listen to this commentary on said article;  https://youtu.be/8ghdyIRg748.  I think I’ll take his interpretation over yours.  Sure, the vaccine(s) are appropriate for certain demographics but the risk shouldn't out weight the benefits.   You misunderstand me, I’m not saying don’t vaccinate, I’m saying don’t do any unnecessary harm.  How many of the 20-30 that died were healthy teenage boys?   

Yes, you certainly are following a credible source:

https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/how-democracy-ends

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/vinay-prasad-public-healths-mistruth-problem/

Congrats on your mind turning to mush.

[Hards Alumni]

Take a listen to this commentary on said article;  https://youtu.be/8ghdyIRg748.  I think I’ll take his interpretation over yours.  Sure, the vaccine(s) are appropriate for certain demographics but the risk shouldn't out weight the benefits.   You misunderstand me, I’m not saying don’t vaccinate, I’m saying don’t do any unnecessary harm.  How many of the 20-30 that died were healthy teenage boys?

Actual doctor from Marquette being ignored for some charlatan on YouTube that makes money from your views.

Interesting way to tell the world you're a dolt.

[noblewarrior]

Same old posters descending into name calling and character assassination.  That's all Sultanx's links are and a pattern come to be expected from Hards.... A Dr. in PT vs. an MD MPH (a hematologist-oncologist and Associate Professor in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the University of California San Francisco)?  I shouldn't expect any less from scoopers... such a high bar here.  C'est la vie. 

Credit to MUDPT for not descending to such base levels. Thanks for that. 

[tower912]

The counterargument being 'Same old posters using unreliable sources. '   

[MUDPT]

Same old posters descending into name calling and character assassination.  That's all Sultanx's links are and a pattern come to be expected from Hards.... A Dr. in PT vs. an MD MPH (a hematologist-oncologist and Associate Professor in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the University of California San Francisco)?  I shouldn't expect any less from scoopers... such a high bar here.  C'est la vie. 

Credit to MUDPT for not descending to such base levels. Thanks for that.

Vinay wants an RCT for a COVID vaccine, which any MU graduate should tell you is highly, highly unethical.

You are correct that I’m not an MD. I guarantee you, I’ve had more COVID interactions than Dr. Prasad. It’s easy to pontificate from behind your laptop, than try and get a patient with a tube stuck down their throat (because they have COVID), to sit up on the side of the bed for just 5 minutes.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

The counterargument being 'Same old posters using unreliable sources. '   

Yep. I've lost patience for people spreading misinformation. Shameful.

[4everwarriors]

Ah huh, hey?

[pbiflyer]

Since this and the school one seem to be the only two active threads, I will leave this here.

Due to a variety of reasons, I visited several medical facilities lately including specialists, general, diagnostic centers, hospital, and physical rehab facilities. All required masks.....except the dentist.

[Uncle Rico]

Since this and the school one seem to be the only two active threads, I will leave this here.

Due to a variety of reasons, I visited several medical facilities lately including specialists, general, diagnostic centers, hospital, and physical rehab facilities. All required masks.....except the dentist.

That’s why we have a dental crime report thread

[Hards Alumni]

Same old posters descending into name calling and character assassination.  That's all Sultanx's links are and a pattern come to be expected from Hards.... A Dr. in PT vs. an MD MPH (a hematologist-oncologist and Associate Professor in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the University of California San Francisco)?  I shouldn't expect any less from scoopers... such a high bar here.  C'est la vie. 

Credit to MUDPT for not descending to such base levels. Thanks for that.

You're a dolt if you think that all of the 'information' you're posting hasn't been discussed on this board ad nauseum.

I'll treat people who are, "just asking questions" as the disingenuous person that they are.  I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings.

[Skatastrophy]

You're a dolt if you think that all of the 'information' you're posting hasn't been discussed on this board ad nauseum.

I'll treat people who are, "just asking questions" as the disingenuous person that they are.  I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings.

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[MU82]

Good news for the anti-vaxxers -- polio is back!

Ah, there's nothing like the classic hits!

[MUDPT]

More misinformation 🧐

See attached.

Would we be against using some of the discretionary funds attached to the recently passed bills for the vaccine injured?     

Hey, would you care to comment on this?

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-study-vaccine-adolescents-897355749269?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=APFactCheck&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Hey, would you care to comment on this?

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-study-vaccine-adolescents-897355749269?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=APFactCheck&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

Don't worry.  He ran away.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Hey, would you care to comment on this?

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-study-vaccine-adolescents-897355749269?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=APFactCheck&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

It's weird that one side in this debate--and really, a semi-miraculous life-saving vaccine shouldn't even be a debate at all except that same one side inexplicably decided to make it part of their culture wars--constantly needs to lie about the facts. In this case it was "merely" a misrepresentation, but in other cases it was wholesale faking of data to pretend that horse de-wormer was effective.

It's even weirder that that same one side is completely OK with the constant lies.

Character revealed.

[MU82]

The vaccine is not worse than the virus, Chapter 834 ...

A study published this week in the journal Lancet Psychiatry showed increased risks of some brain disorders two years after infection with the coronavirus, shedding new light on the long-term neurological and psychiatric aspects of the virus.

The analysis, conducted by researchers at the University of Oxford and drawing on health records data from more than 1 million people around the world, found that while the risks of many common psychiatric disorders returned to normal within a couple of months, people remained at increased risk for dementia, epilepsy, psychosis and cognitive deficit (or brain fog) two years after contracting covid. Adults appeared to be at particular risk of lasting brain fog, a common complaint among coronavirus survivors.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/08/19/long-covid-brain-effects/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F37b3cfc%2F630105d01930ae1d2058fe55%2F5f8d147cae7e8a56e5b732a4%2F15%2F70%2F630105d01930ae1d2058fe55&wp_cu=b1005792a416de1fbe1f17e5cf366b7d%7CB1FF71CA724A36FAE0530100007F88D6

[Jay Bee]

Good news for the anti-vaxxers -- polio is back!

Ah, there's nothing like the classic hits!

Proof positive that vaccines don’t work

[tower912]

Proof positive that anti-vax lunacy is spreading.

[MUDPT]

Noble, is a 43 million person study large enough for you?

https://newsroom.heart.org/news/myocarditis-risk-significantly-higher-after-covid-19-infection-vs-after-a-covid-19-vaccine

[tower912]

You are just another know-it-all scooper who follows facts and data instead of internet whackadoodles.    And nobody can trust data from Britain.   My facebook group said their commies.

[Uncle Rico]

You are just another know-it-all scooper who follows facts and data instead of internet whackadoodles.    And nobody can trust data from Britain.   My facebook group said their commies.

It wasn’t on Tucker, either