Vaccine Misinformation

[MU82]

That's OK, Pak. He's in a better place now.

[MU82]

We don't particularly care if you get sick or even if you die. What's most important is that we "own" all the "woke" people who are for stoopid stuff like vaccines and health care ...

Why an Arizona County Turned Down $1.9 Million in Covid Relief: Two Republican supervisors voted to reject the federal money, frustrating health care workers in rural Cochise County.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/11/us/covid-relief-funds.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20220212&instance_id=52992&nl=the-morning&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=82522&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

The $1.9 million in pandemic aid would have gone a long way in Cochise County, a rural borderland where a winter of infections swamped hospitals. There was money for tracking cases. Testing in remote ranching towns. Funds fortifying the Arizona county's strained health department.

But the county's Republican-controlled board of supervisors stunned many residents and health care workers by voting last month to reject the federal money, becoming one of the rare places in America to turn down Covid-19 assistance from Washington.

"We're done," said Peggy Judd, one of two Republican supervisors who voted against accepting the money. "We're treating it like the common cold."

The vote transformed what would usually be a rote line on a government agenda into an emotional flashpoint in this county of 125,000 people where life is shaped by the southwestern border, rhythms of ranching and, now, a pandemic that has killed 522 residents.

To conservatives, rejecting the money felt like a high-desert declaration of independence, even if their rural county does rely on a host of other federal spending and jobs provided by the Fort Huachuca Army base.

Doctors and hospital officials, generally reluctant to plunge into divisive debates in their largely conservative county, started speaking out after they saw news of the 2-1 vote in The Herald/Review, the local newspaper. Some criticized the supervisors for reinforcing local vaccine resistance with a welter of anti-vaccine misinformation.

"It's insanity," said Dr. Cristian Laguillo, who has been treating a crush of Covid-19 patients at Copper Queen Community Hospital in the old copper-mining town of Bisbee. "It was a decision made without thought, without care. That's maddening."

Since there are few intensive-care beds in the county, doctors said they were spending hours on the phone pleading with crowded hospitals in Utah, Texas or Phoenix to take patients too sick to stay in Cochise County.

The Cochise supervisors who voted against the $1.9 million have raised doubts about the safety and reliability of the vaccines, despite no evidence. Ms. Judd said she and her family had recovered from Covid-19 in November after drinking orange juice spiked with ivermectin, a drug commonly used to treat animal parasites that has become a go-to remedy for vaccine opponents. She said she and her family remain unvaccinated.

"We're those people," she said in a telephone interview, coughing occasionally — a lingering sign of the infection.

The other Cochise supervisor who voted against the money, Tom Crosby, compared Covid-19 vaccines to Agent Orange, the cancer-causing herbicide that killed and maimed hundreds of thousands during the Vietnam War. He said he wanted "to get the county out of the vaccine business."

[4everwarriors]

Hey?



https://twitter.com/hollandcourtney/status/1491996868829614081?s=20&t=wJSBW_VvMxnaJSd5DjHXiw

[MU82]

Hey?



https://twitter.com/hollandcourtney/status/1491996868829614081?s=20&t=wJSBW_VvMxnaJSd5DjHXiw

They'd also burst out into a cheer if you told them the only thing they'd ever have to eat again is ice cream. They could have it for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Yay!

Seriously, we're all glad that omicron has wound down enough for school districts to make these kinds of decisions. If there were less vaccine misinformation out there, districts would have been able to do this sooner.

[Lighthouse 84]

They'd also burst out into a cheer if you told them the only thing they'd ever have to eat again is ice cream. They could have it for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Yay!

Seriously, we're all glad that omicron has wound down enough for school districts to make these kinds of decisions. If there were less vaccine misinformation out there, districts would have been able to do this sooner.

Yet, I've got neighbors who are confident that their kids have ZERO problems with wearing masks and that some even like them. I think what happened in Vegas, that didn't stay in Vegas, is probably representative of how kids truly feel about masks.

[The Sultan]

Yet, I've got neighbors who are confident that their kids have ZERO problems with wearing masks and that some even like them. I think what happened in Vegas, that didn't stay in Vegas, is probably representative of how kids truly feel about masks.

"Hey guys let's give a big cheer when we take off the masks."

So they do it.

I have no idea how much kids mind wearing masks. My guess is that some do and some don't. But of course conservative Twitter laps this stuff up...and Scoopers fall for it. 

[forgetful]

Yet, I've got neighbors who are confident that their kids have ZERO problems with wearing masks and that some even like them. I think what happened in Vegas, that didn't stay in Vegas, is probably representative of how kids truly feel about masks.

Most kids take their parents stance on masks and adopt it.

If their parents advocate for masks, and make them aware of why they are doing it. They are fine/ok with masks.

If their parents act like masks are part of a giant hoax designed to take away their freedoms, they are defiant and don't like mask usage.

[tower912]

Model resilience, raise resilient kids.   Model Karen, raise Karen kids.

[The Sultan]

Model resilience, raise resilient kids.   Model Karen, raise Karen kids.

LOL..yep.

[MU82]

Yet, I've got neighbors who are confident that their kids have ZERO problems with wearing masks and that some even like them. I think what happened in Vegas, that didn't stay in Vegas, is probably representative of how kids truly feel about masks.

My grandkids wear their masks at preschool when they're told to, and don't wear them when they don't have to.

They also clean up their crayons when told to, and make a mess when they're allowed to.

They parrot adults.

[MU82]

A long-time anti-vaxxer, who had fully bought into all the BS surrounding the "personal choice," almost lost his pregnant wife and the son she was carrying. Now he's vaccinated, and he tells friends and relatives to get the jab.

"When you sit there and you see your wife on life support because of covid, you throw out politics," he said later. "None of that matters anymore."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/02/14/unvaccinated-pregnant-mom-covid-strokes-texas/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F360d3bd%2F620bdf8d9d2fda34e792a37e%2F5f8d147cae7e8a56e5b732a4%2F8%2F74%2F620bdf8d9d2fda34e792a37e

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

My mom's neighbor just told a story of one his anti-vaxxer friends.  The friend is paralyzed and uses a wheelchair.  Anti-vaxxer's brother called and there was no response, so he called the police to check on him and his girlfriend.  Police had to break in.  The girlfriend was dead from COVID and the guy was in a coma.  3 weeks oi the ICU and on a ventilator and somehow managed to survive.  He can't talk now and is in therapy to maybe regain speaking ability again.
That sure showed 'em!   

[MU82]

My mom's neighbor just told a story of one his anti-vaxxer friends.  The friend is paralyzed and uses a wheelchair.  Anti-vaxxer's brother called and there was no response, so he called the police to check on him and his girlfriend.  Police had to break in.  The girlfriend was dead from COVID and the guy was in a coma.  3 weeks oi the ICU and on a ventilator and somehow managed to survive.  He can't talk now and is in therapy to maybe regain speaking ability again.
That sure showed 'em!   

Truly owned all those who believe in vaccines.

I just hope his personal choice didn't prevent somebody who was sick with something other than "Freedom!" from getting an ICU bed and/or ventilator.

[pbiflyer]

One of my son's long time classmate had anti vaxxers parents. Dad was a race car driver so limited life insurance. Dad spent 2 months on a vent, huge medical bills, dad has died. Mom still refused vax while dad was on vent. Now she has Covid with co-morbidities. Kid will be penniless and maybe an orphan, but hey the parents owned the libs!

[MU82]

One of my son's long time classmate had anti vaxxers parents. Dad was a race car driver so limited life insurance. Dad spent 2 months on a vent, huge medical bills, dad has died. Mom still refused vax while dad was on vent. Now she has Covid with co-morbidities. Kid will be penniless and maybe an orphan, but hey the parents owned the libs!

I blame Biden.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Please proceed anti-vaxxers

[BrewCity83]

What are you implying?  That Trump voters are old, fat, have more co-morbidities, and are more likely to die than non-Trump voters?

[tower912]

Unvaccinated are more likely to die from COVID than vaccinated.    Currently, Trump voters are more likely to be unvaccinated than Biden voters.   The math is pretty simple.

[BrewCity83]

Unvaccinated are more likely to die from COVID than vaccinated.    Currently, Trump voters are more likely to be unvaccinated than Biden voters.   The math is pretty simple.

Trump voters are also older than Biden voters.

[tower912]

Your point?

[BrewCity83]

My point is that there are other factors besides vaccination rate that explains the chart.

[MU82]

From the NYT:

Ocean County, in central New Jersey, is a mixture of beach towns like Barnegat Light and exurban towns like Toms River and Lakewood. Household income in the county exceeds the U.S. average.

Yet Ocean County is among the least vaccinated places in the Northeast. Only 53 percent of residents have received at least two doses of a Covid-19 vaccine (or one dose of Johnson & Johnson). Only 26 percent have received a booster shot.

The large number of unvaccinated residents in Ocean County has led to a horrific amount of Covid illness and death. Nearly one out of every 200 residents has died from the virus. That is worse than the toll in Mississippi, the U.S. state with the largest amount of Covid death per capita, and worse than in any country except for Peru.

What explains the vaccine skepticism in Ocean County? Politics, above all. The county is heavily Republican. Donald Trump won it by almost 30 percentage points in 2020, and many Republicans — including those who are older than 65 and vulnerable to severe Covid illness — are skeptical of the vaccines.

But at least they got to own the libs ... and at least they didn't die from (make-believe) illnesses brought about by the vaccines themselves.

[ATL MU Warrior]

My point is that there are other factors besides vaccination rate that explains the chart.

no there aren't.  Old and fat people are also protected by the vaccine.  to imply they aren't is dishonest.

[tower912]

My point is that there are other factors besides vaccination rate that explains the chart.

The chart specifically tracks vaccinated v unvaccinated.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

What are you implying?  That Trump voters are old, fat, have more co-morbidities, and are more likely to die than non-Trump voters?

Implying? It's data. There is no need to imply anything, the data is pretty dramatic.

If Trump voters are old, fat, and have more co-morbidities as you say, seems like they would benefit most from getting vaccinated, no? Why is it, do you think, that Fox Snooze and 1,500 AM radio yakkers (and several dentist Buffons) are telling them not to get a free, life saving treatment?