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brewcity77

We have the latest S-Curve as well as some notes on Marquette's resume. They are now tied with the likes of Auburn and Gonzaga for the third most Quadrant 1 wins in the country (only Baylor and UW-Madison have more) and the win over Illinois continues to age well. Here's the update from Cracked Sidewalks:

https://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2022/01/resume-watch.html
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cheebs09

Gosh, I am just excited to be in this position. I know some had faith in this team getting to do the tournament, but I thought we might be looking like Wojo's first team, but with improvement during the year.

Hopefully we can start solidifying the resume these next 6 games.


Nukem2


brewcity77

Quote from: Nukem2 on January 17, 2022, 12:28:30 PM
Bracket Matrix has MU as an 11 seed

It hasn't updated since before the SHU game. Marquette would be safely in today. 8-10 seeds are all reasonable, but no chance of Dayton if the tourney started today.
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Mu8891

With all of the big wins, tough schedule and strength of the BE, I have to think
MU would be about a 9 seed as of today ...

94Warrior

#5
You mentioned K State as a quad 1 win, but not WVU?  I would think the WVU win was far more impressive.

The 4 quad 1 wins would be UI, WVU, Prov & SHU, right?

Great analysis!  I enjoy stuff like this far more than 1 guy telling us all what a foul is and is not, as if he's the only 1 who has ever played or watched basketball!  Thanks.

brewcity77

Quote from: 94Warrior on January 17, 2022, 01:55:58 PM
You mentioned K State as a quad 1 win, but not WVU?  I would think the WVU win was far more impressive.

Great analysis!  I enjoy stuff like this far more than 1 guy telling us all what a foul is and is not, as if he's the only 1 who has ever played or watched basketball!  Thanks.

WVU is a Quad 1 win, but it always has been. K-State was notable because they were outside the NET top-75, which is the road Q1 cutoff, until this morning.

Illinois, Seton Hall, West Virginia, and K-State are the four Q1 wins for Marquette.
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94Warrior

How about Prov?  That makes 5, right?

BM1090

Quote from: 94Warrior on January 17, 2022, 01:55:58 PM
You mentioned K State as a quad 1 win, but not WVU?  I would think the WVU win was far more impressive.

The 4 quad 1 wins would be UI, WVU, Prov & SHU, right?

Great analysis!  I enjoy stuff like this far more than 1 guy telling us all what a foul is and is not, as if he's the only 1 who has ever played or watched basketball!  Thanks.

The four Q1 wins are WVU, SHU, KSU and ILL. Providence is Q2.

94Warrior

#9

Prov is 33 - home win - quad 2
K State is 75 - road win - quad 1


PGsHeroes32

Quote from: 94Warrior on January 17, 2022, 02:11:52 PM
Sorry, I must be missing something.
Prov is 33
K State is 75

Why is Prov quad 2 and K State quad 1?

Providence was home. Kstate was away.

Top 30 home.

Top 75 away.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

94Warrior


brewcity77

For the breakdown...

Quadrant 1: Home 1-30 / Neutral 1-50 / Away 1-75

Quadrant 2: Home 31-75 / Neutral 51-100 / Away 76-135

Quadrant 3: Home 76-160 / Neutral 101-200 / Away 136-240

Quadrant 4: Home 161+ / Neutral 201+ / Away 241+
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jficke13

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 17, 2022, 02:25:46 PM
For the breakdown...

Quadrant 1: Home 1-30 / Neutral 1-50 / Away 1-75

Quadrant 2: Home 31-75 / Neutral 51-100 / Away 76-135

Quadrant 3: Home 76-160 / Neutral 101-200 / Away 136-240

Quadrant 4: Home 161+ / Neutral 201+ / Away 241+

I realize there's logistical issues surrounding who is available when, but I feel like gamifying the scheduling process should lead you to never try to set a buy game for a 161+ team. If you believe you're a tournament team, you ought be able to thrash 150 as well as 250, only in one of those scenarios you avoid SOS rot from the deep bunnies. Brew, was it you that put up that correlation of how merely playing deep 200 and worse teams negatively affects your seed/computer numbers a few years back?

We ought to pin the analytics posts.

LAZER

Quote from: jficke13 on January 17, 2022, 03:38:47 PM
I realize there's logistical issues surrounding who is available when, but I feel like gamifying the scheduling process should lead you to never try to set a buy game for a 161+ team. If you believe you're a tournament team, you ought be able to thrash 150 as well as 250, only in one of those scenarios you avoid SOS rot from the deep bunnies. Brew, was it you that put up that correlation of how merely playing deep 200 and worse teams negatively affects your seed/computer numbers a few years back?

We ought to pin the analytics posts.
It's not that easy to find buy games against Top 161 teams.

brewcity77

Quote from: jficke13 on January 17, 2022, 03:38:47 PM
I realize there's logistical issues surrounding who is available when, but I feel like gamifying the scheduling process should lead you to never try to set a buy game for a 161+ team. If you believe you're a tournament team, you ought be able to thrash 150 as well as 250, only in one of those scenarios you avoid SOS rot from the deep bunnies. Brew, was it you that put up that correlation of how merely playing deep 200 and worse teams negatively affects your seed/computer numbers a few years back?

We ought to pin the analytics posts.

Those games were killer in the RPI days, but now they actually don't hurt you because everything is efficiency based. While it knocks strength of schedule, that's really just a last tiebreaker if you can't separate two teams.

Crap opponents are okay as long as you beat the spread. You can play #358, but you better beat them by 40-50 or more. Beat them by 10-15 and it will hurt you though. That has been part of Marquette's problem this year. They failed to cover against SIUE, UNH, and NIU. They did more damage to their metrics in those three wins than they did good in the Georgetown win.
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mileskishnish72

Hmmm. There would be a lot of story lines if this holds up and Texas and MU played in an 8-9 game.

brewcity77

Quote from: Nukem2 on January 17, 2022, 12:28:30 PMBracket Matrix has MU as an 11 seed

Updated today. Marquette is in 74/78 brackets and the top 10-seed. Of the ones to not include Marquette, there was...

bracketaday that had Dayton, Colorado, Oregon State, and Virginia all in their field; they were the ONLY bracket to include any of those teams. So they're nuts.

TK Brackets that had Washington State, Florida State, and (ineligible) Oklahoma State in their field.

There were two others that hadn't updated since 1/14 and 1/13. No one with a remotely sane looking bracket has us out at this point. This doesn't lock Marquette in by any stretch but if the Tournament started today, they would certainly be in.
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PGsHeroes32

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 18, 2022, 10:45:17 AM
Updated today. Marquette is in 74/78 brackets and the top 10-seed. Of the ones to not include Marquette, there was...

bracketaday that had Dayton, Colorado, Oregon State, and Virginia all in their field; they were the ONLY bracket to include any of those teams. So they're nuts.

TK Brackets that had Washington State, Florida State, and (ineligible) Oklahoma State in their field.

There were two others that hadn't updated since 1/14 and 1/13. No one with a remotely sane looking bracket has us out at this point. This doesn't lock Marquette in by any stretch but if the Tournament started today, they would certainly be in.


Dont they have 3 wins?
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

Dr. Blackheart


brewcity77

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