Kolek Proving to be an A-10 Quality Guard

[panda]

Ugh.  You don't get it.

It doesn't matter what Wojo told anyone.  He did not grant Markus anything special, which was the root of your thesis to begin with.

Optics matter and some within the program perceived he gave special treatment.

[Uncle Rico]

Optics matter and some within the program perceived he gave special treatment.

That's because the Hausers were soft and spoiled

[The Sultan]

Optics matter and some within the program perceived he gave special treatment.

JFC...I am going to explain this to you one more time.  This is what you said originally:

And the problems were also never there until Wojo started making special concessions and exceptions to keep Markus happy.

When you were (rightfully) called out on this nonsense, you started talking optics and communication.  Which might have been fine in the summer of 2018, but clearly were behind everyone involved when Markus started coming out about his problems in the Spring of 2019 and the Hausers left after that season.

So while there MAY have been problems due to lack of communication in 2018, it wasn't because Wojo granted Markus anything special.  Furthermore, everyone knew why Markus left that summer even before the 2018-19 season started.  So regardless of what "source" you have, I am calling bullsh*t on your entire premise because it either makes the Hausers look REALLY bad, or you completely exaggerated. 

I'm going with the latter.

[Galway Eagle]

This sounds like Panda had a good source, maybe conversation with one of the various Hausers, and they vented about some stuff at the time and Panda used it as justification for something months later. Could also be a more recent conversation where one of the various Hausers is listing a long list of grievances to justify ultimately trashing a great year, but Panda latched onto one without considering the timeline issue.

[MU82]

Is that the same source that told you there was no way wojo would be fired ?

Nobody told me Wojo wouldn't be fired. I simply didn't realize we had boosters who were willing to pony up millions to make it happen. I've admitted that.

You might want to occasionally admit you're wrong, too. It's good for the heart.

Nah ... easier to offer "evidence" of "reliable first hand information" because, after all, nobody can prove you're making stuff up if you say that.

But congrats on serving up the "you read a message board" putdown ... even as you anonymously offer your "proof" on the same message board.

The Hausers played a major role in torpedoing a very good season, and you blaming the coach for protecting a player with mental health issues is weak.

[panda]

JFC...I am going to explain this to you one more time.  This is what you said originally:

When you were (rightfully) called out on this nonsense, you started talking optics and communication.  Which might have been fine in the summer of 2018, but clearly were behind everyone involved when Markus started coming out about his problems in the Spring of 2019 and the Hausers left after that season.

So while there MAY have been problems due to lack of communication in 2018, it wasn't because Wojo granted Markus anything special.  Furthermore, everyone knew why Markus left that summer even before the 2018-19 season started.  So regardless of what "source" you have, I am calling bullsh*t on your entire premise because it either makes the Hausers look REALLY bad, or you completely exaggerated. 

I'm going with the latter.

Take a deep breath Muggsy Jr. I know it's hard for you to wrap your head around, but it is possible you don't know everything about everything.

[The Sultan]

Take a deep breath Muggsy Jr. I know it's hard for you to wrap your head around, but it is possible you don't know everything about everything.

LOL.  Deflection instead of approaching with logic. 

Keep digging your hole deeper

[UWW2MU]

Flow chart for that one, please, UWM2MU.

Easy.


Create terrible topic ---->  Scoop goes off topic to another awful topic  ---->  Confusion

[Elonsmusk]

That's because the Hausers were soft and spoiled

Personally I find declaring a mental health crisis when on a campus filled with resources/counselors, etc., and needing to go home to be soft and spoiled.

Did the Hausers have a mental health crisis, and need to retreat back to Stevens Point?  Seems as though Joey should have gone the Markus route and declared such.

Markus was a great scorer and great kid.  Doesn't mean his teammates loved playing with him.  Step back 23 footers 4 seconds into a shot clock with zero passes to teammates on the regular isn't a fun team to play on.

So..people can throw around that the Hausers were soft, but Markus was too.

[The Sultan]

Personally I find declaring a mental health crisis when on a campus filled with resources/counselors, etc., and needing to go home to be soft and spoiled.

Did the Hausers have a mental health crisis, and need to retreat back to Stevens Point?  Seems as though Joey should have gone the Markus route and declared such.

Clearly Rico was doing his "teal without teal" schtick.  Personally I don't think its best to debate how to treat one's mental health on a message board where we have very little actual knowledge.  If Markus needed to go home, he needed to go home.  That hardly makes him soft.

Markus was a great scorer and great kid.  Doesn't mean his teammates loved playing with him.  Step back 23 footers 4 seconds into a shot clock with zero passes to teammates on the regular isn't a fun team to play on.

This is a legit issue and much more likely to be the source of Hausers frustration rather than letting him go home for a summer.

[Galway Eagle]

Personally I find declaring a mental health crisis when on a campus filled with resources/counselors, etc., and needing to go home to be soft and spoiled.

Did the Hausers have a mental health crisis, and need to retreat back to Stevens Point?  Seems as though Joey should have gone the Markus route and declared such.

Markus was a great scorer and great kid.  Doesn't mean his teammates loved playing with him.  Step back 23 footers 4 seconds into a shot clock with zero passes to teammates on the regular isn't a fun team to play on.

So..people can throw around that the Hausers were soft, but Markus was too.

I find grown men, who peaked with their HS dunk, calling an emancipated 17yr old who moved halfway across the country to an entirely different lifestyle and play in front of thousands soft, to be somewhat soft themselves.

Joey and Sam got to go home all the time. I used to be friends with Froling on Snapchat and they were home all the time, bit of an invalid comparison to Markus not being around his family in AZ

[panda]

LOL.  Deflection instead of approaching with logic. 

Keep digging your hole deeper

I didn't consider that saying "some people in the program believed Wojo gave preferential treatment to Markus."

That isn't my opinion. That is first hand info from what I know to be (and I'm sure if I would tell you the name, you'd agree) an extremely reliable source.

[Uncle Rico]

Personally I find declaring a mental health crisis when on a campus filled with resources/counselors, etc., and needing to go home to be soft and spoiled.

Did the Hausers have a mental health crisis, and need to retreat back to Stevens Point?  Seems as though Joey should have gone the Markus route and declared such.

Markus was a great scorer and great kid.  Doesn't mean his teammates loved playing with him.  Step back 23 footers 4 seconds into a shot clock with zero passes to teammates on the regular isn't a fun team to play on.

So..people can throw around that the Hausers were soft, but Markus was too.

I wouldn't retreat to Stevens Point for any reason

[Its DJOver]

Glad to see that having a new coach doesn't stop us from having the exact same argument that's been going on for years. But the real question should be: did or didn't Davidson "piss their leg" in 2013?

[MUBBau]

I think Kolek is going to have a nice game tonight.

[Pakuni]

I find grown men, who peaked with their HS dunk, calling an emancipated 17yr old who moved halfway across the country to an entirely different lifestyle and play in front of thousands soft, to be somewhat soft themselves.

Joey and Sam got to go home all the time. I used to be friends with Froling on Snapchat and they were home all the time, bit of an invalid comparison to Markus not being around his family in AZ

5'10", 170-pound kid who turns himself into an All-American college basketball player and a storied program's all-time leading scorer, then makes the NBA = soft.

Old man who brags on the internet about dunking in high school = ?

[Uncle Rico]

Glad to see that having a new coach doesn't stop us from having the exact same argument that's been going on for years. But the real question should be: did or didn't Davidson "piss their leg" in 2013?

THEY CHOKED LIKE DOGS EVEN THOUGH THEYRE WILDCATS

[Newsdreams]

I think Kolek is going to have a nice game tonight.

Kolek sucks

[wadesworld]

Personally I find declaring a mental health crisis when on a campus filled with resources/counselors, etc., and needing to go home to be soft and spoiled.

Did the Hausers have a mental health crisis, and need to retreat back to Stevens Point?  Seems as though Joey should have gone the Markus route and declared such.

Markus was a great scorer and great kid.  Doesn't mean his teammates loved playing with him.  Step back 23 footers 4 seconds into a shot clock with zero passes to teammates on the regular isn't a fun team to play on.

So..people can throw around that the Hausers were soft, but Markus was too.

Lol.  Dunked in high school.  Psychiatrist.  What can't you do?

[Elonsmusk]

I find grown men, who peaked with their HS dunk, calling an emancipated 17yr old who moved halfway across the country to an entirely different lifestyle and play in front of thousands soft, to be somewhat soft themselves.

Joey and Sam got to go home all the time. I used to be friends with Froling on Snapchat and they were home all the time, bit of an invalid comparison to Markus not being around his family in AZ

I find the posters who call the Hausers soft, while defending Markus at every turn, to be soft.  That aside Wojo was the ultimate problem, he never had the necessary cred or skillset to manage that situation.

Lol.  Dunked in high school.  Psychiatrist.  What can't you do?

I can't play your sport, volleyball.  Btw...your prophecies of Final Fours and beautiful runs under Wojo once he had all his guys didn't quite work out so well for you.  You were the biggest fanboy on here.  Enough said as it relates to your basketball intellect.

[Galway Eagle]

I find the posters who call the Hausers soft, while defending Markus at every turn, to be soft.  That aside Wojo was the ultimate problem, he never had the necessary cred or skillset to manage that situation.

I can't play your sport, volleyball.  Btw...your prophecies of Final Fours and beautiful runs under Wojo once he had all his guys didn't quite work out so well for you.  You were the biggest fanboy on here.  Enough said as it relates to your basketball intellect.

You're right I'll stand with people who graduated from MU and led/assisted us to multiple tournaments over weirdly obsessing over a guy who's proven to be crap at MSU and a guy who turned his back on his friend and school.

That being said I don't defend Markus at every turn, he shot too many ill advised shots, and cost us a few games wanting to be the clutch hero. With the Hausers though, he was probably 80% in the right from the version I've heard

[Viper]

You're right I'll stand with people who graduated from MU and led/assisted us to multiple tournaments over weirdly obsessing over a guy who's proven to be crap at MSU and a guy who turned his back on his friend and school.

That being said I don't defend Markus at every turn, he shot too many ill advised shots, and cost us a few games wanting to be the clutch hero. With the Hausers though, he was probably 80% in the right from the version I've heard

one thing about Markus no one mentions...he made the games worth watching, and put MU in the national spotlight during his time. Without MH, MU was meh.

[Lennys Tap]

one thing about Markus no one mentions...he made the games worth watching, and put MU in the national spotlight during his time. Without MH, MU was meh.

With him they were often meh, too - especially in March.

[Galway Eagle]

With him they were often meh, too - especially in March.

As opposed to without him where they didn't even make march? Correct me if I'm wrong but are you implying you'd rather have no march than meh march?

[Shooter McGavin]

With him they were often meh, too - especially in March.

True.  With out him though we may not have even gotten Shaka as a coach.  This would be a slippery slope without players like Markus at least keeping MU in the conversation.  I dont think people realize how easy it would be to be a completely inept program. Markus prevented us from being inept.