Kolek Proving to be an A-10 Quality Guard

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

No I mean letting Markus go home during team workouts and Markus repeatedly going off script while he was clearly banged up with no recourse.

Your Herro point really makes my point. Wojo was probably the softest of them all in the situation. He wanted to please everyone and in trying to do so, really pleased no one.

If the Hausers were mad that Howard got to go home because he had a mental health crisis and went to be with his family to work on it than f*ck the Hausers and anyone who buys into their crap

[MU82]

No I mean letting Markus go home during team workouts and Markus repeatedly going off script while he was clearly banged up with no recourse.

Your Herro point really makes my point. Wojo was probably the softest of them all in the situation. He wanted to please everyone and in trying to do so, really pleased no one.

Had Wojo not made what you call a "concession and exception," it could have severely hurt Markus and, by extension, the team. Markus spoke very openly about his mental health issue, and he needed to be near family. If Wojo pressured Markus into staying in Milwaukee and Markus then had a breakdown (or worse), Wojo would have been guilty of negligence (maybe not legally so, but he would have been). So there's that myth exposed for the umpteenth time; the only reason to keep pushing that false narrative is dislike of Markus and/or Wojo.

As for your Herro point ... if Wojo recruits and lands Herro, the Hausers might defect and Wojo would be criticized. So he decides to keep the Hausers happy, theoretically helping team chemistry, and we use a 20-2 stretch to get into the top 10. Then The Lettermen start singing, and that's Wojo's fault, too.

And you know what ... much (maybe most) IS Wojo's fault because he's the coach and the buck always stops with the coach and ego management is a huge part of his job and that's why coaches get the big bucks. But don't make it sound like dealing with the Hausers was a picnic, as opposed to the way Wojo supposedly made "concessions and exceptions" for an All-American.

Nice to get to discuss this for the 8,553rd time. We were all getting tired of the Kolek debate, anyway.

[panda]

Yeah, letting Markus go home over the summer to stay with family and be close to his doctor during a mental breakdown was soft of Wojo.

Except Wojo didn’t frame it as such to the team.

[4everwarriors]

Crean sucks

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Except Wojo didn’t frame it as such to the team.

Well, how he framed it was a communication problem.  (And it wasn't really the team's business to know.)  Not a "special concession to keep him happy."

[panda]

Well, how he framed it was a communication problem.  (And it wasn't really the team's business to know.)  Not a "special concession to keep him happy."

He framed it incorrectly and by doing so, it appeared to the team as if it was a special concession.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

He framed it incorrectly and by doing so, it appeared to the team as if it was a special concession.

I get that.  But you parroted the miscommunication instead of stating what actually happened.

[wadesworld]

Wojo's fault was roster construction.  Based on what he had on the roster, anyone who thinks Markus Howard should not have had the "ultimate green light" isn't paying attention to what Joey Hauser is doing at MSU, or what anyone else on the roster not named Sam Hauser is as a basketball player.  Sam was very good.  He got plenty of opportunities.  Everyone else?  Meh.  Joey was the third best player...and 3 years later, playing for a Hall of Fame coach, he's still not a good college basketball player.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I do think Wojo relied a little too much on a star system versus an offense that had more movement.  But that certainly was not Markus' fault.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Except Wojo didn’t frame it as such to the team.

Because he would have been in violation of medical privacy laws and would have been fired.

[MU82]

He framed it incorrectly and by doing so, it appeared to the team as if it was a special concession.

Look, you're wrong. Just accept it and move on.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

And wasn't there like 10 months between when Markus went home and the Hausers left?  And didn't Markus open up about the mental health issues a few months before they left?

I mean, if they still viewed it as a "special concession" at that point, then that's on them.  (But I don't think that's why they left.)

[panda]

Because he would have been in violation of medical privacy laws and would have been fired.

Saying he’s going through something and needs to be at home isn’t a hipaa violation.

[panda]

Look, you're wrong. Just accept it and move on.

I have extremely reliable first hand information. You read a message board.

[Viper]

He framed it incorrectly and by doing so, it appeared to the team as if it was a special concession.

your source? Or is this all conjecture bs?

[MU82]

I have extremely reliable first hand information. You read a message board.

I have extremely reliable first hand information that you're wrong. You're a guy on a message board.

[panda]

I have extremely reliable first hand information that you're wrong. You're a guy on a message board.

Is that the same source that told you there was no way wojo would be fired ?

[Galway Eagle]

So is Wojo making Kolek an A10 guard because the Hausers wrote him a letter telling him to? Or is Wojo making Kolek an A10 guard because Markus got to go home.

[Uncle Rico]

So is Wojo making Kolek an A10 guard because the Hausers wrote Gina letter telling him to? Or is Wojo making Kolek an A10 guard because Markus got to go home.

It’s been awhile, like a week since we’ve argued this.  Let’s see what exciting new path this one takes.

[DoctorV]

Shots fired pew pew.

I’ve got 0 reliable information outside of my own senses but I loved Markus as a person and player, and I loved Sam as a person and player, and I was rooting for Wojo and MU to succeed.

I know nothing about Joey personally but unfortunately I had a feeling from the first open practice I saw him at that he was a little you know what. Then we saw it again and again and again during games.

Markus was a chucker, but Markus was also an All American getting all the headlines. The fact that anyone would do anything in the middle of an amazing season behind the scenes to fu*k that up is just absolutely devastating.

That could have been an amazing and historical season, and the true answer is that everyone involved has some fault. Jealousy/bitterness and personal pride are a sonovabitch that can derail any rapidly moving train. Wojo lost control and it all snowballed on him and the team

*** Had to edit this to say I was actually getting tired of talking/reading about Kolek. Great spot to take an already exhausted topic and hijack another that was heading that way

[UWW2MU]

I think what we're trying to say is... Markus playing in the A-10 could have kept the Hausers from writing a letter because they'd never play with Kolek and the Hausers mom knew about a guy who had cancer and was in a locker room once so they'd have to transfer schools anyway while Wojo became head coach at Duke.

[tower912]

Flow chart for that one, please, UWM2MU.

[panda]

Shots fired pew pew.

I’ve got 0 reliable information outside of my own senses but I loved Markus as a person and player, and I loved Sam as a person and player, and I was rooting for Wojo and MU to succeed.

I know nothing about Joey personally but unfortunately I had a feeling from the first open practice I saw him at that he was a little you know what. Then we saw it again and again and again during games.

Markus was a chucker, but Markus was also an All American getting all the headlines. The fact that anyone would do anything in the middle of an amazing season behind the scenes to fu*k that up is just absolutely devastating.

That could have been an amazing and historical season, and the true answer is that everyone involved has some fault. Jealousy/bitterness and personal pride are a sonovabitch that can derail any rapidly moving train. Wojo lost control and it all snowballed on him and the team

*** Had to edit this to say I was actually getting tired of talking/reading about Kolek. Great spot to take an already exhausted topic and hijack another that was heading that way

Sorry - I just get fired up when people start blaming the kids in the situation when the head man grossly mismanaged the situation from the start.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I have extremely reliable first hand information. You read a message board.

Ugh.  You don't get it.

It doesn't matter what Wojo told anyone.  He did not grant Markus anything special, which was the root of your thesis to begin with.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Saying he’s going through something and needs to be at home isn’t a hipaa violation.

I didn't mention that law as Wojo isn't a MD. ADA for starters.