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MU82

You know, if Aaron Judge keeps doing what he's doing, he has a decent chance to finish a close third behind Ohtani and Trout in the AL MVP race.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

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Dish

The White Sox haven't been two games above .500 since April 20th.

Pakuni

Hader traded to the Padres.

The Sultan

Not sure about the return but what do I know?
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

PGsHeroes32

Twins ended up with Pagan

While Rogers turned into Hader

Obviously more involved in the deals. But still hilarious.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

Jockey

#905
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on August 01, 2022, 12:39:19 PM
Not sure about the return but what do I know?

Brewers will receive lefty closer Taylor Rogers, outfielder Esteury Ruiz, right-hander Dinelson Lamet and pitching prospect Robert Gasser.

Good mover now rather than selling him at a huge discount at next year's deadline.

Ruiz should move in at 2B next year.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Jockey on August 01, 2022, 12:42:20 PM
Brewers will receive lefty closer Taylor Rogers, outfielder Esteury Ruiz, right-hander Dinelson Lamet and pitching prospect Robert Gasser.

Good mover now rather than selling him at a huge discount at next year's deadline.

Ruiz was a breakout player so far this year
Guster is for Lovers

cheebs09

Sounds like Lamet has a ton of potential, but problems staying healthy. The little bit I've read is he has some nasty stuff.

Jockey

Two years ago, he was looked at as a potential #2 or #3 starter. If he can get past the injuries, who knows.

Dish

I think the Brewers did fine, they essentially had to trade Hader now, they were never going to go to arb and pay him $15m next year. His value was higher now than it would be in the winter, decent return coming back.

MUBurrow

Quote from: DegenerateDish on August 01, 2022, 01:55:01 PM
I think the Brewers did fine, they essentially had to trade Hader now, they were never going to go to arb and pay him $15m next year. His value was higher now than it would be in the winter, decent return coming back.

Totally agree.  My heart sunk a bit when I saw the headline, but they did well. Those prospects are legit and close, not wing and a prayer types.  And there's a chance Rogers and Lamet can give them more than half of what Hader was giving them after you factor in innings by results. My kingdom for two more ticks on Lamet's fastball, though.

Jockey

Yankees get Montas. Cards must be getting desperate.

The answer is right in front of them, though. Convert Yadi to a starter.

JWags85

Quote from: Jockey on August 01, 2022, 03:38:05 PM
Yankees get Montas. Cards must be getting desperate.

The answer is right in front of them, though. Convert Yadi to a starter.

Nah, he's a closer.  Could you imagine how fast Freeman, Judge, or Ohtani would melt facing his immeasurable intimidating factor in a late game, high leverage scenario?

Jockey

Let's hope at least 2 of the 3 guys from the Padres come thru big-time (I'm not including Rogers who is a FA this year).

Hader is, after all, the most dominant closer in MLB history.

Ardmore Mug

I saw that 2 of those guys are now Top Ten, #8 and #9, on the Brewer Prospect list...  Pretty good ! ! ! 8-)

cheebs09

I wonder if Counsell sticks with the designated closer or plays matchups like he used to.

wadesworld

Quote from: cheebs09 on August 01, 2022, 07:45:44 PM
I wonder if Counsell sticks with the designated closer or plays matchups like he used to.

Devin Williams

Dish

Soto, Padres collision course.

JWags85

Quote from: DegenerateDish on August 02, 2022, 10:50:36 AM
Soto, Padres collision course.

Obviously wins still need to follow, but Im trying to think of such a transformation in a team, without ownership change, like the Padres.  Splashed on Hosmer and Machado, traded for a big money pitcher in Darvish, aggressively went and got Snell, Manea, and Hader.  And now seemed primed to grab Soto.  The only homegrown big gun is Tatis.  All from a team who spent the first 5/6 years under this ownership group being cellar dwellars

PGsHeroes32

Quote from: JWags85 on August 02, 2022, 11:04:39 AM
Obviously wins still need to follow, but Im trying to think of such a transformation in a team, without ownership change, like the Padres.  Splashed on Hosmer and Machado, traded for a big money pitcher in Darvish, aggressively went and got Snell, Manea, and Hader.  And now seemed primed to grab Soto.  The only homegrown big gun is Tatis.  All from a team who spent the first 5/6 years under this ownership group being cellar dwellars

Soto and Bell are big time moves. Dodgers are still daddy though so Tatis better get back and they better make this work.

Nats got quite the haul with Hassell, Gore, Abrams and Wood all included.

Padres dumping HOsmer was big too though, dude blows.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

shoothoops

Cardinals didn't want to include both Walker and Carlson in the same trade for Soto. So, they will pivot to pitching.

Jockey

Quote from: JWags85 on August 02, 2022, 11:04:39 AM
Obviously wins still need to follow, but Im trying to think of such a transformation in a team, without ownership change, like the Padres.  Splashed on Hosmer and Machado, traded for a big money pitcher in Darvish, aggressively went and got Snell, Manea, and Hader.  And now seemed primed to grab Soto.  The only homegrown big gun is Tatis.  All from a team who spent the first 5/6 years under this ownership group being cellar dwellars

Tatis was only semi-homegrown. Acquired from  White Sox when he was 17 or 18.

MUBurrow

#922
Quote from: shoothoops on August 02, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
Cardinals didn't want to include both Walker and Carlson in the same trade for Soto. So, they will pivot to pitching.

From the rumors it looks like the ask was Walker, Carlson, and Gorman? I don't know much about Walker, and Gorman might be good though he reminds me of Dan Uggla.  I would bet money Carlson will always be a fringy third outfielder type. [edited because i called him a third-and-a-half OFer, and upon further review I think he's just more of a low end starter]

Dish

Quote from: JWags85 on August 02, 2022, 11:04:39 AM
Obviously wins still need to follow, but Im trying to think of such a transformation in a team, without ownership change, like the Padres.  Splashed on Hosmer and Machado, traded for a big money pitcher in Darvish, aggressively went and got Snell, Manea, and Hader.  And now seemed primed to grab Soto.  The only homegrown big gun is Tatis.  All from a team who spent the first 5/6 years under this ownership group being cellar dwellars

Tatis wasn't homegrown. 

Begrudgingly,
Sox Fan Dish

JWags85

Quote from: DegenerateDish on August 02, 2022, 12:15:40 PM
Tatis wasn't homegrown. 

Begrudgingly,
Sox Fan Dish
Quote from: Jockey on August 02, 2022, 11:49:25 AM
Tatis was only semi-homegrown. Acquired from  White Sox when he was 17 or 18.

Right, but I gave it to them considering he was traded when he was 17 and had never played a professional game.

It would be like saying Kobe wasn't a homegrown Laker cause the Hornets drafted him.

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