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wadesworld

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Get Rid of the Charge
« on: November 18, 2021, 06:26:21 PM »
It’s terrible basketball and college refs are terrible at calling it. I said it in a previous game thread but it deserves its own thread.
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2021, 06:27:02 PM »
Quote from: BLM on November 18, 2021, 06:26:21 PM
It’s terrible basketball and college refs are terrible at calling it. I said it in a previous game thread but it deserves its own thread.

Halle-freaking-luhah
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2021, 06:28:37 PM »
Yes.
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2021, 06:54:56 PM »
Drives me nuts.  Agreed.
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2021, 06:59:19 PM »
Could not possibly disagree more.  Offensive players already have the benefit of the doubt.   What is to stop them from lowering their head and barreling to the basket?
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2021, 07:03:21 PM »
Quote from: tower912 on November 18, 2021, 06:59:19 PM
Could not possibly disagree more.  Offensive players already have the benefit of the doubt.   What is to stop them from lowering their head and barreling to the basket?
yep might as well just bull rush ur defender every time if its a block always
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2021, 07:04:11 PM »
Quote from: tower912 on November 18, 2021, 06:59:19 PM
Could not possibly disagree more.  Offensive players already have the benefit of the doubt.   What is to stop them from lowering their head and barreling to the basket?

Because you can still call offensive fouls.  Being a roadblock isn’t playing defense
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2021, 07:08:09 PM »
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2021, 07:04:11 PM
Because you can still call offensive fouls.  Being a roadblock isn’t playing defense
so youve changed nothing. refs still have to discern between off foul and block. why is it any less confusing
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2021, 07:12:17 PM »
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2021, 07:04:11 PM
Because you can still call offensive fouls.  Being a roadblock isn’t playing defense

Yes, that is what I should have said. If you’re defending the ball and making a play on the ball, it can be a charge. But just sliding under an offensive player making no defensive move at all should not be a charge. At best make it a play on.
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2021, 07:12:48 PM »
Quote from: Johnny B on November 18, 2021, 07:08:09 PM
so youve changed nothing. refs still have to discern between off foul and block. why is it any less confusing

The play tonight that was called a charge should have been a foul on the defender.  He wasn’t playing defense. 
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2021, 07:20:30 PM »
Totally disagree. Playing good defense is getting to the spot before the offensive player. If the offensive player is able to bull through the defensive player good defense becomes a thing of the past.

If it is a play on then why would the defense need to move their feet and just let the player run into them and lose the ball.

If has to be a foul both ways or it has to be a play on both ways which will just lead to horrible play.
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2021, 09:48:46 PM »
Getting rid of the charge would only lead to even more stoppage in play than we already have as ball handlers lose fear of the call and we end up with collision after collision that necessitate a whistle.
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2021, 09:50:38 PM »
Holding your nuts and standing in a completely unnatural defensive position is not basketball.
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2021, 09:56:38 PM »
Totally disagree. If they got rid of the charge, I'd have to start carrying cash again.
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2021, 05:04:12 AM »
For all you Pat Driscolls Bo Boroskis out there who can't get enough charge calls...

https://youtu.be/poO7iPq1Y3w

This play... It's kinda bullcrap, right? That's exactly the crap secondary defenders are getting rewarded for. They're throwing themselves in front of guys and falling down. It's dangerous, and is sure as hell ain't "good defense."

I'm all for calling it when a guy lowers his shoulder on a drive or pushes off. No one is advocating getting rid of that.
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2021, 06:44:12 AM »
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 19, 2021, 05:04:12 AM
For all you Pat Driscolls Bo Boroskis out there who can't get enough charge calls...

https://youtu.be/poO7iPq1Y3w

This play... It's kinda bullcrap, right? That's exactly the crap secondary defenders are getting rewarded for. They're throwing themselves in front of guys and falling down. It's dangerous, and is sure as hell ain't "good defense."

I'm all for calling it when a guy lowers his shoulder on a drive or pushes off. No one is advocating getting rid of that.

There’s multi-generations of basketball fans that have been beaten over the head with what a great play it is by announcers and it’s been ingrained into the consciousness. 
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2021, 07:12:09 AM »
Quote from: panda on November 18, 2021, 09:50:38 PM
Holding your nuts and standing in a completely unnatural defensive position is not basketball.

It is if Brad Davison is coming at you.
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2021, 07:49:46 PM »
Bummmmmp. Traaaaaash.
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2021, 07:58:30 PM »
Quote from: BLM on November 19, 2021, 07:49:46 PM
Bummmmmp. Traaaaaash.
That Oso charge was ridiculous
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2023, 07:25:44 PM »
Bump. Awful. Refs have no idea what they’re calling.
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2023, 07:35:48 PM »
The charge call on Kolek was unconscionable, and it totally altered the course of the game.
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2023, 08:18:13 PM »
So let the offense get away with pushing? Be it with body or hands?
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2023, 09:18:18 PM »
Porky concurs.   Too arbitrary.  The game has way way too many fouls as it is and 2/3 of them are a joke.  Short of players tackling one another, Porky says let the kids play.  If that means CBB games routinely end with both teams scoring less than 40pts, so be it.
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2023, 09:20:07 PM »
Separate from that, can someone explain the rule where Oso was fouled with the clock stopped at the end of the game? I thought that was supposed to be two shots and the ball?
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Re: Get Rid of the Charge
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2023, 09:23:01 PM »
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 11, 2023, 09:20:07 PM
Separate from that, can someone explain the rule where Oso was fouled with the clock stopped at the end of the game? I thought that was supposed to be two shots and the ball?

Your thought is correct.  That and the Kolek charge were absurd calls. 
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