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tower912

How many threads on scoop if MU lost that way?

And how many times would Clarissa defend the refs?
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Quote from: tower912 on February 22, 2022, 09:15:00 PM
How many threads on scoop if MU lost that way?

And how many times would Clarissa defend the refs?
Honestly, your second sentence was the first thought I had when the game was over.

MuggsyB


Pakuni

Quote from: tower912 on February 22, 2022, 09:15:00 PM
How many threads on scoop if MU lost that way?

I'm sure the Nova fans are very nonchalant about it.

mug644

On the tie up, Gillespie caught the ball and should've gone straight into a dribble, before the second defender got there. That woudl've ensured a foul. Rather, he immediately held the ball, giving the defense a chance to reach in. I'm not as convinced as others that it was a terrible call. They had been calling the game tight, and this fit the pattern.

The charge call was shyte. Cole was not set. (Though Gillespie was a bit out of control.)

Villanova lost when they could've and should've won, but it wasn't that the refs stole it. It wasn't that they choked. They didn't execute at the end, and UConn did.

Great game.

PGsHeroes32

Quote from: mug644 on February 22, 2022, 09:19:59 PM
On the tie up, Gillespie caught the ball and should've gone straight into a dribble, before the second defender got there. That woudl've ensured a foul. Rather, he immediately held the ball, giving the defense a chance to reach in. I'm not as convinced as others that it was a terrible call. They had been calling the game tight, and this fit the pattern.

The charge call was shyte. Cole was not set. (Though Gillespie was a bit out of control.)

Villanova lost when they could've and should've won, but it wasn't that the refs stole it. It wasn't that they choked. They didn't execute at the end, and UConn did.

Great game.

Huh?

Calling it tight would had Cole called for 19 fouls
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

bradforster

Quote from: Pakuni on February 22, 2022, 09:18:16 PM
I'm sure the Nova fans are very nonchalant about it.

It helps when you've won two National Championships in the last five years and consistently finish first in your conference season after season.  We can only dream of reaching that level of success one day.  Jay Wright is the best coach in the country and I don't think it's particularly close.  Shaka's off to a good start with the Nova sweep! 

MU82

Yep, those were two bad calls. As someone else said, the jumpball call seemed really bad ... until that horrible charge call. Wow.

Of course, Nova also hurt themselves by missing the front end of a 1-and-1 that would have put them up 6 with very little time remaining.

I didn't see the Hurley ejection. Sounds like that was bogus too. But maybe it helped UConn down the stretch that Hurley was in the locker room - ha!
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mug644

Quote from: mug644 on February 22, 2022, 09:19:59 PM
On the tie up, Gillespie caught the ball and should've gone straight into a dribble, before the second defender got there. That woudl've ensured a foul. Rather, he immediately held the ball, giving the defense a chance to reach in. I'm not as convinced as others that it was a terrible call. They had been calling the game tight, and this fit the pattern.

The charge call was shyte. Cole was not set. (Though Gillespie was a bit out of control.)

Villanova lost when they could've and should've won, but it wasn't that the refs stole it. It wasn't that they choked. They didn't execute at the end, and UConn did.

Great game.

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 22, 2022, 09:21:37 PM
Huh?

Calling it tight would had Cole called for 19 fouls

I said that poorly. Better to have said that the refs were trying to keep control of the game throughout. Best would've been to just leave that sentence/idea out.

So, again, I'm not as convinced as others that it was a terrible call.

bradforster

Quote from: MU82 on February 22, 2022, 09:34:13 PM
Yep, those were two bad calls. As someone else said, the jumpball call seemed really bad ... until that horrible charge call. Wow.

Of course, Nova also hurt themselves by missing the front end of a 1-and-1 that would have put them up 6 with very little time remaining.

I didn't see the Hurley ejection. Sounds like that was bogus too. But maybe it helped UConn down the stretch that Hurley was in the locker room - ha!

The Hurley ejection was beyond bogus.  An officious crew tossed him with very little reason to do so.  Some things are inscrutable.

MU82

Quote from: mug644 on February 22, 2022, 09:38:32 PM
I said that poorly. Better to have said that the refs were trying to keep control of the game throughout. Best would've been to just leave that sentence/idea out.

So, again, I'm not as convinced as others that it was a terrible call.

I think you were right that Gillespie didn't do himself any favors with the way he played it, but it seemed like UConn players made material contact with him while going for the ball.
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mug644

Quote from: MU82 on February 22, 2022, 09:54:18 PM
I think you were right that Gillespie didn't do himself any favors with the way he played it, but it seemed like UConn players made material contact with him while going for the ball.

Fair enough. As the play evolved, with Gillespie not dribbling but hugging the ball, it seemed that the UConn players were reaching for the ball. I suppose, yes, they made material contact, yet they (or one at least) had hands (plural) on the ball. No surprise that it was called as it was. Certainly not terrible (like the charge moments later).

GooooMarquette

Quote from: MU82 on February 22, 2022, 09:34:13 PM

Yep, those were two bad calls. As someone else said, the jumpball call seemed really bad ... until that horrible charge call. Wow.



Yep. The charge call in particular was ridiculous.

And WTF are fans of a program like UConn doing storming the court after that win? Act like you've been there before.

We R Final Four

I had Nova +1 and refs call a foul on the inbound with 2/10 of a second to make sure UConn shoots a 1 and 1. They inbounded the ball......let the game end.....nope lets make sure uconn gets their FTs.

MU82

Quote from: mug644 on February 22, 2022, 10:04:39 PM
Fair enough. As the play evolved, with Gillespie not dribbling but hugging the ball, it seemed that the UConn players were reaching for the ball. I suppose, yes, they made material contact, yet they (or one at least) had hands (plural) on the ball. No surprise that it was called as it was. Certainly not terrible (like the charge moments later).

Excellent. We'll compromise!
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rocky_warrior

#1641
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 22, 2022, 10:17:40 PM
And WTF are fans of a program like UConn doing storming the court after that win? Act like you've been there before.

It was the first time in 8 years (since 2014) that UConn beat Nova.  So the last UConn student to see a win vs. Nova is likely around 26 now.

MuggsyB

Wow.  Finally saw the replay.  That wasn't even close to a charge.

StillWarriors

#1643
Quote from: MU82 on February 22, 2022, 09:54:18 PM
I think you were right that Gillespie didn't do himself any favors with the way he played it, but it seemed like UConn players made material contact with him while going for the ball.

There is no question in my mind the refs knew they might have been overzealous with the Hurley ejection. Gillespie had 3 fouls called on him last night that you just never see. He, and Nova generally, get away with that push with the off arm all the time. Not last night in the second half. It was stunning to see calls go against Nova for a change. They got hosed multiple times down the stretch of that game.

I find UConn and its fans terribly annoying, so that was a disappointing finish to an outstanding game for sure.

StillWarriors

Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 22, 2022, 11:40:17 PM
It was the first time in 8 years (since 2014) that UConn beat Nova.  So the last UConn student to see a win vs. Nova is likely around 26 now.

I also don't think most people, myself included, realized the impact on the collective ego of that fan base from going from the Big East and national championships to getting beaten regularly and soundly in the AAC. They are re-born being not only back in the Big East, but near the top. We can relate to some degree given the giddy reaction to MU's winning streak after the frustration then/or apathy that had creeped in the last few years. 

MarquetteDano

Quote from: StillWarriors on February 23, 2022, 07:13:14 AM
I find UConn and its fans terribly annoying, so that was a disappointing finish to an outstanding game for sure.

Agreed on UConn fans.  They are the same at the BET.  They think their team can never foul.  I know all fans are going to be biased but only Looeyville fans live in a more bizarro world that seem to think refs are there only to call violations against the other team.

Assessment of fans would normally be a subjective exercise,  but I would love if someone calculates the number of boos/jeers of refs per home game.  UConn would have to be up there.

swoopem

The ending of the game was bad for Nova but didn't we want UCONN to win? This way Nova stays in 2nd, UCONN 3rd, and then we should have the 4/5 spot and hopefully play Creighton then Providence

I was happy with the results
Bring back FFP!!!

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: swoopem on February 23, 2022, 07:44:39 AM
The ending of the game was bad for Nova but didn't we want UCONN to win? This way Nova stays in 2nd, UCONN 3rd, and then we should have the 4/5 spot and hopefully play Creighton then Providence

I was happy with the results

I agree with this take. The other factor is that the win moved UConn to 16 in NET. If they can climb one more spot, that puts them into Q1A/Q1A territory which benefits the entire conference. Nova is already top 10 and very unlikely to fall out of the top 15 at this point.
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Mr. Nielsen

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 12:04:41 AM
Wow.  Finally saw the replay.  That wasn't even close to a charge.
Really, wasn't even close. It was close!
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PGsHeroes32

Quote from: swoopem on February 23, 2022, 07:44:39 AM
The ending of the game was bad for Nova but didn't we want UCONN to win? This way Nova stays in 2nd, UCONN 3rd, and then we should have the 4/5 spot and hopefully play Creighton then Providence

I was happy with the results

Yes for us personally with BET potential seeding it definitely helped us. One more crack at Creighton and then Providence is our ideal path 100%

With a first round bye obviously included.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

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