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MuggsyB

WTH?  There are reports the gun was shot with a live round?  Crazy if true.

Galway Eagle

This is literally out of an episode of Psych and I'm sure like every other crime show.
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tower912

Horrible accident.    Tragedy for all involved.   
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Billy Hoyle

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 22, 2021, 02:27:57 PM
WTH?  There are reports the gun was shot with a live round?  Crazy if true.

one would think producers would have learned their lesson after what happened with Bruce and Brandon Lee. What a tragedy.
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Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: tower912 on October 22, 2021, 03:19:23 PM
Horrible accident.    Tragedy for all involved.

Involuntary manslaughter charges?

Galway Eagle

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 22, 2021, 03:54:17 PM
Involuntary manslaughter charges?

Not necessarily, I'd imagine gross negligence for whoever's in charge of props. There's a reasonable expectation from Alec that the gun would've been safe as he's not a prop expert. If a car's breaks fail and you're driving and hit someone that's on the manufacturer or recent mechanic not on you.
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MuggsyB

I just heard a blip on the radio speculating that it could have been a live round.  If that's true I would think someone could be charged with manslaughter? 

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: Galway Eagle on October 22, 2021, 03:58:17 PM
Not necessarily, I'd imagine gross negligence for whoever's in charge of props. There's a reasonable expectation from Alec that the gun would've been safe as he's not a prop expert. If a car's breaks fail and you're driving and hit someone that's on the manufacturer or recent mechanic not on you.

While I wouldn't mind if Alec was charged as he is an asswipe, there was a union dispute with a walk-out a few hours before this, with complaints of unsafe working conditions. Likely, some one will get charged with at least this charge if not more.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 22, 2021, 02:27:57 PM
WTH?  There are reports the gun was shot with a live round?  Crazy if true.

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Galway Eagle

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 22, 2021, 04:04:00 PM
While I wouldn't mind if Alec was charged as he is an asswipe, there was a union dispute with a walk-out a few hours before this, with complaints of unsafe working conditions. Likely, some one will get charged with at least this charge if not more.

Interesting didn't know about the walkout. There's gonna be some crazy conspiracies to this
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JWags85

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 22, 2021, 03:38:45 PM
one would think producers would have learned their lesson after what happened with Bruce and Brandon Lee. What a tragedy.

Bruce Lee died of a cerebral edema 20 years before the tragedy involving Brandon...

tower912

I would be surprised if there are criminal charges.   I expect the family of the deceased to get a low 8 figure settlement.
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Jockey

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 22, 2021, 02:27:57 PM
WTH?  There are reports the gun was shot with a live round?  Crazy if true.

A source close to union said Local 44 does not know what projectile was in the gun and clarified that "live" is an industry term that refers to a gun being loaded with some material such as a blank ready for filming.

Warriors4ever

Alec Baldwin is not at fault here, he can't be charged unless he knew the gun had some type of live round in it.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: Warriors4ever on October 22, 2021, 05:22:26 PM
Alec Baldwin is not at fault here, he can't be charged unless he knew the gun had some type of live round in it.

If he influenced the call to replace the union crew with unqualified individuals he might be
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Jockey

Quote from: Galway Eagle on October 22, 2021, 05:24:24 PM
If he influenced the call to replace the union crew with unqualified individuals he might be

It was a union camera crew that walked off the set.  Not the props people.

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PGsHeroes32

Quote from: Warriors4ever on October 22, 2021, 05:22:26 PM
Alec Baldwin is not at fault here, he can't be charged unless he knew the gun had some type of live round in it.

He was a producer on the movie and fired the round. He's probably screwed.
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Galway Eagle

Quote from: Jockey on October 22, 2021, 06:24:49 PM
It was a union camera crew that walked off the set.  Not the props people.

Got it thanks
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Jockey

Quote from: Galway Eagle on October 22, 2021, 06:39:59 PM
Got it thanks

Sounds like the whole production was a mess right from the start, though. Mostly cuz of a lack of $$$.

forgetful

Quote from: Galway Eagle on October 22, 2021, 05:24:24 PM
If he influenced the call to replace the union crew with unqualified individuals he might be

I highly doubt it. The only way I see any criminal charges here is if someone, possibly even on the union crew, intentionally switched guns, or rounds.

Otherwise, this is just a terrible tragic accident.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: forgetful on October 22, 2021, 07:41:58 PM
I highly doubt it. The only way I see any criminal charges here is if someone, possibly even on the union crew, intentionally switched guns, or rounds.

Otherwise, this is just a terrible tragic accident.

I still maintain someone getting hit with negligence is a possibility
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Hards Alumni

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 22, 2021, 06:39:36 PM
He was a producer on the movie and fired the round. He's probably screwed.

That's not how this works.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 22, 2021, 06:39:36 PM
He was a producer on the movie and fired the round. He's probably screwed.

Almost any big name gets producer credit for a bigger paycheck and shot at more publicity.
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