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Author Topic: New Frosh Class at MU  (Read 15020 times)

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Re: New Frosh Class at MU
« Reply #200 on: August 30, 2021, 03:20:31 PM »
82

We might lock horns in real life as well, but definitely would enjoy throwing back a couple of beers with you.

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Re: New Frosh Class at MU
« Reply #201 on: August 30, 2021, 06:02:07 PM »
We need a victory over Villanova to bring us all together.  :)

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Re: New Frosh Class at MU
« Reply #202 on: August 30, 2021, 07:00:44 PM »
So, if one was choosing the perfect doctor, what would one want:

1.  Out of residency for about 7 years.  Not more than 14 years.  I think the half life of doctors is now 10 years from Med School.  The more specialized, the more likely that things change faster.
2.  Someone who keeps up on trends and is very flexible and adaptive. Not set in one's ways. Always learning.
3.  Teaches younger docs/residents so as to keep up on what is going on.  But not too much as the next factor is important. Part of a medical school or involved with one.
4.  Highly Specialized.  Does a lot of the same procedures.  Very focused.
5.  Understands that since he/she is a specialist, understands others know more about the general area and surrounding issues and are needed and he/she needs to work with others for the patient's best interest.  So, works with others who know more than his/her little area, just not as much as his/her limited area.
6.  Walks or Rides a bike for 40 minutes per day.  Doesn't golf or waste time on any things excessive. Mediates twice a day for short periods.
7.  Married.  No kids.  Doesn't Drink.
8.  Sleeps well.  Focus is on his/her patients and not distracted by much else.
9.  Small ego.  A humble learner who other doctors/nurses/assistants want to help and work with.
10.  Part of a hospital "system" that is focused on cutting edge tech, collaboration, with the money to fund the best tech and machines and radiation, etc, etc.
10.A.  Oh ya, high ACT.  Just kidding, Lenny.

Well.....as a active reader of this site but a poster of very few comments, you got me Mr Gooo....

I'm really a doctor so please let me give my viewpoint.  I'm sorry but I've been a doctor now for over 30 years, so dammit I think I have some experience here even if you may think I'm over the hill.   So let's go to your list of somethings that are actually correct and perceptive and others that are plainly wrong.  Here we go:

#1:  Umm...NO.  You do have a point about keeping up to date in the medical field but I can assure you that when you have such a love for medicine to get you to study and give so much of your time to it, keeping up is not chore but a pleasure.  Plus there is a lot of competition around,  and any new drug or new surgical procedure is a chance to advance over your competition.  However just because something is new or "cool" doesn't make it better.  Sometimes an older, wiser surgeon looks at the newest flash-bang surgery like pelvic mesh (remember those ads on TV?)  and doesn't use it.
#2; yes, correct ; see above. 
#3 Correct.  I do it every day.  Keeps me young. Nothing like the look on a kid delivering his or her first baby.
#4 Yes, correct.  But I am more than a technician doing the same surgery every day.  That's boring and breeds complacency.
#5 Yes correct.  I work in a primary care clinic and value the opinions of others.
#6 Yes correct.  I cannot advise weight loss or quitting smoking if I'm fat or smell like the Avalanche bar circa 1985.  I don't meditate.  I pray like the Jesuits taught me.
#7  Man you are nuts!  Married 29 years.  No kids???  Screw you!!  Just dropped off my youngest at MU this weekend.  Doesn't drink?  I went to Marquette, am Catholic and a home brewer.  Nothing like making my own version of a Trappist beer.  I don't drink on call.
#8 I'm an Ob/Gyn.  Get up tomorrow at 3am you hoser.
#9 Correct but here I am taking time to respond to your comment!
#10  NO!  You cannot make this generalization.  While there are plenty of good doctors in "systems" my contention is that systems can be very bureaucratic and can produce a lot of cookbook medicine and sadly doctors end up reporting to some clipboard nurse with an agenda.  Often a small clinic can be more nimble, innovative  and patient focused than a system.   Bigger is not necessarily better.
#10A:  Didn't take the ACT.   Took the SAT.  I don't have a stick in the "brawl" with Lenny.  My only point is what I tell my students considering a residency.  That is, there are two routes to success in medicine.  One, be born smart.  I have met people in my field that pick up a book and scan it, and remember everything, and they are good doctors.  Option two is work your butt off to learn.  Go to a combat zone inner city county hospital and work to learn.  Yeah, work will extract something out of you...but oh the stories you can tell.



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Re: New Frosh Class at MU
« Reply #203 on: August 30, 2021, 07:09:26 PM »
Thanks for that wonderful post, soda. Sounds like you love your career and love helping others. I’m proud when I hear accounts like that from a fellow Warrior.

Be well!
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-- Shaka Smart, in The Athletic, 10/13/21

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Re: New Frosh Class at MU
« Reply #204 on: August 30, 2021, 07:57:29 PM »
Yeah butt, Nads, he mentioned praying, hey?
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Re: New Frosh Class at MU
« Reply #205 on: August 30, 2021, 08:02:25 PM »
Thanks for that wonderful post, soda. Sounds like you love your career and love helping others. I’m proud when I hear accounts like that from a fellow Warrior.

Be well!

Let’s go with SODAK instead.

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Re: New Frosh Class at MU
« Reply #206 on: August 30, 2021, 09:14:55 PM »
Call for Dr Soda, call for Dr Soda…

Dr: Hello
Lenny: Uh, I gotta question for ya Doc.
Dr: Yes
Lenny: What’y get on the ACT.
Dr:  I didn’t take the ACT, I took the SAT.
Lenny: “click” (hangs up).

Call for Dr Soda on one.
Dr: Hello
Goo: Are ya married?
Dr: what?
Goo: Are ya married?
Dr: Well, um, I’m busy
Goo: Don’t worry bout it. I just needa know.
Goo: Do you have kids?
Dr: Is this a joke.
Goo: No joke, ya got kids?
Dr: Ummm, fine, Yay, okay, I’m busy, ya, I do. 
Goo: Hangs up.

Dr: Why are these weirdo men  calling an OB/GY anyway? 

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Re: New Frosh Class at MU
« Reply #207 on: August 30, 2021, 09:16:49 PM »
Yeah butt, Nads, he mentioned praying, hey?

You have something against others praying, nu? I wouldn’t have thought that.
“A lot of the stuff that we believe in and that I’ve always believed in — it takes time. It’s not a quick fix. It’s not an instant-gratification thing. It’s a drip-by-drip process.”

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Re: New Frosh Class at MU
« Reply #208 on: August 30, 2021, 09:45:30 PM »
Nothing like making my own version of a Trappist beer.
What time shall I stop over?

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Re: New Frosh Class at MU
« Reply #209 on: August 30, 2021, 11:33:02 PM »
I didn't ask about IQs, I asked about standardized tests. So you are assuming that low sat or act scores would guarantee that a person wouldn't cut it in a stem field?

Sorry if I came off snarky, TAMU, but I don’t know of any studies tracking people with low SAT or ACT scores who choose (or more to the point qualify to choose) careers in surgery or nuclear physics. I honestly don’t know if a large enough sample would be available for a study.

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Re: New Frosh Class at MU
« Reply #210 on: August 30, 2021, 11:38:44 PM »
Lenny and I lock horns sometimes on Scoop -- as do you and I -- but he and I like each other. Actually, I shouldn't speak for him; I do like him, though. Seems like good people, and I'd enjoy meeting him one day. Same goes for you, of course.

Scoop is Scoop. It's not real life. At least not for most of us.

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Re: New Frosh Class at MU
« Reply #211 on: August 30, 2021, 11:41:32 PM »
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I have had the privilege of spending some time with Lenny in person and he is a class act, on and off of Scoop. Big fan of Lenny.

Goose

The privilege has been mine but thanks for the kind words

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Re: New Frosh Class at MU
« Reply #212 on: August 31, 2021, 05:41:52 AM »
You have something against others praying, nu? I wouldn’t have thought that.



Thoughts, aina?
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Re: New Frosh Class at MU
« Reply #213 on: August 31, 2021, 01:45:31 PM »
Let’s go with SODAK instead.
MU87 better, hey?

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Re: New Frosh Class at MU
« Reply #214 on: August 31, 2021, 03:53:16 PM »
Goose

The privilege has been mine but thanks for the kind words

Privilege? Lenny?

Just kidding. Lenny is an outstanding poster. I enjoy our banter whether we agree or disagree.

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Re: New Frosh Class at MU
« Reply #215 on: September 10, 2021, 04:43:05 PM »
Was on campus in Madison yesterday and UW has seen an increase of well over 1000 students in this Freshman class.

Why are they thriving while MU struggles to bring kids in?

The cost of tuition just too much now?

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Re: New Frosh Class at MU
« Reply #216 on: September 10, 2021, 04:57:48 PM »
Private school tuition is becoming more and more of a challenge. https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/1436330602760921110/photo/1

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Re: New Frosh Class at MU
« Reply #217 on: September 10, 2021, 05:22:27 PM »
Was on campus in Madison yesterday and UW has seen an increase of well over 1000 students in this Freshman class.

Why are they thriving while MU struggles to bring kids in?

The cost of tuition just too much now?

I think it is a marketing and administration problem. I know of private peer institutions of MU are more expensive, and setting record enrollments this year.

MU is doing something wrong.


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Re: New Frosh Class at MU
« Reply #218 on: September 10, 2021, 06:01:27 PM »
Knot 'nough bang four da buck, aina?
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Re: New Frosh Class at MU
« Reply #219 on: September 10, 2021, 07:15:01 PM »
One, be born smart.  I have met people in my field that pick up a book and scan it, and remember everything, and they are good doctors.
How often do you come across a highly intelligent individual that can't relate to patients, work with a team, and/or apply knowledge?  I always lool for doctors that are also good teachers...figure this ensures I get someone who is respected and can apply/relate?

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« Reply #220 on: September 10, 2021, 08:45:16 PM »
Was on campus in Madison yesterday and UW has seen an increase of well over 1000 students in this Freshman class.

Why are they thriving while MU struggles to bring kids in?

The cost of tuition just too much now?


I think Marquette doesn't care about quantity and is focusing on high priced areas like nursing, engineering and business. 
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« Reply #221 on: September 10, 2021, 09:37:00 PM »

I think Marquette doesn't care about quantity and is focusing on high priced areas like nursing, engineering and business.

An approach I’m all for. The PA program is one that will pay dividends for MU and society. Why water down a MU degree?
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Re: New Frosh Class at MU
« Reply #222 on: September 10, 2021, 11:11:01 PM »
I think it is a marketing and administration problem. I know of private peer institutions of MU are more expensive, and setting record enrollments this year.

MU is doing something wrong.

Porky's guess is those institutions are aggressively recruiting students who reside in zip codes with very attractive financial demographics in different parts of the country than from where they've typically recruited from.  Many schools in the southeast (Elon is one that particularly comes to mind) have purposefully honed in on the wealthiest suburbs of Boston, NYC, Philadelphia, & DC with great success.   When Porky was in high school in the late 80's no one had ever even heard of the place.  Now Elon is one of the more popular schools for students in Porky's New England town to apply to and matriculate to.   But they're hardly the only one.  Many state flagships in the Southeast have also aggressively recruited students from upper middle class families in the Northeast, eager for lucrative out of state tuition revenue.   For whatever reason MU is doubling down on recruiting more and more students from families who they know can't afford to pay virtually anything before they're even identified.  Porky is all for MU taking a leadership role in making higher education more accessible to qualified students from low income families but presumably only so many of those kids qualify for full rides or significant aid.  Porky doesn't really buy MU's altruistic BS on this because how altruistic is it for these students to incur the kind of debt they'll probably need to to attend a place like MU if they aren't getting substantial aid?   Maybe most of them are Porky doesn't really know.  What Porky does know is that MU continues to make itself less and less attractive to students from upper middle class families not only in its wheelhouse of suburban Chicago but also out east, out west, and down south who are turned off by the 80% admit rate, no matter how ridiculous a reason that is not to apply or matriculate somewhere.   And Porky does think it's a stupid reason but the market seems to disagree.  At the end of the day MU simply isn't willing to aggressively recruit outside of WI and IL the way those other institutions are and instead believes that gap can be filled by recruiting more first gen and low income students hyper locally.  Porky doesn't think that's a sound strategy for MU to undertake, but Porky's been proven wrong before and could be again.
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« Reply #223 on: September 10, 2021, 11:48:40 PM »
Porky's guess is those institutions are aggressively recruiting students who reside in zip codes with very attractive financial demographics in different parts of the country than from where they've typically recruited from.  Many schools in the southeast (Elon is one that particularly comes to mind) have purposefully honed in on the wealthiest suburbs of Boston, NYC, Philadelphia, & DC with great success.   When Porky was in high school in the late 80's no one had ever even heard of the place.  Now Elon is one of the more popular schools for students in Porky's New England town to apply to and matriculate to.   But they're hardly the only one.  Many state flagships in the Southeast have also aggressively recruited students from upper middle class families in the Northeast, eager for lucrative out of state tuition revenue.   For whatever reason MU is doubling down on recruiting more and more students from families who they know can't afford to pay virtually anything before they're even identified.  Porky is all for MU taking a leadership role in making higher education more accessible to qualified students from low income families but presumably only so many of those kids qualify for full rides or significant aid.  Porky doesn't really buy MU's altruistic BS on this because how altruistic is it for these students to incur the kind of debt they'll probably need to to attend a place like MU if they aren't getting substantial aid?   Maybe most of them are Porky doesn't really know.  What Porky does know is that MU continues to make itself less and less attractive to students from upper middle class families not only in its wheelhouse of suburban Chicago but also out east, out west, and down south who are turned off by the 80% admit rate, no matter how ridiculous a reason that is not to apply or matriculate somewhere.   And Porky does think it's a stupid reason but the market seems to disagree.  At the end of the day MU simply isn't willing to aggressively recruit outside of WI and IL the way those other institutions are and instead believes that gap can be filled by recruiting more first gen and low income students hyper locally.  Porky doesn't think that's a sound strategy for MU to undertake, but Porky's been proven wrong before and could be again.

Not going to disagree with you. That very well may be the case, but they need to understand balance.

Some of the institutions you are referring to, and some of the ones I'm referring to have used these wealthy full-tuition paying students from specific areas to offset increased recruitment and financial aid for minorities and first-get students. In the end, they increase the average tuition paid per student, and expand demographics to more minorities and first-gens, all the while increasing overall enrollment.

With increasing difficulties in terms of how much you can raise tuition, coupled to increasing costs and competition. Schools need to be a bit more creative and aggressive.

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« Reply #224 on: September 11, 2021, 01:14:07 PM »
Not going to disagree with you. That very well may be the case, but they need to understand balance.

Some of the institutions you are referring to, and some of the ones I'm referring to have used these wealthy full-tuition paying students from specific areas to offset increased recruitment and financial aid for minorities and first-get students. In the end, they increase the average tuition paid per student, and expand demographics to more minorities and first-gens, all the while increasing overall enrollment.

With increasing difficulties in terms of how much you can raise tuition, coupled to increasing costs and competition. Schools need to be a bit more creative and aggressive.

Porky couldn't agree more.   To put it extremely bluntly, MU needs to start recruiting more rich kids to offset the increase in lower income students, and the simple fact is there are more of those students on the coasts than there are in the upper midwest.   Again Porky has no problem with MU taking a leadership role in making higher education, particularly private Jesuit higher education more accessible to first gen/low income students but as you say it needs to be a balance.  A school like MU simply doesn't have the endowment to fund their social agenda completely and they're very quickly pricing themselves out of the student constituency they've historically served so if they're targeting bright low income kids, that's great but that needs to be offset.  For whatever it's worth Porky has been mentoring a dreamer from the class of 2021 who's as smart as they come, and Porky would hire this kid over most.   He definitely needed a little more mentoring navigating the job market, but other than that Porky has no doubt this kid is going to kill it, so MU is doing a good thing, but they need more of the other too.  It's simple math if MU wishes to thrive, as opposed to just survive.

 

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