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Winners and losers of men's college basketball's 2021-22 transfer season
Jeff Borzello
ESPN Staff Writer
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/32033382/winners-losers-men-college-basketball-2021-22-transfer-season

Under losers

Marquette Golden Eagles:
I really like the additions of Maryland transfer Darryl Morsell, the Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year, and George Mason transfer Tyler Kolek, a promising scorer -- but Shaka Smart lost all five starters from last season, including four to the portal. Koby McEwen (Weber State), Theo John (Duke) and Jamal Cain (Oakland) left early in the offseason, but it was the departure of Dawson Garcia to North Carolina in July that was crushing.
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The only thing that is certain is change.

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This kind of turnover is to be expected in the current environment.

Imagine if Garcia and Carton both left and Wojo did not have replacements in the pipeline.

This next season is going to be an adventure.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2021, 03:07:26 PM by tower912 »
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Winners and losers of men's college basketball's 2021-22 transfer season
Jeff Borzello
ESPN Staff Writer
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/32033382/winners-losers-men-college-basketball-2021-22-transfer-season

Under losers

Marquette Golden Eagles:
I really like the additions of Maryland transfer Darryl Morsell, the Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year, and George Mason transfer Tyler Kolek, a promising scorer -- but Shaka Smart lost all five starters from last season, including four to the portal. Koby McEwen (Weber State), Theo John (Duke) and Jamal Cain (Oakland) left early in the offseason, but it was the departure of Dawson Garcia to North Carolina in July that was crushing.





How due wee no Shaka didant encourage sum of deez dudes ta seek greener pastures elsewear, hey?
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Makes you wonder how much attention Borzello paid to us last year
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The only thing that is certain is change.

By the way, here is the number 1 winner.  He too blew out all the starters but reloaded.

Texas Longhorns:
The clear victor from the transfer window, Chris Beard is bringing in six of the top 30 transfers in ESPN's transfer rankings -- including three of the top five. Minnesota's Marcus Carr was arguably the best transfer all spring, while Timmy Allen was a first-team All-Pac-12 selection at Utah and Tre Mitchell was one of the more dominant big men nationally at UMass. Christian Bishop (Creighton) and Dylan Disu (Vanderbilt) were productive high-major players and Devin Askew (Kentucky) was a five-star recruit just 12 months ago.
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Seems like there's really no (or very little) context or analysis by Borzello here. Dawson is a big loss and arguing otherwise is silly. But I'll make the trade of OMax, Ellis, and Joplin (or Itejere) for Cain, John and McEwen all day, every day when you're looking at what's best for the program long-term.

He also didn't mention Kuath.

Edit: Although, are the freshman who were released from their LOIs not officially considered transfers?
« Last Edit: August 17, 2021, 06:32:28 PM by Vander Blue Man Group »

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Lifetime as a head coach, Shaka's teams over a dozen seasons ranked, on average, 35th in KPom Adj. D. If you exclude his first two years as a new head coach at VCU, the average defensive rank is 25.

T-Rank has MU D at 84th via their prognostication tool. I am betting that Shaka and "his guys" will beat that projection by quite a bit. Call me crazy.

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Aside from Garcia, most Scoopers had zero problem with the others transferring. Some said that if Theo or Cain wanted to return, one or both might be useful in a transition year -- just as Elliott will be -- but few mourned their departures.

When Marquette hired Shaka, the assumption by many here was that he'd be able to rebuild extremely quickly because he'd be a pied piper to high-level recruits, and perhaps would even be able to keep Garcia and DJ. And thanks to all that, we'd be rolling right out of the gate.

Instead, it's Shaka's replacement at Texas who has scored big this offseason.

The main defense of Shaka seems to be that we're better off with him than we would have been had Wojo be retained. Well, yeah! That would have been true of pretty much every serious candidate for the job.

Wojo is ancient history and doesn't matter one iota now. The question is if Shaka will be better than his current coaching peers, especially those in the Big East. I am optimistic, and I'll be rooting like hell for it ... but obviously none of us can know yet if he will be.

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Re: Winners and losers of men's college basketball's 2021-22 transfer season
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2021, 06:44:19 PM »
While I can't argue we were on the short end on transfers, I'm all on on Shaka's rebuild.  I'm excited to see where he takes us. MU Rah Rah!

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Re: Winners and losers of men's college basketball's 2021-22 transfer season
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2021, 10:07:59 AM »
DJ Carton has been erased even quicker then most suspected.

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Re: Winners and losers of men's college basketball's 2021-22 transfer season
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2021, 11:01:57 AM »

It all depends on W & Ls.  All will be wonderful in Blue & Gold land with many Ws and few Ls.

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Re: Winners and losers of men's college basketball's 2021-22 transfer season
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2021, 11:17:01 AM »
Somehow we think it is a given we would keep Garcia and lead the transfer pool.

The reality is that what happened with us in the summer is normal. While I was disappointed we did not keep Garcia, I cannot say I am surprised he or DJ left. I was a bit surprised Theo went to Duke but maybe they see something in him we didn't! Just hope he can keep his mind on the game and not on social protesting.

Actually, all things considered, to keep who we did and to get strong transfers, which we did, was impressive. If Shaka can do well next year, I'm not worried.

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Re: Winners and losers of men's college basketball's 2021-22 transfer season
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2021, 11:20:03 AM »
Just hope he can keep his mind on the game and not on social protesting.

Are you suggesting that Theo's on court performance was effected by his participating in peaceful protests?

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Re: Winners and losers of men's college basketball's 2021-22 transfer season
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2021, 11:29:21 AM »
Are you suggesting that Theo's on court performance was effected by his participating in peaceful protests?

He needs to shut up and dribble in Durham, aina?
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Re: Winners and losers of men's college basketball's 2021-22 transfer season
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2021, 11:44:16 AM »
Just hope he can keep his mind on the game and not on social protesting.
Just hope he can keep his body in one piece. His knees looked about done by the end of last season.
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Re: Winners and losers of men's college basketball's 2021-22 transfer season
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2021, 11:56:06 AM »
After a 50 burger in a title clinching game, plus two other 40+ point games in NBA Finals games, imagine what Giannis could do if he wasn't so worried about protesting with the BLM movement.
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Re: Winners and losers of men's college basketball's 2021-22 transfer season
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2021, 01:28:34 PM »
I prefer the totality of our New Roster ,and New Coach, over our old Roster and Old Coach.

It may take 10-12 games or so of watching what the new guys bring to the table in terms of skills and talent, but I'm pretty sure I will be agreeing with you wholeheartedly.

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Re: Winners and losers of men's college basketball's 2021-22 transfer season
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2021, 01:36:34 PM »
DJ Carton has been erased even quicker then most suspected.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here.
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Re: Winners and losers of men's college basketball's 2021-22 transfer season
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2021, 01:52:08 PM »
Somehow we think it is a given we would keep Garcia and lead the transfer pool.

The reality is that what happened with us in the summer is normal. While I was disappointed we did not keep Garcia, I cannot say I am surprised he or DJ left. I was a bit surprised Theo went to Duke but maybe they see something in him we didn't! Just hope he can keep his mind on the game and not on social protesting.

Actually, all things considered, to keep who we did and to get strong transfers, which we did, was impressive. If Shaka can do well next year, I'm not worried.
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Re: Winners and losers of men's college basketball's 2021-22 transfer season
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2021, 02:03:55 PM »
Somehow we think it is a given we would keep Garcia and lead the transfer pool.

The reality is that what happened with us in the summer is normal. While I was disappointed we did not keep Garcia, I cannot say I am surprised he or DJ left. I was a bit surprised Theo went to Duke but maybe they see something in him we didn't! Just hope he can keep his mind on the game and not on social protesting.

Actually, all things considered, to keep who we did and to get strong transfers, which we did, was impressive. If Shaka can do well next year, I'm not worried.

Was this your mindset on Ali and Kareem?

What about Jay Cutler, Cole Beasley and Jon Feliciano?

Just curious
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Re: Winners and losers of men's college basketball's 2021-22 transfer season
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2021, 02:42:13 PM »
Wojo indicated during the season that the seniors would not be returning. Their transfers are not on Shaka.
Losing Garcia and Aidoo really hurts. I do not blame Shaka for either of those losses. players do not have to play for a new coach.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2021, 09:52:37 AM by bilsu »

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Re: Winners and losers of men's college basketball's 2021-22 transfer season
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2021, 02:43:45 PM »
Are you suggesting that Theo's on court performance was effected by his participating in peaceful protests?

I'd say it was in the UConn game - the whole team was affected.
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