Winners and losers of men's college basketball's 2021-22 transfer season

[Goose]

Lens

I do not care one bit what the guys do, stand for or how they behave off the court (within reason). I care about winning basketball games and the other stuff is really not my business. That said, a little more winning always helps win over fans. My Dad was 100% against Goose's stance on Vietnam, yet he liked him as a person and loved him as player. I might not agree with every guys off court decisions, but I am more interested in seeing top notch, winning basketball. So, this Al guy follows, and lives,  the words of Al.

[The Lens]

Lens

I do not care one bit what the guys do, stand for or how they behave off the court (within reason). I care about winning basketball games and the other stuff is really not my business. That said, a little more winning always helps win over fans. My Dad was 100% against Goose's stance on Vietnam, yet he liked him as a person and loved him as player. I might not agree with every guys decisions off court decisions, but I am more interested in seeing top notch, winning basketball. So, this Al guy follows, and lives,  the words of Al.

Amen.  I bet your Dad probably listened to different music than Goose too.  No reason we have to walk hand in hand with athlete's we cheer for.  I'm just always amazed that fans who can post 1000s of opinions on a message board get upset when players voice their own opinions on their social media, etc. 

IMO...Theo wants to wear all black, fine.  Theo goes for crazy blocks vs. sure box outs...now that's an issue.

[Galway Eagle]

Lens

I do not care one bit what the guys do, stand for or how they behave off the court (within reason). I care about winning basketball games and the other stuff is really not my business. That said, a little more winning always helps win over fans. My Dad was 100% against Goose's stance on Vietnam, yet he liked him as a person and loved him as player. I might not agree with every guys off court decisions, but I am more interested in seeing top notch, winning basketball. So, this Al guy follows, and lives,  the words of Al.

Wouldn't following it be more "I'm not in agreement with their take but I could be wrong" than just leaving it at "i don't agree with their take"?

Seems the former is more what Al meant the later is what the world and scoop (not particularly you) are doing.

[Its DJOver]

I'd say it was in the UConn game - the whole team was affected.

Proof of that?

[MUBBau]

In: Shaka

Out: Wojo

Big win

[willie warrior]

proudly displaying your oldness and whiteness I see.  Jesus.

Seems you have issues with oddness and whiteness. Glad you have such an open mind.

[axaguy]

I'm thinking we all might be pleasantly surprised with this team and coaching staff. Hopefully we'll see improvement throughout the year. Better at New Years Day than early November. Then better in March than January.... Improvement as they all learn to play together. Basketball is still a team game and we might wind up with a better TEAM than we've had in a while.
Tournament teams aren't selected on Nov. 15........
Hopeful and watching...

[Its DJOver]

Seems you have issues with oddness and whiteness. Glad you have such an open mind.

Nothing wrong with being odd, in fact, I think it's a requirement to post on the board.

[dgies9156]

proudly displaying your oldness and whiteness I see.  Jesus.

Brother ATL:

If being mature and having the experience of both a strong education and considerable real world experience is a crime, I plead guilty.

I firmly believe the UConn game was lost before tip-off. Our guys' heads were on the Kenosha County DA's decision. They weren't in the game and they weren't prepared to play. That's being neither old or white. It's being observative. We blew a 43-25 lead in the second half and lost by 11. Maturity in a profession means you recognize there is a time and place for everything, including protesting.

Maybe the coaching was poor and didn't refocus the players. Maybe the players didn't want to be coached. Heck, I don't know what went on in the locker room, but the proof is in the result and the result stunk. The public pronouncements that night spoke for themselves.

I will say what I have said many times before in this forum and elsewhere. Athletes have a right as American Citizens protected by the Constitution of the United States of America to peacefully protest and express their views about the issues of the day. If they do it, as Theo did, in the immediate aftermath of the George Floyd murder in a public place on their own time, God love 'em, go for it. Ditto for Jay Cutler,  Kareem Abdul-Jabbar etc. If their fame brings their issues to the forefront and it's done outside the confines of their job, OK, that's fine.

What you do not have Constitutional protection on is using your employer's business and good name to advocate your position. You run the risk of diminishing your employer's goodwill and, ultimately cash flow. Most employers do not permit officers and managers to use the company's name, facilities or trademarks for political or even many charitable causes. It requires careful vetting. Unless, it seems, you are an athlete. When an athlete does otherwise, be it a basketball player, football player or whatever, you run the risk of alienating people and losing support.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I firmly believe the UConn game was lost before tip-off. Our guys' heads were on the Kenosha County DA's decision. They weren't in the game and they weren't prepared to play. That's being neither old or white. It's being observative.

The game was lost before tip-off and we weren't prepared to play? We were winning by 18 in the second half (which you acknowledge). Did the Kenosha County DA's decision not impact them until the they were 25 minutes into the game?

Maturity in a profession means you recognize there is a time and place for everything, including protesting.

Maybe the coaching was poor and didn't refocus the players. Maybe the players didn't want to be coached. Heck, I don't know what went on in the locker room, but the proof is in the result and the result stunk. The public pronouncements that night spoke for themselves.

I will say what I have said many times before in this forum and elsewhere. Athletes have a right as American Citizens protected by the Constitution of the United States of America to peacefully protest and express their views about the issues of the day. If they do it, as Theo did, in the immediate aftermath of the George Floyd murder in a public place on their own time, God love 'em, go for it. Ditto for Jay Cutler,  Kareem Abdul-Jabbar etc. If their fame brings their issues to the forefront and it's done outside the confines of their job, OK, that's fine.

What you do not have Constitutional protection on is using your employer's business and good name to advocate your position. You run the risk of diminishing your employer's goodwill and, ultimately cash flow. Most employers do not permit officers and managers to use the company's name, facilities or trademarks for political or even many charitable causes. It requires careful vetting. Unless, it seems, you are an athlete. When an athlete does otherwise, be it a basketball player, football player or whatever, you run the risk of alienating people and losing support.

The constitution also protects a company's right to protest whenever they hell they want. The UConn game protest was sanctioned by Marquette. These weren't players going rogue, this was a company choosing to honor its Jesuit mission but making a public stand against what they perceived to be an injustice.

Your argument is only valid if Marquette didn't want the players to protest. They supported it 100%.

[wadesworld]

Guess it depends. How do you define “lose” or “lost?”

[MUDPT]

Tyler Polley probably pro-LEO too.

Adding to the Giannis point, JTA probably had his best NBA season last year.

[Hards Alumni]

Brother ATL:

If being mature and having the experience of both a strong education and considerable real world experience is a crime, I plead guilty.

I firmly believe the UConn game was lost before tip-off. Our guys' heads were on the Kenosha County DA's decision. They weren't in the game and they weren't prepared to play. That's being neither old or white. It's being observative. We blew a 43-25 lead in the second half and lost by 11. Maturity in a profession means you recognize there is a time and place for everything, including protesting.

Maybe the coaching was poor and didn't refocus the players. Maybe the players didn't want to be coached. Heck, I don't know what went on in the locker room, but the proof is in the result and the result stunk. The public pronouncements that night spoke for themselves.

I will say what I have said many times before in this forum and elsewhere. Athletes have a right as American Citizens protected by the Constitution of the United States of America to peacefully protest and express their views about the issues of the day. If they do it, as Theo did, in the immediate aftermath of the George Floyd murder in a public place on their own time, God love 'em, go for it. Ditto for Jay Cutler,  Kareem Abdul-Jabbar etc. If their fame brings their issues to the forefront and it's done outside the confines of their job, OK, that's fine.

What you do not have Constitutional protection on is using your employer's business and good name to advocate your position. You run the risk of diminishing your employer's goodwill and, ultimately cash flow. Most employers do not permit officers and managers to use the company's name, facilities or trademarks for political or even many charitable causes. It requires careful vetting. Unless, it seems, you are an athlete. When an athlete does otherwise, be it a basketball player, football player or whatever, you run the risk of alienating people and losing support.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Brother ATL:

If being mature and having the experience of both a strong education and considerable real world experience is a crime, I plead guilty.

I firmly believe the UConn game was lost before tip-off. Our guys' heads were on the Kenosha County DA's decision. They weren't in the game and they weren't prepared to play. That's being neither old or white. It's being observative. We blew a 43-25 lead in the second half and lost by 11. Maturity in a profession means you recognize there is a time and place for everything, including protesting.

Maybe the coaching was poor and didn't refocus the players. Maybe the players didn't want to be coached. Heck, I don't know what went on in the locker room, but the proof is in the result and the result stunk. The public pronouncements that night spoke for themselves.

I will say what I have said many times before in this forum and elsewhere. Athletes have a right as American Citizens protected by the Constitution of the United States of America to peacefully protest and express their views about the issues of the day. If they do it, as Theo did, in the immediate aftermath of the George Floyd murder in a public place on their own time, God love 'em, go for it. Ditto for Jay Cutler,  Kareem Abdul-Jabbar etc. If their fame brings their issues to the forefront and it's done outside the confines of their job, OK, that's fine.

What you do not have Constitutional protection on is using your employer's business and good name to advocate your position. You run the risk of diminishing your employer's goodwill and, ultimately cash flow. Most employers do not permit officers and managers to use the company's name, facilities or trademarks for political or even many charitable causes. It requires careful vetting. Unless, it seems, you are an athlete. When an athlete does otherwise, be it a basketball player, football player or whatever, you run the risk of alienating people and losing support.

The first part of this is just completely nonsensical. The game we were winning by nearly 20 points was lost before it started?  Ok

[MU82]

I firmly believe the UConn game was lost before tip-off. Our guys' heads were on the Kenosha County DA's decision. They weren't in the game and they weren't prepared to play. That's being neither old or white. It's being observative. We blew a 43-25 lead

So wait ... you're claiming the game was lost before tip-off ... and our guys' heads were so messed up that they took an 18-point lead in what might have been the best 25 minutes of basketball the team played all season? What?

I don't know what went on in the locker room, but the proof is in the result

Marquette went into the locker room with a 31-23 halftime lead and promptly built it up to 43-25. So yes, it certainly looks like whatever happened in the locker room messed our guys up ... because they only outscored UConn 12-2 after coming out of the locker room.

If this is the case you're presenting for how the protests cost Marquette the game, it's probably the worst case ever laid out.

[bilsu]

The game plan was working beautifully. Wojo wanted to stop their star and it was working. McEwen landed on their stars wrist and took him out of the game when we were up 16. I thought the game was over. Apparently, the players did too. I think we would of won the game, if the star did not get hurt.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The game plan was working beautifully. Wojo wanted to stop their star and it was working. McEwen landed on their stars wrist and took him out of the game when we were up 16. I thought the game was over. Apparently, the players did too. I think we would of won the game, if the star did not get hurt.

I think this was part of it. The other thing I recall is that one of their bigs got into foul trouble, forcing Hurley to put Tyler Polley in....who promptly set fire to the Fiserv. I think there were two things that should have helped Marquette (UConn's injured star and foul trouble) that inadvertently helped UConn. No excuse for losing that game.

[MU82]

The game plan was working beautifully. Wojo wanted to stop their star and it was working. McEwen landed on their stars wrist and took him out of the game when we were up 16. I thought the game was over. Apparently, the players did too. I think we would of won the game, if the star did not get hurt.

No way. What happened is that during the first TV timeout of the second half, with us up 18, Theo said: "How 'bout that Kenosha County D.A.'s decision? I know we're playing great, but it's time to stop thinking about basketball entirely and think about that bad decision."

[cheebs09]

So wait ... you're claiming the game was lost before tip-off ... and our guys' heads were so messed up that they took an 18-point lead in what might have been the best 25 minutes of basketball the team played all season? What?

Marquette went into the locker room with a 31-23 halftime lead and promptly built it up to 43-25. So yes, it certainly looks like whatever happened in the locker room messed our guys up ... because they only outscored UConn 12-2 after coming out of the locker room.

If this is the case you're presenting for how the protests cost Marquette the game, it's probably the worst case ever laid out.

We should have known something was wrong when we actually came out of halftime strong.

[Uncle Rico]

Bad off seasons?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/32056189/ncaa-penalizes-texas-men-basketball-coach-buzz-williams-violations%3fplatform=amp

Look for Buzz to quit on A&M soon

[Galway Eagle]

Bad off seasons?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/32056189/ncaa-penalizes-texas-men-basketball-coach-buzz-williams-violations%3fplatform=amp

Look for Buzz to quit on A&M soon

Hahaha I can see his interviews now "you know I did an analysis and no school from the SEC is going to make a final four let alone win a championship"

[MU82]

Bad off seasons?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/32056189/ncaa-penalizes-texas-men-basketball-coach-buzz-williams-violations%3fplatform=amp

Look for Buzz to quit on A&M soon

It's difficult to take over a struggling program and quickly make it an NCAA tourney team. It took Buzz 3 years at VaTech ... and after 2 seasons at TAMU he has nothing to show for it except a .500 record, probation and suspension.

And most (not all but most) of us think Buzz is a pretty darn good coach.

I'm hopeful that Shaka can get it done sooner at Marquette, but I'm also realistic.

[PointWarrior]

Thanks - we are all now dumber now for have read this.

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Brother ATL:

If being mature and having the experience of both a strong education and considerable real world experience is a crime, I plead guilty.

I firmly believe the UConn game was lost before tip-off. Our guys' heads were on the Kenosha County DA's decision. They weren't in the game and they weren't prepared to play. That's being neither old or white. It's being observative. We blew a 43-25 lead in the second half and lost by 11. Maturity in a profession means you recognize there is a time and place for everything, including protesting.

Maybe the coaching was poor and didn't refocus the players. Maybe the players didn't want to be coached. Heck, I don't know what went on in the locker room, but the proof is in the result and the result stunk. The public pronouncements that night spoke for themselves.

I will say what I have said many times before in this forum and elsewhere. Athletes have a right as American Citizens protected by the Constitution of the United States of America to peacefully protest and express their views about the issues of the day. If they do it, as Theo did, in the immediate aftermath of the George Floyd murder in a public place on their own time, God love 'em, go for it. Ditto for Jay Cutler,  Kareem Abdul-Jabbar etc. If their fame brings their issues to the forefront and it's done outside the confines of their job, OK, that's fine.

What you do not have Constitutional protection on is using your employer's business and good name to advocate your position. You run the risk of diminishing your employer's goodwill and, ultimately cash flow. Most employers do not permit officers and managers to use the company's name, facilities or trademarks for political or even many charitable causes. It requires careful vetting. Unless, it seems, you are an athlete. When an athlete does otherwise, be it a basketball player, football player or whatever, you run the risk of alienating people and losing support.
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