Hurray A good loss!!!

[NateDoggMarq]

Is this what Marquette fans have been reduced too?????
Jumping with joy after a loss to our rival???????

I gurantee that none of you had Marquette being a team duking it out for a 7-12 seed in the tourney as the season began?

Somehow Crean remains untouchable even since it has been 5 years since winning a tournament game.

LSU's coach who has done a much better job than Crean (Sweet 16 and Final 4 appereance) somehow got fired so why cant Crean?

[mviale]

wanted the win too, but prefer not to dwell on the negatives

[NateDoggMarq]

Beating Bucky (Wont matter though because they are on track for a 2 seed in a Bracket consisting of a 15 seed CSU Northridge, a 7 seeded St. Marys and a 10 seed Rhode Island)

Lazar Hayward gives me hope for next season?  O wait at that the way Crean's players regress I should hold out hope for this year as a 10 seed against a 7 seeded St. marys or some other Mid-Major Bracket!!

[mviale]

cant wait to see you back on the band wagon.

Here is to a win against SH. 

[NavinRJohnson]

Hmmm...LSU is 25-28 over the past 2 seasons. You're right, he has done a much better job. Perhaps we should fire Crean and hire Brady. Would that put an end to your irrational whiney BS?

[NateDoggMarq]

If we get the players that he got???

I will take it!!!

[IAmMarquette]

If we get the players that he got???

I will take it!!!

If Brady's players are so much better than Crean's, why did those players go 23-25 since making the Final Four 2 years ago.

You're an idiot.

Mods, I apologize for the name-calling.

[mu_hilltopper]

Nate's on a 24 hour vacation now.  Enjoy.

[Pardner]

Is this what Marquette fans have been reduced too?????
Jumping with joy after a loss to our rival???????

I guarantee that none of you had Marquette being a team duking it out for a 7-12 seed in the tourney as the season began?

Somehow Crean remains untouchable even since it has been 5 years since winning a tournament game.

LSU's coach who has done a much better job than Crean (Sweet 16 and Final 4 appearance) somehow got fired so why cant Crean?

I don't think anyone considers this a "good loss"...is there such a thing for a team like MU?  People said is was a "good effort", on the road in BE, against the 2nd place team with the probable BE POY, at the hardest place to play in the country, after we have been playing like UWM for a stretch.  It was a great college game and MU got out of its funk.

Preseason, this board picked MU to be 23-7 with many feeling we'd have 1-3 more losses.  So, yes, we did think this is where we'd be.

TC has the third winning % in MU's history (not counting our first season coach at 8-3 with the peach baskets).  He graduates his players who are willing to commit and work hard for him and at school.  Recruits cleanly and honestly.  Gets us to the post-season.  And has rebuilt the MU tradition and community.  He keeps us in the news and in the rankings.  Success breeds criticism.  I am an armchair point guard on TC as much as anyone, but you cannot suggest Brady is a good choice.  Stable programs build long-term success.  MU is willing to grow with TC.  And, yes, he does have things to work on.  

TC has continued to recruit fairly successfully, while Brady has had a drop-off in talent and an increase in troubles.  The way signings are today (2-3 years out), you have to look at the recruiting pipeline a couple of years after a good run (Wainwright signed an 8th grader).  TC has a pipeline, Brady doesn't.  Oh, and LSU is a football school so don't mess up on the other sports or you are gone.  Brady messed it up.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Nate's on a 24 hour vacation now.  Enjoy.

That's all?  Only 24 hours?  Can you give him a "Harrison?"

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

TC has the third winning % in MU's history (not counting our first season coach at 8-3 with the peach baskets).  

I'm sure I could easily look this up (but why when I've got a message board to ask hundreds of people) ... but who was the 2nd?

[spiral97]

Yes.. it IS easy to look up.. just go to the MUScoop wiki..
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/coaches

why go look yourself?  because you CAN..

anyhow.. ignoring Risch as you say.. #1 is Al at 295-80 (78.7%) and #2 is Hank  at 126-50 (71.6%).  TC is listed at 165-86 (65.7%) although I am not sure whether that includes games for this season or not.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Thanks for the link, spiral, good stuff.

I'm sure I'll get some fun responses for noticing this ... but Mike Deane's winning percentage was only 1.2% less than Crean's? Wow.

[mu_hilltopper]

Unless you remove cupcake games from winning percentage, and normalize for the strength of competition .. comparing that stat is meaningless.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Unless you remove cupcake games from winning percentage, and normalize for the strength of competition .. comparing that stat is meaningless.

And maybe the weather affected things too.

There are a million variables that affect winning percentage, but no, comparing winning percentages is not meaningless.

[🏀]

Unless you remove cupcake games from winning percentage, and normalize for the strength of competition .. comparing that stat is meaningless.

And maybe the weather affected things too.

There are a million variables that affect winning percentage, but no, comparing winning percentages is not meaningless.

I agree, winning percentages are great for comparing teams.

GTown= 85%
ND= 77%
IUPUI= 74%
UNLV= 72%
UCONN= 72%
Oral Roberts = 71%

I would agree that IUPUI, UNLV, and Oral Roberts would all be going for the Top 5 spots in the Big East.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Thanks for the link, spiral, good stuff.

I'm sure I'll get some fun responses for noticing this ... but Mike Deane's winning percentage was only 1.2% less than Crean's? Wow.

Looking at the RPI's the last 12+ years, Crean has had to play MUCH harder competition each given year then Deane did.  It obviously only examines year by year and is impossible to compare years, but when you look at the given SOS of each year, Crean has had to consistently coach against high SOS opponents than Deane did....according to the RPI data.

[Frozen Caveman Coach]

TC has the third winning % in MU's history (not counting our first season coach at 8-3 with the peach baskets).  He graduates his players who are willing to commit and work hard for him and at school.  Recruits cleanly and honestly.  Gets us to the post-season.

If winning % is meaningless, then what was the original point?  Deane did all the above and was fired.  Crean has no doubt been an upgrade, but probably not the night and day difference so many make him out to be.  The attitude difference between the two is probably the big difference as Deane apparently didn't think the program could compete for a NCAA bid year in and year out.  Crean is no doubt the better salesman, too.

[augoman]

valid points, Chico's, but argument could be made that the University's attention to the program (as displayed in total operating budget) has increased geometrically, and that, given the tools he had, Deane did as good a job.

[🏀]

valid points, Chico's, but argument could be made that the University's attention to the program (as displayed in total operating budget) has increased geometrically, and that, given the tools he had, Deane did as good a job.

It could very well be stated that Marquette decided not to invest in Deane's crew. However, decided to recommit themselves to basketball, starting with Deane's departure and Crean's arrival.

[Pardner]

I don't think anyone would debate that Deane could game coach.  But he won with KO's recruits.  Look at his last year and TC's first two (with Deane's recruits as no one transferred).  Excluding the first two years, TC would be at a 70.7% (including this year too).  Selective yes, but more of an indicator of TC's program performance--and which is not something to shake a stick at.  Besides Al, MU has had legendary and HOF coaches.  Not a bad record, is the point.