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Started by NYWarrior, June 30, 2021, 08:24:01 AM

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Hards Alumni

Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 01, 2021, 03:31:32 PM
I despise socialism. And I don't like the idea of sharing someone's revenue but the post was pointing out that MLB doesn't have a cap like other sports,  it has a tax that redistributes money. 

The point is that pro sports has a system(s) in place to help balance competition.  This is a good idea for the sport as a whole.


Newsdreams

Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 01, 2021, 03:31:32 PM
I despise socialism. And I don't like the idea of sharing someone's revenue but the post was pointing out that MLB doesn't have a cap like other sports,  it has a tax that redistributes money. 

The point is that pro sports has a system(s) in place to help balance competition.  This is a good idea for the sport as a whole.
Socialism 101 LOL
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Pakuni

Quote from: Newsdreams on July 01, 2021, 04:14:06 PM
Socialism 101 LOL

Americans love socialism right up to the point you call it socialism.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 01, 2021, 03:31:32 PM
I despise socialism. And I don't like the idea of sharing someone's revenue but the post was pointing out that MLB doesn't have a cap like other sports,  it has a tax that redistributes money. 

The point is that pro sports has a system(s) in place to help balance competition.  This is a good idea for the sport as a whole.


OK, but college sports has never been about "balancing competition."  Schools get all sorts of different levels of revenue based on conference affiliation, etc.

But now that the student-athletes are getting in on the gravy-train it all of the sudden becomes a problem.
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WhiteTrash

Quote from: Newsdreams on July 01, 2021, 04:14:06 PM
Socialism 101 LOL
It's very far from socialism. Pro sports  operate in leagues. The biggest goal is to maximize profits. If the Bucks or Green Bay or the Royals can't compete the the whole business model fails. Even the players recognized this and supported caps or taxes.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

The NCAA does have salary caps. They can only pay players the cost of admission.

Pro leagues do not have caps on NIL opportunities.

Trying to compare salaries to endorsements is apples to platypuses
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brewcity77

Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 01, 2021, 03:31:32 PM
I despise socialism. And I don't like the idea of sharing someone's revenue but the post was pointing out that MLB doesn't have a cap like other sports,  it has a tax that redistributes money. 

The point is that pro sports has a system(s) in place to help balance competition.  This is a good idea for the sport as a whole.

This basically reads as: "I despise socialism, socialism is a good idea."
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Newsdreams

#133
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 01, 2021, 07:06:50 PM
It's very far from socialism. Pro sports  operate in leagues. The biggest goal is to maximize profits. If the Bucks or Green Bay or the Royals can't compete the the whole business model fails. Even the players recognized this and supported caps or taxes.
That is the definition of Socialism. Maybe you're confusing it with communism? By the way lots of European democratic countries are socialist
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Pakuni

Quote from: JWags85 on July 01, 2021, 10:26:07 AM
Disagree here.  Bo Nix already signed a deal today with a large sweet tea brand.

And now Bama fans are swearing off Milo's Sweet Tea en masse.
Now that's what I call an unintended consequence of NIL.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 01, 2021, 07:24:18 PM
The NCAA does have salary caps. They can only pay players the cost of admission.

Pro leagues do not have caps on NIL opportunities.

Trying to compare salaries to endorsements is apples to platypuses
Trying to compare the NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL to socialism is apples to platypuses.

Newsdreams

Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 01, 2021, 09:06:00 PM
Trying to compare the NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL to socialism is apples to platypuses.
You have no idea what socialism is. Maybe you use the definition of one of the insane networks?
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TallTitan34

#137
Curious. Could someone making a large amount of money from an endorsement pay his own pay and not use a scholarship?

Hypothetical:  Marquette knocks $40k off Culver's sponsorship fee and tells them to tack in on to John Doe's endorsement deal so he can pay his own pay.

Is there anything prohibiting this?

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Newsdreams on July 01, 2021, 09:22:51 PM
You have no idea what socialism is. Maybe you use the definition of one of the insane networks?
Haahaa!! Pro leagues are legal trusts. They far from democratic capitalism much less socialism. Any other businesses like them in the US would be broken up by the government.

I don't know what an insane network is other than CNN and Fox. I don't watch those.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 01, 2021, 09:06:00 PM
Trying to compare the NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL to socialism is apples to platypuses.

I'm not a part of that conversation. I'm talking about you equating salaries to endorsements.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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Newsdreams

Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 01, 2021, 10:16:53 PM
Haahaa!! Pro leagues are legal trusts. They far from democratic capitalism much less socialism. Any other businesses like them in the US would be broken up by the government.

I don't know what an insane network is other than CNN and Fox. I don't watch those.
Wow ignorance on what socialism is. Has nothing to do with legal trusts. Once you distribute earnings or wealth to create a level playing field, that is the definition of socialism. If you have a pension that is a form of socialism.
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Newsdreams

Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 01, 2021, 09:06:00 PM
Trying to compare the NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL to socialism is apples to platypuses.
Do you think China, Cuba, Venezuela and Russia are socialist? They say they are, but they are not.
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WhiteTrash

Quote from: Newsdreams on July 01, 2021, 09:22:51 PM
You have no idea what socialism is. Maybe you use the definition of one of the insane networks?
Socialism: Noun:
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

How in the wide world does pro sports apply to this. Most teams get tax cuts and stadiums paid for by cities or states. The teams are privately owned, so what the heck are you talking about?

You have no idea what socialism is.

Some people on this board are unbelievable.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Newsdreams on July 01, 2021, 10:30:57 PM
Do you think China, Cuba, Venezuela and Russia are socialist? They say they are, but they are not.
They are all proud communist countries. Not sure what that has to do with the billion dollar pro sports business that does not share $1 with you.

You're a strange person. I'm happy you're a MU fan but this crazy conversation is over from my side.

Newsdreams

Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 01, 2021, 10:42:08 PM
They are all proud communist countries. Not sure what that has to do with the billion dollar pro sports business that does not share $1 with you.

You're a strange person. I'm happy you're a MU fan but this crazy conversation is over from my side.
No I'm a 60 year old MU alumni who keeps reading and educating himself beyond the great engineering education I got at MU. No, they're not all communist countries. China is the perfect totalitarian capitalist country. Russia is the perfect totalitarian mafia state that launders money thorough your dear leader that I confronted in early 90's and if all goes according to what should happen will get exposed this year. Venezuela was dominated by corrupt governments, Chavez tried a coup when he was a general for the right bc the president was too much to the left. While in prison he realized a coup on a left agenda would work. When he was released from prison he went for it, the military was loyal to him and he succeeded, bc he was paranoid he had a stupid uneducated Maduro as his successor (not the Chavez was any good). Cuba was dominated by US mafia and people eventually got upset and joined the revolution. Funny thing when Castro took over in Cuba, he reached first to US Government, when US turned him down he went for Russia.
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WhiteTrash

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 01, 2021, 10:23:09 PM
I'm not a part of that conversation. I'm talking about you equating salaries to endorsements.
My bad. First, I'm not opposed to NIL compensation, but pro sports have drafts and more equal revenue sharing. These make it easier for a level playing field that is good for the entire sport's league. Yes, teams are individual companies but they rely on the other teams so revenue equality is accepted by high revenue teams and the players because it is good for the whole sport.

If the Packers shut down and not show up for 16 games a year, who gets hurt?

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 01, 2021, 11:18:47 PM
My bad. First, I'm not opposed to NIL compensation, but pro sports have drafts and more equal revenue sharing. These make it easier for a level playing field that is good for the entire sport's league. Yes, teams are individual companies but they rely on the other teams so revenue equality is accepted by high revenue teams and the players because it is good for the whole sport.

If the Packers shut down and not show up for 16 games a year, who gets hurt?

So in the interest of a "level playing field", the Power 6 conference should spread out their TV money amongst all the conferences, correct?

You say you're not against NIL compensation but for at least the last year on this site, you've posted nothing but negatives about it. I think you recently went so far as to say that college football and basketball being separated from universities was "right around the corner". When is right around the corner btw?
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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Hards Alumni

Quote from: Newsdreams on July 01, 2021, 11:11:28 PM
No I'm a 60 year old MU alumni who keeps reading and educating himself beyond the great engineering education I got at MU. No, they're not all communist countries. China is the perfect totalitarian capitalist country. Russia is the perfect totalitarian mafia state that launders money thorough your dear leader that I confronted in early 90's and if all goes according to what should happen will get exposed this year. Venezuela was dominated by corrupt governments, Chavez tried a coup when he was a general for the right bc the president was too much to the left. While in prison he realized a coup on a left agenda would work. When he was released from prison he went for it, the military was loyal to him and he succeeded, bc he was paranoid he had a stupid uneducated Maduro as his successor (not the Chavez was any good). Cuba was dominated by US mafia and people eventually got upset and joined the revolution. Funny thing when Castro took over in Cuba, he reached first to US Government, when US turned him down he went for Russia.

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lawdog77

For those who may know, or are good at Googling, how will the NIL regs affect foreign players student visas? Seeing the OMP is playing in the FIBA u-19 tomorrow, this thought popped up.

Also, does anyone have a link to watch these games? Curious to see how he plays. Also want to see Holmgren, the French kid Wembanyana, JUan Nunez from Spain (who has already played some time for Real Madrid), and Nikola Jovic (as opposed to Nikola Jokic)

CountryRoads

I see on Instagram that morsell is selling game worn items from Maryland. Is that legal under this agreement? I thought the Maryland branding on the items would make that a no go.