Supreme Court rules that NCAA cannot bar athletes from being paid

[Scoop Snoop]

9-0 decision. How will this affect Marquette and the Big East vs. major conferences primarily consisting of state schools? Thoughts?

[jesmu84]

https://twitter.com/smartfootball/status/1406986365405909001?s=19

[The Lens]

Money is just going to be moved around.  Universities have been maxing out their expenses to match their revenues.  The O Line coach at LSU makes 900K.  Facilities have gone through the roof.  Now some of that money will go to the kids. 

Kids might now be working out in 15 year old facilities with some not as well paid coaches and then they'll hit Wintrust in the Union and cash some checks.

[Galway Eagle]

Money is just going to be moved around.  Universities have been maxing out their expenses to match their revenues.  The O Line coach at LSU makes 900K.  Facilities have gone through the roof.  Now some of that money will go to the kids. 

Kids might now be working out in 15 year old facilities with some not as well paid coaches and then they'll hit Wintrust in the Union and cash some checks.

This or there'll be more team sponsors like Michigan State just did.

[NCMUFan]

A new professional minor league?

[Pakuni]

Money is just going to be moved around.  Universities have been maxing out their expenses to match their revenues.  The O Line coach at LSU makes 900K.  Facilities have gone through the roof.  Now some of that money will go to the kids. 

Kids might now be working out in 15 year old facilities with some not as well paid coaches and then they'll hit Wintrust in the Union and cash some checks.

So, you're saying the money to compensate athletes has been there all along, and athletic departments won't all collapse?
Huh. The NCAA and its apologists have been spinning a very different story for years.

[Pakuni]

A new professional minor league?

It's not new and it's always been professional for virtually everyone involved except for the players.

[Billy Hoyle]

no, they didn't. They said colleges can't cap the amount of educational expenses, so now laptops, musical instruments (how often does that come up?) and other things that currently come out of the Student Athlete Opportunity Fund can now be part of the scholarship and not limited.

[Pakuni]

no, they didn't. They said colleges can't cap the amount of educational expenses, so now laptops, musical instruments (how often does that come up?) and other things that currently come out of the Student Athlete Opportunity Fund can now be part of the scholarship and not limited.

You're missing the forest through the trees.
While that's the upshot of this ruling, it's because that is the limited issue on which the court was asked to rule.
But if you read the decision and the concurrence, the writing is on the wall for the NCAA. The court is telling them that a) athletes are employees and b) the NCAA is subject to antitrust regulations like any other business. If and when a case arrives challenging the NCAA's ban on other forms of compensation, the court has dropped a pretty huge hint on where it's going to come down.

[Uncle Rico]

You're missing the forest through the trees.
While that's the upshot of this ruling, it's because that is the limited issue on which the court was asked to rule.
But if you read the decision and the concurrence, the writing is on the wall for the NCAA. The court is telling them that a) athletes are employees and b) the NCAA is subject to antitrust regulations like any other business. If and when a case arrives challenging the NCAA's ban on other forms of compensation, the court has dropped a pretty huge hint on where it's going to come down.

The NCAA got the equivalent of Ohio State 59 Wisconsin 0

[NCMUFan]

Negotiate salaries?  How about walk-ons?  Non profit sport athletes seem to put in the same effort and bring prestige to the University.  Hopefully they are included.

[Marquette Fan in WI]

Does this apply to Hs athletes?

[LAZER]

Does this apply to Hs athletes?

I would imagine if HS athletes don't have to worry about maintaining amateur status, this would apply to them.

[Boozemon Barro]

Negotiate salaries?  How about walk-ons?  Non profit sport athletes seem to put in the same effort and bring prestige to the University.  Hopefully they are included.

The NCAA shouldn't be able to cap what they make. Doesn't mean anyone will want to pay those athletes anything.

[Pakuni]

Negotiate salaries?  How about walk-ons?  Non profit sport athletes seem to put in the same effort and bring prestige to the University.  Hopefully they are included.

They're not excluded, but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find many schools interested in providing additional compensation to the hardworking members of the cross country and bowling teams (regardless of how much prestige a winning cross country season may bring).

[Skip Intro]

Does this apply to Hs athletes?

From the parts of the decision that I've read, I think the argument boils down to profitability.  Most major schools (and the NCAA in general) make a pretty hefty profit off of their football and basketball athletes.  To the courts, those athletes should be seen as employees, and even factoring in things like scholarships, room & board, etc., they're being paid well below market rate.  You could say that basketball players have a choice if they don't like it (particularly now with the G-League, etc.), but football doesn't really provide that option. 

At the high school level, if a school district is making a significant profit off of sports teams (and, thus, the athletes on those teams), I think the same argument would apply.  That certainly happens in some rare instances, but more often than not, high school sports aren't going to be profitable for the district.  The same could be said for just about every other college sport outside of football and basketball. 

[Nukem2]

Pay them salaries and then charge for tuition, room & board, academic assistance, travel and incidentals.

[Uncle Rico]

Pay them salaries and then charge for tuition, room & board, academic assistance, travel and incidentals.

Major universities made their own beds years ago when they decided to make athletics a part of their institutions.  They didn’t do it to expand educational opportunities.  They did it for prestige and money.  It’s never been about education and never will be.  That became the crutch because at one time America had this weird obsession with amateurism and it became part of the culture.  Times change and people caught on.  Adapt or slowly fade away

[Boozemon Barro]

Pay them salaries and then charge for tuition, room & board, academic assistance, travel and incidentals.

That'd be a bad strategy for Marquette. We should pay the good basketball players as much as we're able to.

[The Lens]

Pay them salaries and then charge for tuition, room & board, academic assistance, travel and incidentals.

Ummm Larry Williams, please report to either Messrs Topper or Mr. Rocky to turn in your Scoop ID, Key Card & Walking Boot.  While you may just be day drinking (ENCOURAGED), you've certainly had your fill and need to leave.  Also, you have violated the terms of the agreement, no refund for dues already paid. 

[WhiteTrash]

You're missing the forest through the trees.
While that's the upshot of this ruling, it's because that is the limited issue on which the court was asked to rule.
But if you read the decision and the concurrence, the writing is on the wall for the NCAA. The court is telling them that a) athletes are employees and b) the NCAA is subject to antitrust regulations like any other business. If and when a case arrives challenging the NCAA's ban on other forms of compensation, the court has dropped a pretty huge hint on where it's going to come down.

And next comes the IRS...

The separation of football and basketball teams from the schools is right around the corner.

Michigan State is ahead of the curve due to the $.5 billion they have to pay out.

[MU82]

America had this weird obsession with amateurism and it became part of the culture.  Times change and people caught on.  Adapt or slowly fade away

This is exactly what happened with the Olympics. They spent decades making believe they were all about amateurism and finally had to face reality.

It hasn't "ruined" the Olympics at all. And it wouldn't "ruin" college sports.

It will change college sports, though, absolutely. As did letting Black athletes compete, as did giving women some semblance of equality(ish), as did letting freshmen be eligible immediately, etc.

[Galway Eagle]

So a couple questions. A team like North Dakota has an extremely profitable Hockey team, do they get to pay their athletes but Northern Michigan doesn't?

Following that question, if a high school program has a once in a generation talent that makes them extremely profitable (Lebronlike), do they pay each player on the team or just that once in a generation talent?

[Pakuni]

And next comes the IRS...

The separation of football and basketball teams from the schools is right around the corner.

Michigan State is ahead of the curve due to the $.5 billion they have to pay out.

The slippery slope fallacies have arrived in the chat.

[WhiteTrash]

The slippery slope fallacies have arrived in the chat.

What fallacy did I state?