What's the word on Garcia?

[Aughnanure]

I think this is a common problem for long time Milwaukee residents, they lose (if they ever had) sight of all there is to see and do.  This isn't a knock on anyone, I think it's natural... but it's good to sometimes play tourist in your own city sometimes.  Milwaukee is a perfect type of town for a small get away.  You can come for a sporting event, festival, live show of some sort (concert, off broadway show, comedian, etc), or whatever it is you're into and then make a whole weekend or week out of it.  Breweries, renting a boat or kayak on the river, museums, the restaurant scene that punches WAY above the city size, architecture tours, public market, art scene, proximity to numerous PGA quality golf courses, etc etc.


Er, and to stay on topic: This is part of why DG should stay at MU.     

Not disagreeing with any of this. But "off Broadway" is not what you think it means. There is no such thing as off Broadway that is not in New York City.

[shoothoops]

Dawson Garcia official list:

Marquette
UNC
Illinois
Arizona
Pro

https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1411694236504821760?s=21

[NCMUFan]

Interesting, no Minnesota.
Anyone been to Champaign-Urbana?
Is it much of a town?

[Herman Cain]

Interesting, no Minnesota.
Anyone been to Champaign-Urbana?
Is it much of a town?

Champaign-Urbana not much of a town

Best scenario for MU is that Dawson goes Pro

[MUEng92]

Dawson Garcia official list:

Marquette
UNC
Illinois
Arizona
Pro

https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1411694236504821760?s=21

That's the most definite "not Marquette" I've read without saying "not Marquette".  Moving on...

[BCHoopster]

Champaign-Urbana not much of a town

Best scenario for MU is that Dawson goes Pro

I have been to most of the Big Ten schools except PennSt and MD. Illinois is in the middle of nowhere, and was not impressed with any of there facilities. Last place I would go.

[Marquetteauburn]

Dawson Garcia official list:

Marquette
UNC
Illinois
Arizona
Pro

https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1411694236504821760?s=21

I liked these replies to that tweet.

[MU82]

Interesting, no Minnesota.
Anyone been to Champaign-Urbana?
Is it much of a town?

Spent a lot of time there in the "aughts." Depending on the way the wind blows, it often literally stinks. Very little there that anybody would care to see. Almost no culture. Very flat. Great restaurants as long as one considers Applebee's great.

U of I does have several majors that are well-regarded, and its basketball program has been anywhere from decent to outstanding for much of the last 40 years.

I'll be pretty impressed with Underwood's recruiting prowess if he ends up with Garcia.

[Lennys Tap]

Good school in the armpit of the Midwest.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Shaka is solid at developing bigs and has a few bigs in the NBA currently is my understanding is that correct

[Nukem2]

Shaka is solid at developing bigs and has a few bigs in the NBA currently is my understanding is that correct

Sure, but I suspect Dawson sees himself as more of a perimeter guy?

[We R Final Four]

Boys.....DG would certainly not choose U of I because it's a fun town or has great restaurants. Cmon.
He's maybe spending 6-9 months in these potential landing spots(if at all). I don't think he is checking real estate trends in Champaign.

[Herman Cain]

Dawson Garcia listed 100th in ESPN best available. First time I have seen him any list like this

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/ovr/page/4

[MU82]

Boys.....DG would certainly not choose U of I because it's a fun town or has great restaurants. Cmon.
He's maybe spending 6-9 months in these potential landing spots(if at all). I don't think he is checking real estate trends in Champaign.

FWIW, I totally agree. Somebody asked about Champaign, and I answered. I certainly did not mean to imply that just because Champaign is a dump, it would stop Garcia from going there. They've landed a lot of very good players over the years, and produced many first-round draft picks.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Myles Turner, Jarrett Allen, Mo Bamba, Jaxson Hayes Are All Bigs who played for Shaka at Texas and All presently play in the NBA .

[forgetful]

Good school in the armpit of the Midwest.

Hey, that's an insult to armpit's everywhere.

But they do have legal recreational drugs, so maybe there is one positive about Illinois.

[dad's couch]

Turner didn't play for Shaka. Bamba was a top 3 recruit. Allen a consensus top 15 recruit. So really can't give too much credit for their development. Hayes on the other hand was ranked in the 90s.

[Pakuni]

Turner didn't play for Shaka. Bamba was a top 3 recruit. Allen a consensus top 15 recruit. So really can't give too much credit for their development. Hayes on the other hand was ranked in the 90s.

You could throw in Kai Jones.

[MU82]

Turner didn't play for Shaka. Bamba was a top 3 recruit. Allen a consensus top 15 recruit. So really can't give too much credit for their development. Hayes on the other hand was ranked in the 90s.

How many highly ranked players don't pan out? Plenty. JJJ was top 30. Quinerly couldn't hack it at Nova. Grimes was disappointing at KU. Etc etc etc.

Even top talent needs to be "developed."

[brewcity77]

You could throw in Kai Jones.

Greg Brown and Jericho Sims are likely to join the list too.

[Skip Intro]

Greg Brown and Jericho Sims are likely to join the list too.

Definitely.  As has been said before, if Dawson were choosing a school based solely on the coach's track record with big/big-adjacent players being drafted, it'd be MU. 

However, I suspect that this is more of a business decision than a basketball one.  There's hype surrounding any big-time transfer, and that hype will carry through the relatively-short NCAA season so long as they play decently.  Outside of pulling off an AA season, he wouldn't get that attention if he stayed at MU.  But if he goes to UNC or Arizona and averages 13 pts and 7 rebounds, he's talked about in the national media.

[We R Final Four]

But does the national media have a significant impact on his draft status? I think the NBA scouts know exactly who DG is. I don't think changing his collegiate destination will have much bearing on that.
SA has put a lot of bigs in the league and is a defensive coach—which DG needs from the accounts that I have read. I hope he returns....although admittedly that is seeming less likely.

[Skip Intro]

But does the national media have a significant impact on his draft status? I think the NBA scouts know exactly who DG is. I don't think changing his collegiate destination will have much bearing on that.
SA has put a lot of bigs in the league and is a defensive coach—which DG needs from the accounts that I have read. I hope he returns....although admittedly that is seeming less likely.

Maybe not a significant impact, but I think there's likely a bias that a guy who can put up good numbers at a school like UNC or Arizona is more draftable, even if he put up the same (or better) numbers at MU. 

And I don't think we can discount the possible impact of NIL on some players.  Marketability as a UNC player is no doubt higher than that of an MU player, and media exposure is part of that.

I do find it interesting that 3 of his 4 final schools all have new coaches this year, and it's not as if Underwood is that established at Illinois.  I wouldn't say that any of those 4 are locks for a successful season, so you can't say Dawson is taking the path of least resistance. 

[moomoo]

Maybe not a significant impact, but I think there's likely a bias that a guy who can put up good numbers at a school like UNC or Arizona is more draftable, even if he put up the same (or better) numbers at MU. 

False.

A Big East schedule, especially with a tough OOC, would be viewed as good or even more impressive than most other schools and conferences, especially the way the PAC12 has been.

[bilsu]

And I don't think we can discount the possible impact of NIL on some players.  Marketability as a UNC player is no doubt higher than that of an MU player, and media exposure is part of that.

I think in general an NIL at UNC is going to be worth more the one at MU. However, at MU Dawson is more likely to have the highest NIL value of MU players, whereas at UNC he is not likely to be the player in most demand. I have no idea how this would equate dollar wise, but the face of the program should get the best deals.