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Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 10, 2022, 03:43:05 PM
I don't think its a bad idea that an owner hires a consultant to help with a GM search.  I just think its funny that they trot out 80 year old Bill Polian who peaked as a GM 20 years ago.

But the concurrent search for a head coach is just dumb.  Bad organizations think too often that it's that one position that is going to make the difference between winning and losing.  But IMO the GM is the most important hire here.  (Actually what's more important is that the owners have a philosophy about how a team should be run and a culture that supports that philosophy, but Ginny says her kid is good so that's a non-starter.)  Get a GM in the door who fits whatever your philosophy is and let them hire the coach. 

Didn't they do this when they hired Pace?  Wasn't John Fox hired and Pace basically had to work with him?  Why would you make that same mistake again?

Basically, yes.

In 2015, George hired Ernie Accorsi to lead the GM search. Bears hired Pace first. As reported now, Pace's top HC choice was Dan Quinn, but he was still coaching with the Seahawks in the playoffs. As that happened, John Fox gets canned in Denver, after blowing a home playoff game to Indy.

Fox is old buddies with Accorsi. Accorsi then leans on George to hire Fox as coach. The newly acquired Pace (about a week on the job), has Accorsi and McCaskey telling him Fox would be a great hire. Pace hires Fox.

This is the collaboration model that the Bears love to talk about. George is a moron. The current search will be a fiasco as well. You're absolute right about timing and having concurrent searches for GM and HC.

ZiggysFryBoy

Quote from: Pakuni on January 10, 2022, 04:21:59 PM
Bears have put in an interview request for Colts director of college scouting Morocco Brown. Previously worked for the Bears from 2001-07.

Requested to talk to Leslie Frazier as well.

Jockey

Bears are showing why good teams continue to be good and bad teams continue to be bad.

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on January 10, 2022, 03:17:12 PM
We always hear "the AD has a list of coach candidates" or the GM has a list of managers that he would hire".

It sounded to me like the Bears are going to post the job on indeed.com and see who applies. 

So passive, incompetent, and frustrating.  If I wasn't so damned intrenched in hate for the packers, I would switch teams.

Even worse, they had basically all season to prepare for this.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Jockey on January 10, 2022, 04:58:10 PM
Bears are showing why good teams continue to be good and bad teams continue to be bad.

I'll say this, Steelers fans should be grateful their old guard ownership hasn't gone the way of the McCaskey and Mara families
Guster is for Lovers

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Uncle Rico

Guster is for Lovers

GB Warrior

Chicago 670 talking about giving GM responsibility to Josh McDaniel or Brian Flores. Or trading a first rounder for a home run hire (what first rounder?).

To be clear, I think Flores would be a home run coaching hire, but the list of coaches that have been successful as their own GM this millenia is approximately 1.

JWags85

Quote from: jesmu84 on January 10, 2022, 01:39:02 PM
Leslie Frazier?

When was the last time a HC was fired for poor performance and then succeeded in another HC role?

Besides BB, Pete Carroll comes to mind.  But in both cases they were in their early 40s when they struggled.  Leslie Frazier was in his 50s and had been a DC in the NFL for a decade.  Hard pass on a guy in his 60s who struck out the first time.

Flores is top of my wish list but in no way do I want him as GM as well.  McDaniels?  Hell no.

The Sultan

Quote from: GB Warrior on January 10, 2022, 06:05:41 PM
Chicago 670 talking about giving GM responsibility to Josh McDaniel or Brian Flores. Or trading a first rounder for a home run hire (what first rounder?).

To be clear, I think Flores would be a home run coaching hire, but the list of coaches that have been successful as their own GM this millenia is approximately 1.


Ah.  The Great Man Theory of football management.  Usually those are reserved for desperate franchises who have run out of ideas...so the Bears check that box.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

jesmu84

Quote from: JWags85 on January 10, 2022, 06:32:06 PM
Besides BB, Pete Carroll comes to mind.  But in both cases they were in their early 40s when they struggled.  Leslie Frazier was in his 50s and had been a DC in the NFL for a decade.  Hard pass on a guy in his 60s who struck out the first time.

Flores is top of my wish list but in no way do I want him as GM as well.  McDaniels?  Hell no.

Okay. So, 2. Maybe a couple more.

The odds aren't great, it would seem.

Don't get a retread.

MU82

Quote from: GB Warrior on January 10, 2022, 06:05:41 PM
Chicago 670 talking about giving GM responsibility to Josh McDaniel or Brian Flores. Or trading a first rounder for a home run hire (what first rounder?).

To be clear, I think Flores would be a home run coaching hire, but the list of coaches that have been successful as their own GM this millenia is approximately 1.

We'll take your 2nd rounder for Matt Rhule!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Pakuni

@AdamSchefter: Chicago has requested permission to interview Bills' OC Brian Daboll for the Bears' HC job, per source.

cheebs09

Quote from: Pakuni on January 10, 2022, 07:39:13 PM
@AdamSchefter: Chicago has requested permission to interview Bills' OC Brian Daboll for the Bears' HC job, per source.

Looking at his resume, that seems like a decent option. Did he play a big role in Josh Allen?

JWags85

Quote from: cheebs09 on January 10, 2022, 09:13:19 PM
Looking at his resume, that seems like a decent option. Did he play a big role in Josh Allen?

I mean, he has a history of working with QBs and he was Allen's OC since he entered the league, so you'd have to think so. 

He was an intriguing name for me going into this year.  The inconsistency of the Bills hasn't been great but he's got pretty solid bonafides

MU82

"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

jesmu84

Bears GM candidates so far include 2 guys from Cleveland and 1 from indy

jesmu84

Quote from: jesmu84 on January 10, 2022, 09:46:45 PM
Bears GM candidates so far include 2 guys from Cleveland and 1 from indy

Coaching candidates are both bills coordinators and both Bucs coordinators

Herman Cain

Quote from: jesmu84 on January 11, 2022, 08:31:00 AM
Coaching candidates are both bills coordinators and both Bucs coordinators
Those 4  are solid prospects.
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Pakuni

@TomPelissero

The #Bears put in an interview request for #Colts DC Matt Eberflus, source said.
One of the NFL's most respected assistants, Eberflus also will interview with the #Jaguars on Saturday.

Jockey

Remember-George and Ted are making the decisions. This should NOT be about finding the 'hot name'.

I would bet the majority of GB fans had never heard of Gutey or LaFleur before they were hired. Matt wasn't just hired for his X's and O's  He is a born leader.

I think the only way you get the right people in Chicago is by getting lucky. Those at the top haven't changed.

Dish

They won't hire him, but I would hire Dave Toub.

cheebs09

Quote from: Jockey on January 11, 2022, 10:37:56 AM
Remember-George and Ted are making the decisions. This should NOT be about finding the 'hot name'.

I would bet the majority of GB fans had never heard of Gutey or LaFleur before they were hired. Matt wasn't just hired for his X's and O's  He is a born leader.

I think the only way you get the right people in Chicago is by getting lucky. Those at the top haven't changed.

I disagree about Gutey. He had been with the Packers since 98 and was highly thought of. Although other names like Schneider, McKenzie, and Dorsey might have been more top of mind due to being GMs elsewhere. Wolf obviously due to his dad.

Agreed on Lafleur. I thought the same about McCarthy especially with their respective offensive ranks.

The Sultan

It really is hard to tell what exactly they are looking for in a head coach.  All the candidates mentioned have been...fine...but the real key is what they are going to do offensively if they hire a defensive minded coach like Eberflus or Flores. 

And in the end they may end up getting a good GM and coach, but the process they are following sure makes it harder.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Jockey

No, I agree with you about Gutey. He was very well respected in GB - I meant that he wasn't a hot name league-wide and most had never heard of him. I certainly don't follow a lot of guys who work under a GM.

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