2021-2022 NFL Season

[PGsHeroes32]

That personal foul call on Lynch is why the nfl sucks.

How is he supposed to see Fields half way kneel

[Jockey]

Did I really need to use teal here? C’mon man.

Mine should have been teal as well. Yes, I knew what you were saying.

[MuggsyB]

Excuse my ignorance but had the Bears fired Nagy (And Pace) weeks ago, could they not be interviewing replacements immediately?  Why exactly is Nagy still on the sidelines?  Am I missing something?

[DegenerateDish]

Mine should have been teal as well. Yes, I knew what you were saying.

All good. This game is gross as hell.

[MU82]

Excuse my ignorance but had the Bears fired Nagy (And Pace) weeks ago, could they not be interviewing replacements immediately?  Why exactly is Nagy still on the sidelines?  Am I missing something?

They didn't like that it was leaked.

[jesmu84]

Bears defense playing very well considering which players on the field

[MuggsyB]

They didn't like that it was leaked.

Seems ridiculous to me.  Both Nagy and Pace have proven they are inept. 

[BM1090]

Bears -0.5 4Q for the win!

[Jockey]

All good. This game is gross as hell.

Yup.

I think all young QBs have a problem reading when guys are open in the NFL. It’s worse for QBs from Alabama or OSU because they they are used to guys being so wide open. They aren’t used to the tight windows in the NFL where even the bad DBs are better than what they faced in college.

I don’t know if Fields can overcome this. Also needs to improve his accuracy.

[MU82]

Seems ridiculous to me.  Both Nagy and Pace have proven they are inept.

Of course it’s ridiculous. It’s the Bears.

You’ve been a fan for years, right?

[Billy Hoyle]

Excuse my ignorance but had the Bears fired Nagy (And Pace) weeks ago, could they not be interviewing replacements immediately?  Why exactly is Nagy still on the sidelines?  Am I missing something?

Not until the final two weeks of the season (new rule this year).

[MuggsyB]

Not until the final two weeks of the season (new rule this year).

I assume though that they'll keep these nimrods until the end of the year now.  Could they conceivably can them next week and then interview a few candidates immediately?

[MuggsyB]

Of course it’s ridiculous. It’s the Bears.

You’ve been a fan for years, right?

Yes.  They make disasters look like minor issues.  The level of incompetence in that organization is impossible to quantify.  I said they were a 5 win team before the year started and may be right on target.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I think all young QBs have a problem reading when guys are open in the NFL. It’s worse for QBs from Alabama or OSU because they they are used to guys being so wide open. They aren’t used to the tight windows in the NFL where even the bad DBs are better than what they faced in college.

The last three Alabama starting quarterbacks (Hurts, Tua and Jones) are all NFL starters.  I don't think any of them are worse off because they went to Alabama.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I assume though that they'll keep these nimrods until the end of the year now.  Could they conceivably can them next week and then interview a few candidates immediately?

Nagy is obviously gone.

The real question is if Pace will be gone too.  Because as much as I think Nagy hasn't been good, he doesn't have a lot of talent to work with.  But I am not sure Pace will be on his way out.

[MU82]

"If he screws up one time, he's done."

-- Bruce Arians, when TB signed Antonio Brown in 2020.

"I could give a sh!t what they think. Only thing I care about is this football team and what's best for us."

-- Bruce Arians, asked Monday about going back on his word.

[Billy Hoyle]

The last three Alabama starting quarterbacks (Hurts, Tua and Jones) are all NFL starters.  I don't think any of them are worse off because they went to Alabama.

Hurts was benched then changed his game after going to Oklahoma. The jury is out on Tua being a long term NFL starter. Jones is a stud.

Bama plays more of a pro style offense, so I don’t think the comparison to OSU is the best one.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I am not sure Jones is a "stud."  Regardless, Alabama's alumni in the NFL are performing like most young quarterbacks do.

[Pakuni]

I am not sure Jones is a "stud."  Regardless, Alabama's alumni in the NFL are performing like most young quarterbacks do.

Yeah, Tua and Mac Jones rank 1st and 3rd, respectively, in completion percentage this year among qualified QBs.
And their air yards per completion is about the same as Dak and Brady, and better than Rodgers and Mahomes, so the accuracy isn't simply a matter of a short passing scheme.
I can't predict either guys' NFL future, but they clearly aren't struggling to complete passes against tighter NFL coverages.

[Billy Hoyle]

Yeah, Tua and Mac Jones rank 1st and 3rd, respectively, in completion percentage this year among qualified QBs.
And their air yards per completion is about the same as Dak and Brady, and better than Rodgers and Mahomes, so the accuracy isn't simply a matter of a short passing scheme.
I can't predict either guys' NFL future, but they clearly aren't struggling to complete passes against tighter NFL coverages.

the biggest knock against Tua is durability. If he can stay healthy he could be a franchise QB, but he hasn't shown the ability to do that yet in both college and the pros.

[reinko]

the biggest knock against Tua is durability. If he can stay healthy he could be a franchise QB, but he hasn't shown the ability to do that yet in both college and the pros.

I thought it was the fact he needs to take 3 crow ups to throw the ball further than 25 yards

[Jockey]

The last three Alabama starting quarterbacks (Hurts, Tua and Jones) are all NFL starters.  I don't think any of them are worse off because they went to Alabama.

I agree with what you say. My point, though, was that when the guys from schools that have AA receivers every year get to the NFL, the completion window is an issue for them. They are used to throwing the ball to wide open guys - something they don't see nearly as often in the NFL. It's the old axiom about Rodgers - he throws guys open. To take it further, in the NFL, they need to be able to read the defense and make quick looks to a 2nd or 3rd guy.

That was something Trubisky never learned (or perhaps Nagy couldn't teach). So, I certainly think these guys can be good, but it is an added dimension for them in the NFL. Every Alabama or OSU QB that gets to the pros was already a top prospect, so the talent is there.

It's the mental part that gets them. Rodgers is the best because besides talent, he has the mental game as well. He knows where the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th receivers are. And if they aren't? We've all seen him go off at guys during the game.

Agee? Disagree?

[Jockey]

From ESPN

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32822007/inside-dysfunctional-decade-new-york-jets-giants-football-went-wrong-next

One of the headlines underneath:
Cycles of Dysfunction


I can already imagine the email Wags is sending to ESPN over this.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I agree with what you say. My point, though, was that when the guys from schools that have AA receivers every year get to the NFL, the completion window is an issue for them. They are used to throwing the ball to wide open guys - something they don't see nearly as often in the NFL. It's the old axiom about Rodgers - he throws guys open. To take it further, in the NFL, they need to be able to read the defense and make quick looks to a 2nd or 3rd guy.

That was something Trubisky never learned (or perhaps Nagy couldn't teach). So, I certainly think these guys can be good, but it is an added dimension for them in the NFL. Every Alabama or OSU QB that gets to the pros was already a top prospect, so the talent is there.

It's the mental part that gets them. Rodgers is the best because besides talent, he has the mental game as well. He knows where the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th receivers are. And if they aren't? We've all seen him go off at guys during the game.

Agee? Disagree?

I have no evidence to suggest that the bolded has been a problem with quarterbacks from schools with top receivers versus those from schools with average receivers.

[jficke13]

I agree with what you say. My point, though, was that when the guys from schools that have AA receivers every year get to the NFL, the completion window is an issue for them. They are used to throwing the ball to wide open guys - something they don't see nearly as often in the NFL. It's the old axiom about Rodgers - he throws guys open. To take it further, in the NFL, they need to be able to read the defense and make quick looks to a 2nd or 3rd guy.

That was something Trubisky never learned (or perhaps Nagy couldn't teach). So, I certainly think these guys can be good, but it is an added dimension for them in the NFL. Every Alabama or OSU QB that gets to the pros was already a top prospect, so the talent is there.

It's the mental part that gets them. Rodgers is the best because besides talent, he has the mental game as well. He knows where the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th receivers are. And if they aren't? We've all seen him go off at guys during the game.

Agee? Disagree?

Wasn't the criticism on Mahomes that the TT system would hamstring his performance in the NFL? I... uh... don't think that happened.

To be honest, I think you're trying to brute force a correlation into a causation here. Some quarterbacks from elite programs in college struggle in the NFL. Some quarterbacks from small programs in college excel in the NFL. This entire line of argument strikes me as the search for some kind of grand truth that probably doesn't exist. The probable reality is that NFL QB success is complicated, involves a ton of variables, and is really hard to get right. If it weren't there wouldn't be so many busts and the stakes associated with making the decisions on QB wouldn't be franchise-defining.