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hairy worthen

Quote from: BLM on December 12, 2021, 10:02:01 PM
Fields is Cutler 2.0. Will make some incredible plays. Physically gifted. Can't read a defense and will throw the defense the ball a couple of times a game.
He is s rookie, let's see where he is at in year 3

GB Warrior

Quote from: BLM on December 12, 2021, 10:02:01 PM
Fields is Cutler 2.0. Will make some incredible plays. Physically gifted. Can't read a defense and will throw the defense the ball a couple of times a game.

Hard disagree. I think his processing is already better than Cutler's. Get him a coach that wants to use his strengths and a year or two of seasoning.

RushmoreAcademy

Quote from: BLM on December 12, 2021, 10:02:01 PM
Fields is Cutler 2.0. Will make some incredible plays. Physically gifted. Can't read a defense and will throw the defense the ball a couple of times a game.

He's played 10 games.......

Dish


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The Sultan

Have the Bears made a first down this half?
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Dish

Finish of this drive interesting for some.

TSmith34, Inc.

If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

GB Warrior

New theory, Mo Drayton has money on the Bears to cover.

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Jockey

Quote from: GB Warrior on December 12, 2021, 10:33:50 PM
New theory, Mo Drayton has money on the Bears to cover.

I've watched football - HS, College, NFL - for over 5 decades. This is the worst performance I have ever seen and it's not even close.

TSmith34, Inc.

When is the last time GB had good special teams? 1996 Superbowl team?
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

GB Warrior

Quote from: TSmith34 on December 12, 2021, 10:39:22 PM
When is the last time GB had good special teams? 1996 Superbowl team?

Allen Rossum in 2000

Jockey

Quote from: BLM on December 12, 2021, 10:02:01 PM
Fields is Cutler 2.0. Will make some incredible plays. Physically gifted. Can't read a defense and will throw the defense the ball a couple of times a game.

Unlike others here, I agree.

JWags85

Well shucks, if two sports know-it-alls who have never said anything positive about any current Chicago sports franchises have assessed and judged a top 10+1 pick rookie QB after 9 starts and less than 250 pass attempts...then he's surely doomed to being aggressively average.  His terrible OL and coaching situation and organizational dysfunction mean nothing, he's just gonna be a guy, got it.

wadesworld

#2815
As a Packers fan, I'm fine with Justin Fields being on the Bears. So I guess both Packers and Bears fans can be happy.

It is funny seeing this reaction from Bears fans, compared to their reaction seeing Jordan Love in a single regular season game.

But have it both ways.

(For the record, Jordan Love stinks.)

Also funny, I used to be the blind Chicago hater for ragging on Jay Cutler. Now if I compare the Bears quarterback to him it's like I kicked dirt on Al McGuire's grave around here. Weird how that happens.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: BLM on December 13, 2021, 06:33:34 AM
As a Packers fan, I'm fine with Justin Fields being on the Bears. So I guess both Packers and Bears fans can be happy.

It is funny seeing this reaction from Bears fans, compared to their reaction seeing Jordan Love in a single regular season game.

But have it both ways.

(For the record, Jordan Love stinks.)

Also funny, I used to be the blind Chicago hater for ragging on Jay Cutler. Now if I compare the Bears quarterback to him it's like I kicked dirt on Al McGuire's grave around here. Weird how that happens.

I'm reserving judgement until I see Fields with a real coach
Guster is for Lovers

Jockey

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 13, 2021, 07:36:03 AM
I'm reserving judgement until I see Fields with a real coach

Do you have evidence that this will happen? You gotta keep a coach who feels "awesome" at halftime even though the other team scored 21 points.

Dysfunctional teams do dysfunctional things. Over and over.


Uncle Rico

Quote from: Jockey on December 13, 2021, 07:44:15 AM
Do you have evidence that this will happen? You gotta keep a coach who feels "awesome" at halftime even though the other team scored 21 points.

Dysfunctional teams do dysfunctional things. Over and over.

No, I don't.  I don't envy Fields
Guster is for Lovers

Dish

Quote from: BLM on December 13, 2021, 06:33:34 AM
As a Packers fan, I'm fine with Justin Fields being on the Bears. So I guess both Packers and Bears fans can be happy.

It is funny seeing this reaction from Bears fans, compared to their reaction seeing Jordan Love in a single regular season game.

But have it both ways.

(For the record, Jordan Love stinks.)

Also funny, I used to be the blind Chicago hater for ragging on Jay Cutler. Now if I compare the Bears quarterback to him it's like I kicked dirt on Al McGuire's grave around here. Weird how that happens.

Other than wearing a C on their helmets, in what way are their games similar?

If you think Fields stinks, that's cool, I have no issues with that. If you're just saying it because they both played for Chicago, that's a pretty lazy narrative.

Jockey

Quote from: DegenerateDish on December 13, 2021, 07:59:56 AM
Other than wearing a C on their helmets, in what way are their games similar?

If you think Fields stinks, that's cool, I have no issues with that. If you're just saying it because they both played for Chicago, that's a pretty lazy narrative.

I expect to get turnovers when Fields is the QB - just like Jay.

I realize it's not an apples to apples comparison as Fields is a rookie and Jay was a veteran. But if I were a Bears fan, I would be worried about him learning to read defenses. Didn't have to do it much at tOSU.

wadesworld

Quote from: DegenerateDish on December 13, 2021, 07:59:56 AM
Other than wearing a C on their helmets, in what way are their games similar?

If you think Fields stinks, that's cool, I have no issues with that. If you're just saying it because they both played for Chicago, that's a pretty lazy narrative.

Well, Jay was 6'3", 231 lbs.  Fields is 6'3" 228 lbs.  Both extend plays after being hit in the back field fairly well.  Both have big arms.  Neither reads a defense well.  Both throw the other team the ball and put the ball on the ground.  Both make amazing plays with their arms.  And both play for the Bears.

Jay only approached Fields's interception % once in his career.  Jay's touchdown % was never close to as low as Fields's is.  Jay's quarterback rating and QBR were never close to as low as Fields's.  Jay's winning percentage has never been close to as low as Fields's  Fields is the better runner.

So I guess I should've said Fields is a poor man's Jay, not Jay 2.0.

cheebs09

Quote from: Jockey on December 13, 2021, 07:44:15 AM
Do you have evidence that this will happen? You gotta keep a coach who feels "awesome" at halftime even though the other team scored 21 points.

Dysfunctional teams do dysfunctional things. Over and over.

I was shocked by hearing that. Maybe a coach making the best of his last few games. They were only up 6. I wasn't sure why he was walking on clouds.

I'm not really ready to make a judgement on Fields yet. Plenty of QBs have ugly first seasons. Plus, I don't think Nagy did a very a good job of prepping the offense for Fields. I don't think he was well prepared in the offseason.

GB Warrior

Waking up today, still immensely irritated at yesterday's game, which is weird for a 15 pt game. It should have been a blowout if not for STs, and yet, this was VERY close to being a loss due to the two muffed kicks alone.

I'm not sure why there is a rule that the kicking team cannot advance a recover (safety? I guess?), and the Packers got extremely lucky on the muffed punt that wasn't. Especially since the Packers did the exact same thing without penalty earlier.

MU82

Quote from: BLM on December 13, 2021, 08:14:01 AM
Well, Jay was 6'3", 231 lbs.  Fields is 6'3" 228 lbs.  Both extend plays after being hit in the back field fairly well.  Both have big arms.  Neither reads a defense well.  Both throw the other team the ball and put the ball on the ground.  Both make amazing plays with their arms.  And both play for the Bears.

Jay only approached Fields's interception % once in his career.  Jay's touchdown % was never close to as low as Fields's is.  Jay's quarterback rating and QBR were never close to as low as Fields's.  Jay's winning percentage has never been close to as low as Fields's  Fields is the better runner.

So I guess I should've said Fields is a poor man's Jay, not Jay 2.0.

Pretty harsh judgment of a first-year QB playing under a lame-duck (and lame) coach. A little surprised by this from you.

What did you think of Elway and Manning during their first seasons? If you don't remember, take a look at their rookie stats. Yikes!

I am NOT saying Fields will be the next Elway or Manning. He very well might be the next Cutler, or worse. I wasn't very high on him going into the draft, and I didn't want the Panthers to take him (a decision that might or might not come back to haunt them). But as I watch him toil on a bad team under a bad coach, the only grade I can objectively give him is "incomplete."
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

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