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Author Topic: 2021-2022 NFL Season  (Read 264308 times)

MU82

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Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
« Reply #2575 on: November 28, 2021, 03:27:04 PM »
The end of the Bucs-Colts game illustrates why guys just stop running at the 1 instead of scoring a TD like Fournette did.

Fournette stopped at the 1, the Bucs would have won on a chip-shot FG as time expired. The only chance the Colts had was if Fournette scored. The only chance.

So Indy actually was lucky Fournette scored ... and then the Colts almost made the Bucs pay when their return guy just about took the ensuing kickoff to the house.

Fortunately for TB, one of their guys made the tackle at the TB 30, and then Wentz made a bad decision on his first pass, necessitating a Hail Mary attempt that failed. Had Wentz just taken a 10-15 yard pass over the middle, Indy still had a TO and it would have set up a realistic 15-20 yard pass into the end zone.
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« Reply #2576 on: November 28, 2021, 03:36:33 PM »
On the game winning play by Fournette ,Gronk made an incredible block that sealed the defense off and created a massive hole that Fournette ran through . Textbook .
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Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
« Reply #2577 on: November 28, 2021, 03:53:12 PM »
The end of the Bucs-Colts game illustrates why guys just stop running at the 1 instead of scoring a TD like Fournette did.

Fournette stopped at the 1, the Bucs would have won on a chip-shot FG as time expired. The only chance the Colts had was if Fournette scored. The only chance.

So Indy actually was lucky Fournette scored ... and then the Colts almost made the Bucs pay when their return guy just about took the ensuing kickoff to the house.

Those of us with Tampa -3 were also pretty lucky that Fournette scored.

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Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
« Reply #2578 on: November 28, 2021, 03:54:36 PM »
Doing the obvious? Name the last great Bama QB in the pros?

And maybe Jones was the only of those QBs that went to a team that wasn’t in shambles

Silly argument. If GB thought like that, they wouldn’t have drafted Rodgers.

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« Reply #2579 on: November 28, 2021, 03:57:18 PM »
Doing the obvious? Name the last great Bama QB in the pros?

And maybe Jones was the only of those QBs that went to a team that wasn’t in shambles

Never helmet scout.

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« Reply #2580 on: November 28, 2021, 04:05:08 PM »
Never helmet scout.

Sure, but I’m trying to understand why Mac Jones was “obvious”, so much that he should have been a no brainer top 4 or top 10 pick.  He had one season winning a bunch for Bama, but the majority of offensive skill players on the Saban Bama juggernauts, outside of WRs, haven’t done much in the NFL

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Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
« Reply #2581 on: November 28, 2021, 04:08:43 PM »
Sullivan needs to tackle him. Injury depth hurts.

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« Reply #2582 on: November 28, 2021, 04:23:05 PM »
Sure, but I’m trying to understand why Mac Jones was “obvious”, so much that he should have been a no brainer top 4 or top 10 pick.  He had one season winning a bunch for Bama, but the majority of offensive skill players on the Saban Bama juggernauts, outside of WRs, haven’t done much in the NFL

One reason: accuracy.

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Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
« Reply #2583 on: November 28, 2021, 04:25:16 PM »
Ahhh,

Time for the weekly ST rant.

It never ends. Like night follows day.

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Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
« Reply #2584 on: November 28, 2021, 04:33:19 PM »
Over and over and over.

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« Reply #2585 on: November 28, 2021, 04:37:30 PM »
Sure, but I’m trying to understand why Mac Jones was “obvious”, so much that he should have been a no brainer top 4 or top 10 pick.  He had one season winning a bunch for Bama, but the majority of offensive skill players on the Saban Bama juggernauts, outside of WRs, haven’t done much in the NFL

I don't think Jones was a no brainer, but neither were any of the QBs other than Lawrence. Each had deficiencies. But Jones' have shown up the least.
The things he does really well - processing, accuracy, quick release - have been proven to be more important to NFL success than the physical traits for which he was dinged. Ideally you get guys who can do both, but if given a choice, IMO, you're better off with the quick, accurate passer than the tall guy with a rocket arm.
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Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
« Reply #2586 on: November 28, 2021, 04:43:46 PM »
Name the last great Bama QB in the pros?

And maybe Jones was the only of those QBs that went to a team that wasn’t in shambles

The first point ... Tua looked pretty darn good today, and he's looked good the last month as the Dolphins have won 4 straight. Not sure if he's gonna be "great" or not. One could argue he hasn't been any good long enough to even be considered "good." But he's very accurate, strong arm, good legs, and he's got a chance. And the Eagles sure think a lot of Hurts, though he's an even bigger question mark.

Having said all that, it really doesn't matter what those guys have done. They have absolutely no bearing on what others, including Jones, will do.

I mean, before Herbert got to Oregon, here were the school's all-time passing leaders: Mariota, Musgrave, O'Neil, Clemens, Harrington, Miller, Fouts, Thomas, Smith.

I think you'll agree that, with the exception of Fouts 1000 years ago, Oregon QBs didn't exactly go on to set the world on fire. Good thing the Chargers didn't pay any attention to that.

The second point ... absolutely. Jones definitely went to the best situation, with the most successful coach in modern NFL history adding to what already were some pretty good pieces.

And I agree with you that Jones wasn't obvious ... because if he were, all those teams wouldn't have passed on him.

Time will tell, of course, but I'm already wishing the Panthers had taken him.

That's human nature. Fans all around the NFL wish their teams didn't pass on Rodgers, Wilson, Favre, Marino, etc, etc, etc.
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Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
« Reply #2587 on: November 28, 2021, 05:01:41 PM »
Funny how the 5rh QB taken in the draft has been far and away the best rookie QBs this year. GMs always want to project instead of doing the obvious.

Lawrence will be great. Jones will have a better career than the others.

Playing devil's advocate and sticking with my belief that system, and O-line make decent QB's great, and great QB's elite, Mac Jones is playing in a really good system, with a great coach, and a solid O-line.

Many of those other QB's walked into dumpster fires of situations.

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« Reply #2588 on: November 28, 2021, 05:11:38 PM »
One reason: accuracy.

What if advanced statistics show Jones wasn't the most accurate out of the rookie QBs?

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« Reply #2589 on: November 28, 2021, 05:14:48 PM »
Playing devil's advocate and sticking with my belief that system, and O-line make decent QB's great, and great QB's elite, Mac Jones is playing in a really good system, with a great coach, and a solid O-line.

Many of those other QB's walked into dumpster fires of situations.

Playing devil's advocate to your devil's advocate, it's the same system, coach and O-line (swapping Ted Karras for Joe Thuney) with which Cam Newton was very, very bad last year.
All the things you mention are true, but it's also true that Jones has been good. No reason both can't be true.

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« Reply #2590 on: November 28, 2021, 05:19:23 PM »
What if advanced statistics show Jones wasn't the most accurate out of the rookie QBs?

Which one?
His on-target rate of 79.6% (heading into today) is the best of any rookie QB.

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Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
« Reply #2591 on: November 28, 2021, 05:43:35 PM »
Packers red zone offense is brutal. Need more than FGs.

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« Reply #2592 on: November 28, 2021, 05:44:08 PM »
Rodgers missed a wide open Jones for an easy 1st down, and possible TD.

Never even looked to that side. Two people open, Jones wide wide open.

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Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
« Reply #2593 on: November 28, 2021, 05:48:39 PM »
You can take the man out of Detroit…

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« Reply #2594 on: November 28, 2021, 05:55:42 PM »
You can take the man out of Detroit…

He's definitely been off this game.

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Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
« Reply #2595 on: November 28, 2021, 06:06:47 PM »
You can take the man out of Detroit…

He gets stats, not wins.
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Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
« Reply #2596 on: November 28, 2021, 06:28:32 PM »
Lol at that CB trying to make a solo tackle on Dillon.

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« Reply #2597 on: November 28, 2021, 06:50:57 PM »
He gets stats, not wins.

Dumb. He’s a top ten to fifteen QB. Certainly has his flaws. Dragging that lions team with maybe the worst defense in NFL history to five wins last year was a miracle.


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Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
« Reply #2598 on: November 28, 2021, 06:53:10 PM »
Delighted with the Pack win against a tough conference opponent
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Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
« Reply #2599 on: November 28, 2021, 07:00:23 PM »
Somebody needs to go along with Bradshaw when he goes pants shopping. He’s on TV - not out hog calling.

 

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