2021-2022 NFL Season

[MuggsyB]

There's no doubt they have many more emails. 

[Pakuni]

There's no doubt they have many more emails.

What's interesting is that these are the ones the league chose to leak.

[MuggsyB]

I have no idea why this specific email but his explanation was bizarre to put it mildly.  It didn't help his cause.

[DegenerateDish]

Yeah, it’s interesting that Gruden’s downfall is from the WFT investigation, meaning if this was the stuff released, I can’t imagine what wasn’t. That entire investigation process, not making the report public, a wrist slap to Dan Snyder…no bueno to the process.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Yeah, it’s interesting that Gruden’s downfall is from the WFT investigation, meaning if this was the stuff released, I can’t imagine what wasn’t. That entire investigation process, not making the report public, a wrist slap to Dan Snyder…no bueno to the process.

Yes. And makes it look like the Gruden leaks were a personal vendetta. Not that I am sympathetic to Gruden here…

[MuggsyB]

Yeah, it’s interesting that Gruden’s downfall is from the WFT investigation, meaning if this was the stuff released, I can’t imagine what wasn’t. That entire investigation process, not making the report public, a wrist slap to Dan Snyder…no bueno to the process.

The NFL doesn't exactly have a stellar track record on a number of issues.

[Pakuni]

Fair point:

@MichaelRyanRuiz: ESPN talking about how the Raiders organization handles Jon Gruden’s behavior while he was an ESPN employee is wild

[DegenerateDish]

Fair point:

@MichaelRyanRuiz: ESPN talking about how the Raiders organization handles Jon Gruden’s behavior while he was an ESPN employee is wild

This is spot on (I also love Mike Ryan).

ESPN has to be very happy there was no Manning Cast tonight, that would have been super awkward for all involved.

[Jockey]

I think he could have survived one racist comment from 10 years ago. Once it became obvious that the comment was part of a pattern of racism and misogyny, the writing was on the wall.

[jesmu84]

How is Dan Snyder still clean?

[Jockey]

How is Dan Snyder still clean?

He’s rich and he’s arrogant.

[Hards Alumni]

Eh, even if he has a losing season he will be around for a little while longer.

Aged like milk.

[MU82]

I think he could have survived one racist comment from 10 years ago. Once it became obvious that the comment was part of a pattern of racism and misogyny, the writing was on the wall.

Yep yep.

[JWags85]

He’s rich and he’s arrogant.

Nah, Snyder is a terrible owner but a very clever and smart man, which is a terrible combination with someone who is a morally bankrupt and clearly very crapty person.  As more and more goes by, I’m convinced he has plenty of dirt on the NFL and other owners and he wields it as a shield and protective Trump card.

Jerry Richardson was rich and arrogant.  So was Donald Sterling

[Jockey]

Nah, Snyder is a terrible owner but a very clever and smart man, which is a terrible combination with someone who is a morally bankrupt and clearly very crapty person.  As more and more goes by, I’m convinced he has plenty of dirt on the NFL and other owners and he wields it as a shield and protective Trump card.

Jerry Richardson was rich and arrogant.  So was Donald Sterling

I agree that he is clever and smart. But he gets away with this stuff because he is rich and arrogant. He does whatever he wants to do because he is rich. He doesn't care what anyone says or thinks. That is arrogance.

[Jockey]

Aged like milk.

In your defense, I think we only knew about the one comment when you said this.

[Pakuni]

Jerry Richardson was rich and arrogant.  So was Donald Sterling

The difference is that in neither of these cases you cite (nor Marge Schott, to throw in another dethroned owner), did their respective leagues have exclusive control of the evidence.
I think this is less about Dan Snyder being smart than it is NFL owners circling the wagons and protecting their own because "therego I."
It would be fun to watch Mark Davis and Jon Gruden to go scorched earth here - because this definitely was a hit job on Mark Davis and Jon Gruden - but my guess is their long-term interests will prevent that.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

The difference is that in neither of these cases you cite (nor Marge Schott, to throw in another dethroned owner), did their respective leagues have exclusive control of the evidence.
I think this is less about Dan Snyder being smart than it is NFL owners circling the wagons and protecting their own because "therego I."
It would be fun to watch Mark Davis and Jon Gruden to go scorched earth here - because this definitely was a hit job on Mark Davis and Jon Gruden - but my guess is their long-term interests will prevent that.

Yeah it would be fun, but neither has anything to gain from that.  Gruden especially considering that he is untouchable by any network right now, so his only shot at making money in football is being a scout or some other behind the scenes front office guy.  (If he needs to make money...no idea if the Raiders even partially bought him out.)

[cheebs09]

I can’t imagine Gruden is hurting for cash with what ESPN paid him.

How much control does the NFL have on the Super Bowl Halftime Show? I find it a bit ironic they have Eminem as one of the performers. Or is it all Pepsi?

[Pakuni]

Yeah it would be fun, but neither has anything to gain from that.  Gruden especially considering that he is untouchable by any network right now, so his only shot at making money in football is being a scout or some other behind the scenes front office guy.  (If he needs to make money...no idea if the Raiders even partially bought him out.)

Calling my shot ...
Jon Gruden, consultant, University of Alabama.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Yep.

https://slate.com/culture/2021/10/jon-gruden-racist-homophobic-emails-raiders-nfl-poster-boy.html

"The biggest problem with Gruden’s remarks, as the league should be concerned, is not that the ex-coach does not represent the NFL’s ideals. It should be that with every breath he draws, Gruden exhibits those ideals almost by default. Gruden is a more comprehensive encapsulation of an NFL poster-boy than almost anyone else on Earth. That a man in his position would crumble in this fashion says more about the league itself than Goodell could ever admit."

[Pakuni]

Yep.

https://slate.com/culture/2021/10/jon-gruden-racist-homophobic-emails-raiders-nfl-poster-boy.html

"The biggest problem with Gruden’s remarks, as the league should be concerned, is not that the ex-coach does not represent the NFL’s ideals. It should be that with every breath he draws, Gruden exhibits those ideals almost by default. Gruden is a more comprehensive encapsulation of an NFL poster-boy than almost anyone else on Earth. That a man in his position would crumble in this fashion says more about the league itself than Goodell could ever admit."

It's not wrong, but it's not like this is an issue exclusive to the NFL, or even professional sports. You're going to find stuff like this in any setting, especially any male-dominated setting.
That's not to excuse the behavior, of course, but acting like this is an NFL culture problem, and not a male culture problem, isn't exactly accurate.

[Billy Hoyle]

I can’t imagine Gruden is hurting for cash with what ESPN paid him.

How much control does the NFL have on the Super Bowl Halftime Show? I find it a bit ironic they have Eminem as one of the performers. Or is it all Pepsi?

Eminem and Dr. Dre, who has a history of domestic abuse.

[jesmu84]

Eminem and Dr. Dre, who has a history of domestic abuse.

The NFL gave up on punishing/focusing on domestic abuse years ago

[forgetful]

The difference is that in neither of these cases you cite (nor Marge Schott, to throw in another dethroned owner), did their respective leagues have exclusive control of the evidence.
I think this is less about Dan Snyder being smart than it is NFL owners circling the wagons and protecting their own because "therego I."
It would be fun to watch Mark Davis and Jon Gruden to go scorched earth here - because this definitely was a hit job on Mark Davis and Jon Gruden - but my guess is their long-term interests will prevent that.

The other difference is that Gruden apparently aggressively went after Goddell in the emails and called him names.

Seems like this was all a bit of revenge. Gruden is taking a fall, because he called the man behind the curtain some bad words.