2021-2022 NFL Season

[Pakuni]

In the most important news, Rodgers and Woodley have appeared to split. Maybe he's not going to Denver after all.

On to the next beard.

[Hards Alumni]

On to the next beard.

One of two things, I think if he was gay, he'd just come out and say it.

And if he's not, he should probably stop being such a starf*cker and find someone who isn't nuts like him.

[Jockey]

One of two things, I think if he was gay, he'd just come out and say it.

And if he's not, he should probably stop being such a starf*cker and find someone who isn't nuts like him.

Umm..... he's a way bigger star than she is.

[4everwarriors]

In the most important news, Rodgers and Woodley have appeared to split. Maybe he's not going to Denver after all.

Shockin', aina?

[Pakuni]

One of two things, I think if he was gay, he'd just come out and say it.

And if he's not, he should probably stop being such a starf*cker and find someone who isn't nuts like him.

I said that mostly in jest, of course (but who knows?), but I don't think coming out would be such an easy thing to do for an NFL player, especially a star NFL player.
There's a reason it hadn't ever happened until less than a year ago, and it's not because of the lack of NFL players previously.

[Billy Hoyle]

On to the next beard.

how enlightened and progressive.

[JWags85]

One of two things, I think if he was gay, he'd just come out and say it.

And if he's not, he should probably stop being such a starf*cker and find someone who isn't nuts like him.

I just find it hilarious that his relationships all magically end on anniversaries...like a contract expiring, hmmm.  Danica was right at 2 years.  Woodley almost exactly a year

[Pakuni]

Not a Hall of Famer.

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/matthew-stafford-wife-video-goes-viral-nfl-world-reacts

[JWags85]

Not a Hall of Famer.

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/matthew-stafford-wife-video-goes-viral-nfl-world-reacts

A HOFer like Joe Namath would have hopped down and tried to make out with her

[Hards Alumni]

I said that mostly in jest, of course (but who knows?), but I don't think coming out would be such an easy thing to do for an NFL player, especially a star NFL player.
There's a reason it hadn't ever happened until less than a year ago, and it's not because of the lack of NFL players previously.

Hard disagree.  He'd be celebrated for coming out.  Especially because of who he is.  Would there be some homophobes that'd show their true colors?  Yep, but those folks are background noise to the way society is going.  70% of people approve of gay marriage at this point.  Being gay doesn't come along with the same societal stigma that it did even twenty years ago.

Umm..... he's a way bigger star than she is.

Okay, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

[Pakuni]

Hard disagree.  He'd be celebrated for coming out.  Especially because of who he is.  Would there be some homophobes that'd show their true colors?  Yep, but those folks are background noise to the way society is going.  70% of people approve of gay marriage at this point.  Being gay doesn't come along with the same societal stigma that it did even twenty years ago.

1 As we've seen over and over again ÷ from the WFT lawsuits to the Gruden emails to the latest Dallas Cowboys settlement- the culture within NFL teams is hardly the same as that of society in general.

2. Despite what you say, it took 7+ years after Obergfell for a player to come out. And there almost certainly are many more players who remain closeted.  Why is that if, as you aay, they would only be celebrated?

[JWags85]

1 As we've seen over and over again ÷ from the WFT lawsuits to the Gruden emails to the latest Dallas Cowboys settlement- the culture within NFL teams is hardly the same as that of society in general.

2. Despite what you say, it took 7+ years after Obergfell for a player to come out. And there almost certainly are many more players who remain closeted.  Why is that if, as you aay, they would only be celebrated?

Totally agree. Ive seen common estimates of the percentage of the general pop who is gay/lesbian at around 7-8%, so with 32 teams and 52 man rosters, rounding down quite conservatively thats roughly 100 active players at any time who would be gay.  And one active player has come out?  I think the amount of support could be meant equally by the bristling at something thats not viewed in line with "macho" NFL culture.

Ive never been a fan of Rodgers the individual (despite my begrudging respect for him as a QB), but Ive long said, when these convos around him come up, that Id do a complete 180 on him if it was to be true and he did come out, while still playing, cause it would be incredibly brave and be an absolute watershed moment.

[Hards Alumni]

1 As we've seen over and over again ÷ from the WFT lawsuits to the Gruden emails to the latest Dallas Cowboys settlement- the culture within NFL teams is hardly the same as that of society in general.

2. Despite what you say, it took 7+ years after Obergfell for a player to come out. And there almost certainly are many more players who remain closeted.  Why is that if, as you aay, they would only be celebrated?

1. The NFL isn't society. 

2. The world has changed so much in even the last five years.

Look no further than what happened with Jason Collins in the NBA.  Lebron, Kobe, and others were behind him.  I'd imagine the same would happen in the NFL.

I'm certainly not saying that there would be uniform support for Rodgers in all circles, but society as a whole would see this as totally normal.

[Pakuni]

1. The NFL isn't society. 

That's my point.
But again, the proof is in the pudding. We know it's a near certainty that there are gay NFL players besides Carl Nassib, and have been for the past 5+ years in which the world has changed so much. And yet none of them are openly so. Something is leading them to believe they're better off closeted, right?

[Hards Alumni]

That's my point.
But again, the proof is in the pudding. We know it's a near certainty that there are gay NFL players besides Carl Nassib, and have been for the past 5+ years in which the world has changed so much. And yet none of them are openly so. Something is leading them to believe they're better off closeted, right?

People are ready when they're ready.  I'm sure many haven't even told their own families.

[shoothoops]

About the serious fall of the photographer at the Rams rally, she has a gofund me page started by her peers, for her fractured spine and medical bills:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/r85ce-help-kelly-get-back-on-her-feet

[Jockey]

About the serious fall of the photographer at the Rams rally, she has a gofund me page started by her peers, for her fractured spine and medical bills:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/r85ce-help-kelly-get-back-on-her-feet

Has Stafford contributed yet?

[Billy Hoyle]

1 As we've seen over and over again ÷ from the WFT lawsuits to the Gruden emails to the latest Dallas Cowboys settlement- the culture within NFL teams is hardly the same as that of society in general.

2. Despite what you say, it took 7+ years after Obergfell for a player to come out. And there almost certainly are many more players who remain closeted.  Why is that if, as you aay, they would only be celebrated?

Sure, there is only one out right now (which may mean there aren't many at all in NFL locker rooms) and it's been nothing but positives for him, but Michael Sam came out before the draft and was probably given opportunities he may not have gotten (excellent college player, way too small to be an NFL player) and profited more than he would have as an NFL practice squad player.

But I understand the thinking that Rodgers could receive blowback too. He already is for his vaccination status since in this country we have to take a yea or nay position on everything and everybody.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Has Stafford contributed yet?

Nope, turned his back on that, too.

[The Sultan]

Isn't the most logical explanation for why Rodgers has so many failed relationships, with women, family members, etc., mostly due to him being a bit of a prick more than him being gay?

[hairy worthen]

Isn't the most logical explanation for why Rodgers has so many failed relationships, with women, family members, etc., mostly due to him being a bit of a prick more than him being gay?

Bingo, that and his inflated ego.

[shoothoops]

Sure, there is only one out right now (which may mean there aren't many at all in NFL locker rooms) and it's been nothing but positives for him, but Michael Sam came out before the draft and was probably given opportunities he may not have gotten (excellent college player, way too small to be an NFL player) and profited more than he would have as an NFL practice squad player.

But I understand the thinking that Rodgers could receive blowback too. He already is for his vaccination status since in this country we have to take a yea or nay position on everything and everybody.

Michael Sam was the SEC Defensive Player of the Year and an All American in a 4-3 scheme. He earned his opportunities. And, he received less opportunities than he had earned.

Seven year of crickets went by after Sam.

[4everwarriors]

Isn't the most logical explanation for why Rodgers has so many failed relationships, with women, family members, etc., mostly due to him being a bit of a prick more than him being gay?

What if his prick was as big as his ego, hey?

[Billy Hoyle]

Michael Sam was the SEC Defensive Player of the Year and an All American in a 4-3 scheme. He earned his opportunities. And, he received less opportunities than he had earned.

Seven year of crickets went by after Sam.

Charlie Ward was the Heisman winner, wasn't drafted, and never played an NFL game. Your point?

Sam was too small to be a DE, too slow be an outside LB, and disappointed greatly at the combine. Then he quit the CFL after one game.  It was a shame too, I wanted him to succeed.

[Pakuni]

Charlie Ward was the Heisman winner, wasn't drafted, and never played an NFL game. Your point?

Sam was too small to be a DE, too slow be an outside LB, and disappointed greatly at the combine. Then he quit the CFL after one game.  It was a shame too, I wanted him to succeed.

Charlie Ward wasn't drafted because he refused to commit to the NFL during the pre-draft process. Teams weren't going to risk a draft pick on a middling prospect knowing that he might bail if a better offer from the NBA comes along (which it did two months later, when the Knicks drafted him in the first round).
Does anyone think Ward would have turned down the guaranteed 5-year contract he got from the Knicks and stuck with football as a 5th/6th round pick on a non-guaranteed deal?