Is Bates better than any of Shaka's signees?

[Dawson Rental]

Bates may be better now but there's certainly no guarantee he ends up as the best of that group of players.

Yes!  Like I said, he's most likely better than at least one of Shaka's freshman recruits, but most likely won't be the best of the bunch, i.e. at least one of MU's five freshmen will have a better career than Bates.

[StillAWarrior]

Bates was a great recruit and will be solid at IU...possibly better than any of Marquette's recruits this season (and possibly not). So what? There was obviously something about Marquette that didn't appeal to him so he made a different choice. It stands to reason that the issue wasn't Shaka -- he's showed he was willing to commit to Shaka. The issue apparently was Marquette. Not every school or program is a good fit for every kid. Best of luck to him at IU. Next man up.

[shoothoops]

Jeez. It’s just a kid choosing a college. I wish him well.

Are you new here? 

(Good luck to Tamar)

[Pakuni]

Bates was a great recruit and will be solid at IU...possibly better than any of Marquette's recruits this season (and possibly not). So what? There was obviously something about Marquette that didn't appeal to him so he made a different choice. It stands to reason that the issue wasn't Shaka -- he's showed he was willing to commit to Shaka. The issue apparently was Marquette. Not every school or program is a good fit for every kid. Best of luck to him at IU. Next man up.

Or maybe it had nothing to do with Shaka or Marquette, and Woodson and staff just did a good job selling the kid on Indiana. The kid likely chose IU because he liked it best, not because he disliked Marquette.

[MU1980]

Yes, and it isn't particularly close.

People lost their minds over guys that would have elicited a yawn if Wojo had recruited them.

Is NolongerWarriors the most angry, clueless, and judgmental poster in regards to the hiring of Shaka Smart?

Yes, and it isn't particularly close.

There are a few others that aren't fully on board with the Shaka hire and that is certainly their right to have that opinion, but Nolongerwarriors is obsessed with trying to find anything and everything that he can to try and discredit this hire. From the start I wanted Shaka over Moser, but if they had hired Moser, a proven coach like Shaka, I would have sat back and watched what he did the first few weeks and if it was anything like Shaka has done, I would certainly have been more excited about the hire and definitely would not keep posting irrelevant posts trying to tear down our new coach, who is not going anywhere anytime soon.

[StillAWarrior]

Or maybe it had nothing to do with Shaka or Marquette, and Woodson and staff just did a good job selling the kid on Indiana. The kid likely chose IU because he liked it best, not because he disliked Marquette.

I didn't necessarily intend to imply that he didn't like Marquette -- just that it didn't appeal as much as IU. But I can certainly see how my words could be interpreted that way -- not very well stated by me.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Bates at ESPN #23.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Marquette was certainly the odd school out on his final lists.

Texas, Indiana, and Kansas are all massive public schools, Marquette certainly is not that.

[CountryRoads]

Anyone know the deal with Foster? ESPN rankings are junk compared to 247, but pretty crazy to see 2 Milwaukee kids in the top 10.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Anyone know the deal with Foster? ESPN rankings are junk compared to 247, but pretty crazy to see 2 Milwaukee kids in the top 10.

Most signs point to him joining the G-League prospect team.  Jalen Green and Jonathan Kuminga both went this route and are projected top 5 picks.  The other guys in the program are lower prospects.

[Warrior Code]

I watched 2-3 of Bates full games and he’s definitely talented, but didn’t stick out in any of the ones I’ve seen. Granted, he was on a very good team but was only the 3rd option and just kind of blended in. Bates jump in the rankings (which I am assuming the OP is basing this off) from the 90s to the 50s likely was a result of his affiliation with IMG more than anything. We have multiple players signed already in his weight class, so I think it’s all just luck and other factors on who turns out better from this point.

Question:

Would we have been upset in 2013 if we missed out on JJJ (42) and instead got stuck with Zach LaVine (79)?

I'd wager there would have been a grumble or two on this site

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

I'd wager there would have been a grumble or two on this site

Of course.  People were bummed when Tyshawn Taylor decomitted and went to Kansas.  Buzz brought in a lesser known JUCO that received little fanfare. A less talented teammate of Buzz's other JUCO recruit. After midnight madness, many message board posters called the player a wasted scholarship.

That player worked hard and became a pretty good player.  His name is Jimmy Butler.

[NolongerWarriors]

Bates at ESPN #23.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings

#23, huh?

Where do Shaka's recruits to MU that everyone is drooling over rank?

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

#23, huh?

Where do Shaka's recruits to MU that everyone is drooling over rank?

Go cheer for Bucky

[Billy Hoyle]

Yes, and it isn't particularly close.

People lost their minds over guys that would have elicited a yawn if Wojo had recruited them.

Maybe. Maybe not. Let's see how they all perform on the court first. 

I had plenty of Michigan State friends who wished they'd gotten Dameon Mason instead of Shannon Brown. How did that work out?

How many of these guys would you have taken over Dwyane Wade back in 2000? Neil Fingleton? Scooter Sherrill? Jerome Harper? Brian Boddicker? Andre Barrett?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_McDonald%27s_All-American_Boys_Game

[thebigjake]

I don't understand the point of this entire thread.

[MUCam]

I don't understand the point of this entire thread.

Then you most certainly must not understand the point of Mu Scoop, where the point of everything is the pointless.

[tower912]

The point is that nlw is a pud.

  Eventually the honeymoon phase will end and the new car smell will fade.   And after the revolving door stops spinning and the roster is set, a discussion of the strengths and weaknesses of the players and coach will certainly happen.   

This guy choosing this tactic can only end poorly.

[JWags85]

How many of these guys would you have taken over Dwyane Wade back in 2000? Neil Fingleton? Scooter Sherrill? Jerome Harper? Brian Boddicker? Andre Barrett?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_McDonald%27s_All-American_Boys_Game

As of writing this, MUBB currently has zero alums who starred as giants in Game of Thrones.  We got the short end of the stick with Wade if we could have had Mag the Mighty at center

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I don't understand the point of this entire thread.

Executive Summary: A thread to allow a poster to crap on a coach whose politics he dislikes.

[Billy Hoyle]

As of writing this, MUBB currently has zero alums who starred as giants in Game of Thrones.  We got the short end of the stick with Wade if we could have had Mag the Mighty at center

we did have Chris Farley. Thought nlw would have probably complained that we lost John Belushi to SIU since Farley wasn't even on the comedy rankings coming out of HS.

[JakeBarnes]

#23, huh?

Where do Shaka's recruits to MU that everyone is drooling over rank?

[mujivitz06]

Yes, and it isn't particularly close.

People lost their minds over guys that would have elicited a yawn if Wojo had recruited them.

Are any of your posts better than any clown at the circus?

No, and it's not particularly close.

[muwarrior97]

What I've learned watching this board and the team over last TEN years, the recruiting rankings don't mean diddly squat

Who cares!!   

[avid1010]

#23, huh?

Where do Shaka's recruits to MU that everyone is drooling over rank?

Did Wojo make it to 8 NCAA's in 11 years of coaching with a FF to boot?  Why hasn't Wojo been hired yet?   In essentially 5 years at Texas Shaka made the NCAA 3x, won the NIT, and had one very poor season.  In 6 years at VCU he went to the NCAA 5 times.  Nearly everyone is pleased with Shaka thus far...but he'll obviously need to win.  Would you rather MU stayed with Wojo or were you a Moser guy?