Theo John transferring?

[Marquetteauburn]

Loved Theo adding the offensive game this year, and that he improved so much from the line. I thought he was another unappreciated mu player and thrilled for him.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Just saw on the ESPN bottom line a few minutes ago "Duke lands Marquette transfer Theo John". 

[NCMUFan]

No imagining necessary. Theo (as a basketball player) IS about 100 times worse than Davante.

Davante was the right person at the right position for Buzz's team with Otule at center.
But does anyone ever remember Davante's feet leaving the ground?
One-on-One on the court I bet Theo could take Davante apart.
Theo much more quick, could leap bounds more than Davante. 
Davante was a big body with a nice outside shot.   He worked great in Buzz's system.  Theo is an athlete.

[Lennys Tap]

Davante was the right person at the right position for Buzz's team with Otule at center.
But does anyone ever remember Davante's feet leaving the ground?
One-on-One on the court I bet Theo could take Davante apart.
Theo much more quick, could leap bounds more than Davante. 
Davante was a big body with a nice outside shot.   He worked great in Buzz's system.  Theo is an athlete.

Davante would foul Theo out before the first TV timeout.

[Pakuni]

Theo could beat up Davante.

Seriously, children, can't we just be happy for Theo instead of turning this into a pissing match?

[Uncle Rico]

Buzz called Davante "Avante" because he didn't play D.  Maybe merge the two of them to form a complete player and have Hologram Al coach them.

Different players, different coaches, different systems.

Compared them statistically on KenPom and found it interesting their minutes mirrored each other from freshmen to senior seasons.  Suppose it felt like Davante was on the court more while forgetting Buzz lineup switching through the course of games

[MU82]

Theo could beat up Davante.

Seriously, children, can't we just be happy for Theo instead of turning this into a pissing match?

Nope. Theo has 3 strikes against him: 1. Played for Wojo; 2. Wasn't a star; 3. Wasn't content to just shut up and dribble.

So Theo gets "don't let the door hit you on the way out." And Duke is taking him only as a charity case -- as they so often do with basketball players, which explains why the program hasn't been any good the last few decades.

[MuggsyB]

Buzz called Davante "Avante" because he didn't play D.  Maybe merge the two of them to form a complete player and have Hologram Al coach them.

Different players, different coaches, different systems.

Compared them statistically on KenPom and found it interesting their minutes mirrored each other from freshmen to senior seasons.  Suppose it felt like Davante was on the court more while forgetting Buzz lineup switching through the course of games

Totally different players Uncle R.  Davante was extremely skilled offensively with a soft touch.  Unfortunately he snapped his Sr. season and engaged in binge eating but he was instrumental in two very good MU tournament runs.

[tower912]

Avante couldn't guard you, Muggsy.   There is a reason that Otule usually started over him.   Watching Ox try to guard on the perimeter his senior year was particularly painful.  Made Theo, Luke, Matt, Jayce all look graceful.    Phenomenal low post scorer.   Ultimately a one trick pony.

Theo worked out in Durham after the UNC game.   K decided he wanted him.  Good luck to Theo.

[jesmu84]

Avante couldn't guard you, Muggsy.   There is a reason that Otule usually started over him.   Watching Ox try to guard on the perimeter his senior year was particularly painful.  Made Theo, Luke, Matt, Jayce all look graceful.    Phenomenal low post scorer.   Ultimately a one trick pony.

Theo worked out in Durham after the UNC game.   K decided he wanted him.  Good luck to Theo.

Really??

[MuggsyB]

Avante couldn't guard you, Muggsy.   There is a reason that Otule usually started over him.   Watching Ox try to guard on the perimeter his senior year was particularly painful.  Made Theo, Luke, Matt, Jayce all look graceful.    Phenomenal low post scorer.   Ultimately a one trick pony.

Theo worked out in Durham after the UNC game.   K decided he wanted him.  Good luck to Theo.

Why are you attacking him Tower?  And Theo couldn't score or stay on the floor while at MU.  Two different players.  But Davante had many games where he was superb on the offensive end and led us to victory.  He also amped up the crowd.  Quite simply ?  He got buckets.  I have no idea why you would discredit his success.  I wish Theo the best but do not discount Davante's impact during his time at Marquette.

[Newsdreams]

Why are you attacking him Tower?  And Theo couldn't score or stay on the floor while at MU.  Two different players.  But Davante had many games where he was superb on the offensive end and led us to victory.  He also amped up the crowd.  Quite simply ?  He got buckets.  I have no idea why you would discredit his success.  I wish Theo the best but do not discount Davante's impact during his time at Marquette.

Box score is not the story

[MuggsyB]

Box score is not the story

I'm not sure what that means.  Davante was an integral part of 3 MU teams that went S16, S16, E8.  He played on vastly superior teams than Theo did.  And yes, his defense was very poor, but he was quite valuable to our overall success including crunch time buckets and free-throws.

[Herman Cain]

Why are you attacking him Tower?  And Theo couldn't score or stay on the floor while at MU.  Two different players.  But Davante had many games where he was superb on the offensive end and led us to victory.  He also amped up the crowd.  Quite simply ?  He got buckets.  I have no idea why you would discredit his success.  I wish Theo the best but do not discount Davante's impact during his time at Marquette.

Davante was a very enjoyable player to watch during his time at MU. So many good memories.

Davante has also chosen his foreign path perfectly. Got a nice start in the French B league ( we at MU Scoop were treated to some great updates of his game by a French Fan) and then on to 6 years of consistent high production in Japan .

Super proud of what he has achieved.

[Newsdreams]

I'm not sure what that means.  Davante was an integral part of 3 MU teams that went S16, S16, E8.  He played on vastly superior teams than Theo did.  And yes, his defense was very poor, but he was quite valuable to our overall success including crunch time buckets and free-throws.

Talking bout Theo

[Newsdreams]

And I love Davante but because of lack of D he has nade his 💰 in a very weak league.

[MUfan12]

Really??

The whole team did.

[MuggsyB]

Talking bout Theo

I see...my bad.  Davante was also an extremely intelligent offensive player with terrific hands.  Had he not had eating issues he may have been able to develop some defensive skills.

[#UnleashSean]

And I love Davante but because of lack of D he has nade his 💰 in a very weak league.

FYI, the Japanese B league is their highest league. And he makes quite a bit of cash in it.

[ATL MU Warrior]

I'm not sure what that means.  Davante was an integral part of 3 MU teams that went S16, S16, E8.  He played on vastly superior teams than Theo did.  And yes, his defense was very poor, but he was quite valuable to our overall success including crunch time buckets and free-throws.

If you were building a team today and you had to choose between Theo and Davante, who would you choose? 

The correct answer is Theo and it's not close

[MUfan12]

If you were building a team today and you had to choose between Theo and Davante, who would you choose? 

The correct answer is Theo and it's not close

That team wouldn't be very good either way

[Badgerhater]

That team wouldn't be very good either way

Who coaches the team?

[tower912]

Theo is the better two-way center.   The entire team worked out at Cameron indoor.
K wanted him. 

[MuggsyB]

If you were building a team today and you had to choose between Theo and Davante, who would you choose? 

The correct answer is Theo and it's not close

I disagree and to say it's not close is ridiculous.  Davante played on much, much, better teams.  He couldn't stay on the floor more than half the game because of his defense.  But he was a weapon in the post and did a number of additional good things offensively including screening and understanding his role.

Theo is more talented, certainly a better defender and athlete, but struggled to score the basketball.  In addition his defense, while better than Davante's,  is grossly exaggerated.  The truth is he was a very mediocre defender despite being an excellent help shot blocker.  He fouled constantly, was an atrocious rebounder, and got torched constantly when he had to switch on smalls. 

The idea that he was a really good defender for us is complete nonsense if you watched the games.  So my contention is if you had literally no player that can guard the 5 on the roster you wouldn't take DG over TJ.  But if you could split Davante with a role player defender I would absolutely take him ahead of Theo.  To say "it's not close" is absurd imo.  Theo had a very pedestrian career at MU for his overall ability.

[The Sultan]

It really depends on the team you build around them.  I would rather have a guard oriented team with Theo guarding the rim than a post oriented team with Davante playing defense underneath.  Both were good in different ways.