Great article everyone should read.

[Farley36]

The funny thing about this thread is that the more the vocal Nojos complain about the article, the more it proves the writer's point.

The Nojos feel they should be able to express their opinion about Wojo's performance in the manner they choose - be it booing, or ranting on a message board, or with condescending responses to a social media post. They say, "he should be able to handle it." Sometimes they rationalize it by quoting his salary.

But the minute a writer expresses her opinion about their ways of criticizing Wojo, those same Nojos claim it's unfair for her to criticize them. And unfair for some of us to agree with her.

Interesting.

No one is saying it's unfair or she doesn't have the right.  They're saving the point she's making is stupid.  You just wanted to sound profound but you failed.

[Farley36]

That's not what she did.
You're trying way too hard to be offended.

Not as hard as she tried to be offended by all the awful messages directed at Wojo. 

[5DollarPitcher]

So other than the Liddell reference, you're totally OK with the article?

I know the article isn't perfect - and certainly could have been done without it - but I think her point stands. Do you?

Yes honestly. But I do think it just wouldn't have been written without the Liddell piece. That is the provocateur.

[YaBlueIt]

The funny thing about this thread is that the more the vocal Nojos complain about the article, the more it proves the writer's point.

The Nojos feel they should be able to express their opinion about Wojo's performance in the manner they choose - be it booing, or ranting on a message board, or with condescending responses to a social media post. They say, "he should be able to handle it." Sometimes they rationalize it by quoting his salary.

But the minute a writer expresses her opinion about their ways of criticizing Wojo, those same Nojos claim it's unfair for her to criticize them. And unfair for some of us to agree with her.

Interesting.

Ding ding ding. The people who dish out the most criticism can't take a single critique themselves. As evidenced by posts in this very thread calling a student writer a "hack" when she's just calling for less toxicity and more kindness in the way we treat each other online.

Shame.

[GooooMarquette]

No one is saying it's unfair or she doesn't have the right.  They're saving the point she's making is stupid.  You just wanted to sound profound but you failed.

You sound really bothered by the criticism. Interesting.

[Farley36]

You sound really bothered by the criticism. Bummer.

I'm not bothered at all.  I never posted a word about Wojo anywhere but scoop.  I find it hilarious how some of you are so offended by a few mean posts on Instagram and how you've projected that anyone who things the article was a massive overreaction is a fragile little snowflake.

[Uncle Rico]

Fans are idiots

[GooooMarquette]

I'm not bothered at all.  I never posted a word about Wojo anywhere but scoop.  I find it hilarious how some of you are so offended by a few mean posts on Instagram and how you've projected that anyone who things the article was a massive overreaction is a fragile little snowflake.

If you're not bothered at all, why do you keep reacting to any contrary viewpoint?

[Pakuni]

Fans are idiots

A sentiment upon which we all can agree.

[Farley36]

If you're not bothered at all, why do you keep reacting to any contrary viewpoint?

Call me crazy but it's a message board and the purpose is to discuss things.  I'll take not that I can only share GooooMarquette approved opinions from now on.

[GooooMarquette]

Call me crazy but it's a message board and the purpose is to discuss things.  I'll take not that I can only share GooooMarquette approved opinions from now on.

Gotcha. Anyhow, glad to hear the article didn't bother you.

Cheers.

[joparks]

So this is why I absolutely hate social media.  It's one of those things that when they were thinking about it, they forgot to add this kind of stuff on the potentially bad side of the ledger.  That said, as a No-Jo, I wanted the school to move on.  I also recognize that he might be a great guy (don't know him personally), may have a great family (so I've been told), and may have done a lot of good things.  While he was paid handsomely to coach here, that doesn't factor in.  I also don't believe that he purposely tried to tank the program.  No malice on his behalf.  He wanted to win and he worked hard, I truly believe that.  He just didn't get it done and that's unfortunate because had it worked out, you like to see things work for good people.  As far as I know, he's a good person.  This is why when it was announced, it wasn't a time to dunk on Steve.  Unless someone had a personal beef with him, which I doubt that was the case with all the people that chose to kick the guy when he was down, it's kind of unbecoming to rub it right in his face.  I think most people, if they were happy, it was because his dismissal meant change, meant that the results we had been seeing weren't acceptable.  I know that's the way I looked at it. 

I think when you sign up to be a coach, there are certain aspects of the job that come with the territory.  Dealing with people that have gone over the edge unfortunately is more commonplace today.  But given that, there is a point.  I think the article doesn't differentiate enough from the people calling for someone's death (unhinged anti-social clowns), and someone gloating about someone getting canned (people who lack empathy) are on opposite ends of the jackwagon spectrum. They are both fools and it's too bad this happens in society.  You never want your reaction to something be the story.  The people referenced either missed that piece of advice or don't care.  If the latter, I feel for them because I'm thinking they likely have larger problems in their lives that a missed free-throw or a coaching change aren't going to solve.

[Judge Smails]

So this is why I absolutely hate social media.  It's one of those things that when they were thinking about it, they forgot to add this kind of stuff on the potentially bad side of the ledger.  That said, as a No-Jo, I wanted the school to move on.  I also recognize that he might be a great guy (don't know him personally), may have a great family (so I've been told), and may have done a lot of good things.  While he was paid handsomely to coach here, that doesn't factor in.  I also don't believe that he purposely tried to tank the program.  No malice on his behalf.  He wanted to win and he worked hard, I truly believe that.  He just didn't get it done and that's unfortunate because had it worked out, you like to see things work for good people.  As far as I know, he's a good person.  This is why when it was announced, it wasn't a time to dunk on Steve.  Unless someone had a personal beef with him, which I doubt that was the case with all the people that chose to kick the guy when he was down, it's kind of unbecoming to rub it right in his face.  I think most people, if they were happy, it was because his dismissal meant change, meant that the results we had been seeing weren't acceptable.  I know that's the way I looked at it. 

I think when you sign up to be a coach, there are certain aspects of the job that come with the territory.  Dealing with people that have gone over the edge unfortunately is more commonplace today.  But given that, there is a point.  I think the article doesn't differentiate enough from the people calling for someone's death (unhinged anti-social clowns), and someone gloating about someone getting canned (people who lack empathy) are on opposite ends of the jackwagon spectrum. They are both fools and it's too bad this happens in society.  You never want your reaction to something be the story.  The people referenced either missed that piece of advice or don't care.  If the latter, I feel for them because I'm thinking they likely have larger problems in their lives that a missed free-throw or a coaching change aren't going to solve.

Spot on

[Jockey]

Call me crazy but it's a message board and the purpose is to discuss things.  I'll take not that I can only share GooooMarquette approved opinions from now on.

You sound a little more childish with each post. I'm expecting your next post to let us know you are now stomping your feet - really hard.

[connie]

The funny thing about this thread is that the more the vocal Nojos complain about the article, the more it proves the writer's point.

The Nojos feel they should be able to express their opinion about Wojo's performance in the manner they choose - be it booing, or ranting on a message board, or with condescending responses to a social media post. They say, "he should be able to handle it." Sometimes they rationalize it by quoting his salary.

But the minute a writer expresses her opinion about their ways of criticizing Wojo, those same Nojos claim it's unfair for her to criticize them. And unfair for some of us to agree with her.

Interesting.

Every post I have on this topic disputes the author's contention that booing and a hashtag are hateful harassment and the equivalent of racist death threats, but you go ahead and transpose that into a claim that people who don't agree with her believe they "should be able to express their opinion ...in the manner they choose."   Literally the opposite of the point being made, that there is no comparison between booing and the unacceptable death threats made to Liddell.  Continue to preach with your sense of smug superiority how the article must have struck a nerve when the only way you are able to respond to the criticism of it is to completely mischaracterize the objection.  I am just thankful that despite your delusions no one appointed you the moral arbiter of sports or all criticism, calls for replacement or snarky "byes" would be banned, leading me to ask what the hell you are doing on a fan message board to begin with?

[5DollarPitcher]

Every post I have on this topic disputes the author's contention that booing and a hashtag are hateful harassment and the equivalent of racist death threats, but you go ahead and transpose that into a claim that people who don't agree with her believe they "should be able to express their opinion ...in the manner they choose."   Literally the opposite of the point being made, that there is no comparison between booing and the unacceptable death threats made to Liddell.  Continue to preach with your sense of smug superiority how the article must have struck a nerve when the only way you are able to respond to the criticism of it is to completely mischaracterize the objection.  I am just thankful that despite your delusions no one appointed you the moral arbiter of sports or all criticism, calls for replacement or snarky "byes" would be banned, leading me to ask what the hell you are doing on a fan message board to begin with?

Some people think their role on this board is to be some form of morality police. It makes them feel big. When they don't have something to condemn, they just put words in your mouth and condemn that instead.

[GooooMarquette]

Every post I have on this topic disputes the author's contention that booing and a hashtag are hateful harassment and the equivalent of racist death threats, but you go ahead and transpose that into a claim that people who don't agree with her believe they "should be able to express their opinion ...in the manner they choose."   Literally the opposite of the point being made, that there is no comparison between booing and the unacceptable death threats made to Liddell.  Continue to preach with your sense of smug superiority how the article must have struck a nerve when the only way you are able to respond to the criticism of it is to completely mischaracterize the objection.  I am just thankful that despite your delusions no one appointed you the moral arbiter of sports or all criticism, calls for replacement or snarky "byes" would be banned, leading me to ask what the hell you are doing on a fan message board to begin with?

I am not the moral arbiter of anything. I just find it interesting that people who ripped Wojo were so triggered by the article.

Anyhow, peace.

[NolongerWarriors]

Did she really segue from Marquette fans posting "bye bye" on the Instagram announcements to the psycho that DM'd death threats to EJ Liddell?

What a hack.

Agreed.

#FireWojo is so far away from death threats that she has to have something seriously wrong with her to even think of making that comparison.

[NolongerWarriors]

I don't think the comments on Wojo's Twitter or Instagram are a great reflection on the fan base. I also think it's pretty common across NCAA.

I think talking about how Wojo is doing at the job is fine on a message board as long as it's not personally attacking him or his family. The guy is making $2M a year so his job performance is fair game.

I don't think we've crossed the line into personally attacking Wojo and his family.

I think it's a far cry from what was sent to the OSU player, but it makes sense to draw that comparison.

How does it make sense?

The gulf between "Wojo stinks and should be fired" (while he's made millions of dollars) and "I hope the kid dies" because of a missed FT is a million miles wide.

[NolongerWarriors]

Instead of "Bye Bye", how about just saying "Thanks coach, we appreciate the effort.  Best of luck in your next job."  Or say nothing at all.  I don't understand the desire by some people to kick a guy when he is down, even if that guy just got paid tons of money.

Getting paid 7 million or so isn't "being down" imo.  He is on easy street and one of the luckiest people in the world even if he never coaches again.

Someone losing his job when they live paycheck to paycheck is another matter.

[NolongerWarriors]

That's not what she did.
You're trying way too hard to be offended.

She could have easily written the column without including the Michigan player and the death threats.  Zoe invited the comparisons.

It took a column I would simply have disagreed with and made it farcical, imo.

I do find it fascinating how some here still attack Crean and Buzz to this day and now want us to leave poor Wojo alone.

[Loose Cannon]

There is an old True-ism:

"How it Acts, that's what it is  And what it is, is how it Acts.  Exhibit "A".

[MU82]

Some people think their role on this board is to be some form of morality police. It makes them feel big. When they don't have something to condemn, they just put words in your mouth and condemn that instead.

Says the guy who has named himself captain of the morality police when it comes to the Hausers ... even as he condemns Theo John for being "soft" and a student journalist for being "a hack."

Just to make sure we've all got Moral Police Captain 5DP's guidelines in proper order:

++ Absolutely not OK for Marquette fans to criticize two guys who quit on the program.

++ A-OK for Marquette fans to criticize a guy who played through injuries to give everything he had to the program for 4 years.

++ Don't rip on students! Unless I do it, then I can say my ripping wasn't really ripping, or wasn't all that bad, or some other justification to make it seem like I'm not as big a hypocrite as I obviously am.

Correct?

[cheebs09]

How does it make sense?

The gulf between "Wojo stinks and should be fired" (while he's made millions of dollars) and "I hope the kid dies" because of a missed FT is a million miles wide.

I don't disagree. I just think it makes sense a reporter would try to draw a parallel to our situation to one that is making relatively big news.

Bullying on social media is a pretty big deal and we have our own variety with Wojo. Granted, I think what Liddell received and what was presented in the article to Wojo are worlds apart. Although, we don't know the extent of what Wojo was receiving.

[5DollarPitcher]

Says the guy who has named himself captain of the morality police when it comes to the Hausers ... even as he condemns Theo John for being "soft" and a student journalist for being "a hack."

Just to make sure we've all got Moral Police Captain 5DP's guidelines in proper order:

++ Absolutely not OK for Marquette fans to criticize two guys who quit on the program.

++ A-OK for Marquette fans to criticize a guy who played through injuries to give everything he had to the program for 4 years.

++ Don't rip on students! Unless I do it, then I can say my ripping wasn't really ripping, or wasn't all that bad, or some other justification to make it seem like I'm not as big a hypocrite as I obviously am.

Correct?

My take has always been that it's weird and sick how many people follow around the Hausers 2 years after they've left the program just to bask in their failures. It makes our fanbase look like we're some jealous ex that will never get over a rough breakup.

If you can't see how that's clearly different from what I've done, I can't help you.