Marquette to change/update University Seal

[Uncle Rico]

That's just what the FBI wants you to think.

Don't look at me, that's what I heard on Tucker

[Billy Hoyle]

C'mon, you're smarter than this...aren't you?

it's to show that we can't allow trolls to co-opt something we've done for who knows how long and say "let them have it, let's call it a hate symbol and castigate all who use it." You know, like that Mexican driver in San Diego who was fired for cracking his knuckles.

https://laprensa-sandiego.org/caffertyvsdge/

but there is no evidence he had any racist intentions or even knew what the hand sign meant at the time.

Emmanuel Cafferty, 48, is now out of a job, prospective employers steer away from hiring him, and he's about to lose his apartment over one snapshot in time that led people to presume he is a white supremacist.

It seems like unfortunate situation, especially for a Latino.

All it takes is one person to be triggered. As Saint Kendi said, when it comes to racist actions, there is no intent needed, just a person interpreting something as racist (under the ADL's new definition, of course).

[The Sultan]

it's to show that we can't allow trolls to co-opt something we've done for who knows how long and say "let them have it, let's call it a hate symbol and castigate all who use it." You know, like that Mexican driver in San Diego who was fired for cracking his knuckles.

https://laprensa-sandiego.org/caffertyvsdge/

but there is no evidence he had any racist intentions or even knew what the hand sign meant at the time.

Emmanuel Cafferty, 48, is now out of a job, prospective employers steer away from hiring him, and he's about to lose his apartment over one snapshot in time that led people to presume he is a white supremacist.

It seems like unfortunate situation, especially for a Latino.

All it takes is one person to be triggered. As Saint Kendi said, when it comes to racist actions, there is no intent needed, just a person interpreting something as racist (under the ADL's new definition, of course).

That's dumb. He should have never lost his job over that.

But it shows why Nebraska wants to steer clear of the issue. It's not rocket science.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

it's to show that we can't allow trolls to co-opt something we've done for who knows how long and say "let them have it, let's call it a hate symbol and castigate all who use it." You know, like that Mexican driver in San Diego who was fired for cracking his knuckles.

https://laprensa-sandiego.org/caffertyvsdge/

but there is no evidence he had any racist intentions or even knew what the hand sign meant at the time.

Emmanuel Cafferty, 48, is now out of a job, prospective employers steer away from hiring him, and he's about to lose his apartment over one snapshot in time that led people to presume he is a white supremacist.

It seems like unfortunate situation, especially for a Latino.

All it takes is one person to be triggered. As Saint Kendi said, when it comes to racist actions, there is no intent needed, just a person interpreting something as racist (under the ADL's new definition, of course).

Now you are going to argue from an anecdote? Yes, if he was innocently making the gesture a terrible mistake was made. If he was innocent.

But a single anecdote vs. the white nationalists proudly using the gesture as a white power signal? Thousands of apples vs. one orange. But you knew that. Just as you knew NBA players  making a three-point gesture was a disingenuous argument.

[Pakuni]

it's to show that we can't allow trolls to co-opt something we've done for who knows how long and say "let them have it, let's call it a hate symbol and castigate all who use it." You know, like that Mexican driver in San Diego who was fired for cracking his knuckles.

https://laprensa-sandiego.org/caffertyvsdge/

but there is no evidence he had any racist intentions or even knew what the hand sign meant at the time.

Emmanuel Cafferty, 48, is now out of a job, prospective employers steer away from hiring him, and he's about to lose his apartment over one snapshot in time that led people to presume he is a white supremacist.

It seems like unfortunate situation, especially for a Latino.

All it takes is one person to be triggered. As Saint Kendi said, when it comes to racist actions, there is no intent needed, just a person interpreting something as racist (under the ADL's new definition, of course).

Sounds like Mr. Cafferty may have gotten screwed.
And his story has nothing to do with a university making a minor tweak to its mascot.

[Billy Hoyle]

Now you are going to argue from an anecdote? Yes, if he was innocently making the gesture a terrible mistake was made. If he was innocent.

But a single anecdote vs. the white nationalists proudly using the gesture as a white power signal? Thousands of apples vs. one orange. But you knew that. Just as you knew NBA players  making a three-point gesture was a disingenuous argument.

no, it's an example of how the woke have immediately rushed to demonize something and cancel individuals over an obvious troll.

Instead of saying "this is BS, don't let them win" it "let them have it and anyone who makes that symbol is an obvious racist and must be dealt with accordingly" When virtue signaling leads to the firing of innocent people, or the firing/disciplining of people for things they wrote on social media when they were kids, or what happened to the Jeopardy guy, it's gone to far and makes progressives look foolish and out of touch (see: last Friday's Real Time with Bill Maher).

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/stop-firing-innocent/613615/
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/jeopardy-slammed-winner-alleged-white-power-hand-gesture-4175660/

[Pakuni]

no, it's an example of how the woke have immediately rushed to demonize something and cancel individuals over an obvious troll.

Anecdote is not the singular for data.

[Galway Eagle]

no, it's an example of how the woke have immediately rushed to demonize something and cancel individuals over an obvious troll.

Instead of saying "this is BS, don't let them win" it "let them have it and anyone who makes that symbol is an obvious racist and must be dealt with accordingly" When virtue signaling leads to the firing of innocent people, or the firing/disciplining of people for things they wrote on social media when they were kids, or what happened to the Jeopardy guy, it's gone to far and makes progressives look foolish and out of touch (see: last Friday's Real Time with Bill Maher).

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/stop-firing-innocent/613615/
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/jeopardy-slammed-winner-alleged-white-power-hand-gesture-4175660/

Wait one of these peoples daughter wrote the posts and was high level management. Sorry but companies have been canceled for less. Where do you think a 14yr old learned it?

The other two are awful and I'd love to be an attorney near them for a wrongful termination lawsuit.

[The Sultan]

no, it's an example of how the woke have immediately rushed to demonize something and cancel individuals over an obvious troll.

Instead of saying "this is BS, don't let them win" it "let them have it and anyone who makes that symbol is an obvious racist and must be dealt with accordingly" When virtue signaling leads to the firing of innocent people, or the firing/disciplining of people for things they wrote on social media when they were kids, or what happened to the Jeopardy guy, it's gone to far and makes progressives look foolish and out of touch (see: last Friday's Real Time with Bill Maher).

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/stop-firing-innocent/613615/
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/jeopardy-slammed-winner-alleged-white-power-hand-gesture-4175660/

You seem to be a lot more mad at "virtue signaling woke liberals" for ruining a meaningless hand gesture than you are at white supremecists.  Which is something.

[Uncle Rico]

"Woke" 😂

[JWags85]

You seem to be a lot more mad at "virtue signaling woke liberals" for ruining a meaningless hand gesture than you are at white supremecists.  Which is something.

Whats there to be "mad" at white supremacists about in this case?  That they adopted a troll as their own?  Of all the awful sh** they've been involved with recently, this barely merits mention.  Yet, while its died down, it seemed monthly there was a story of someone of note making the gesture and people getting bothered by it.

My aunt, who was a middle school teacher, always said she was never annoyed by the class clown acting out.  It was an idiot immature kid (who could be dealt with otherwise).  She got annoyed with the other "normal" kids who fed into it and gave the clown agency.  If people didn't get in a huff about the signal and give it undue attention, the Proud Boys would have moved on. (shrug)

(FWIW I used to have the black and yellow polo the PBs co-opted.  I hope an adventurous member found and made use of it at Goodwill  )

[The Sultan]

Whats there to be "mad" at white supremacists about in this case?  That they adopted a troll as their own?  Of all the awful sh** they've been involved with recently, this barely merits mention.  Yet, while its died down, it seemed monthly there was a story of someone of note making the gesture and people getting bothered by it.

My aunt, who was a middle school teacher, always said she was never annoyed by the class clown acting out.  It was an idiot immature kid (who could be dealt with otherwise).  She got annoyed with the other "normal" kids who fed into it and gave the clown agency.  If people didn't get in a huff about the signal and give it undue attention, the Proud Boys would have moved on. (shrug)

(FWIW I used to have the black and yellow polo the PBs co-opted.  I hope an adventurous member found and made use of it at Goodwill  )

But people do get in a huff about it. Which is why Nebraska changed their logo. People get in a huff about all sorts of things, no matter the political spectrum.

I just think it's weird that people are saying "it's the woke liberals that are the problem" instead of saying "too bad white supremecists are making us change the logo." 

IMO Billy, Heisey and NLW are vilifying the wrong people. But that's what the hyper-partisan do when fighting the culture war.

[JWags85]

But people do get in a huff about it. Which is why Nebraska changed their logo. People get in a huff about all sorts of things, no matter the political spectrum.

I just think it's weird that people are saying "it's the woke liberals that are the problem" instead of saying "too bad white supremecists are making us change the logo." 

IMO Billy, Heisey and NLW are vilifying the wrong people. But that's what the hyper-partisan do when fighting the culture war.

Fair enough.  I guess I wish there wasn't so much reactionary action and thought to the lunatic fringes.  Be it people who spell it "womyn" or the insane conservative religious types or "capitalism is just cover for murder" or "all taxation is theft".  I think both sides of this particular argument are ridiculous.  One group is just repugnant and the other is obnoxious but masquerading as "well intentioned"

[TSmith34, Inc.]

no, it's an example of how the woke have immediately rushed to demonize something and cancel individuals over an obvious troll.

If by "rushed to demonize something" you mean called out white supremacists doing white supremacist things, OK then.

Instead of saying "this is BS, don't let them win" it "let them have it and anyone who makes that symbol is an obvious racist and must be dealt with accordingly" When virtue signaling leads to the firing of innocent people, or the firing/disciplining of people for things they wrote on social media when they were kids, or what happened to the Jeopardy guy, it's gone to far and makes progressives look foolish and out of touch (see: last Friday's Real Time with Bill Maher).

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/stop-firing-innocent/613615/
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/jeopardy-slammed-winner-alleged-white-power-hand-gesture-4175660/

You continue to argue from anecdote, much like a former poster here. In addition to being the world's greatest dad, he appears to have been quite the teacher as well.

But more importantly, all your anger is focused not on the racist white supremacists, but on the people calling out the racist white supremacists. Quite curious. Why is that? Why isn't your umbrage directed at the people doing the white supremacist thing?

[JWags85]

If by "rushed to demonize something" you mean called out white supremacists doing white supremacist things, OK then.

"white surpremecist things" is making a hand motion?  When I think of "white supremecy things" I think of hate crimes or protesting minority causes or campaigning to take back America to its supposed white roots....not a random hand motion that took on meaning overnight.  We're not talking about the Heil Hitler motion.  Nobody is arguing in favor of white surpremecists.  Its that they suddenly been given such agency that something they picked up, originally created as a troll, is now deemed abominable by mere loose association.

It just feels like hitting the button of "immediately broad brush cause F white supremacy" instead of actually thinking about it.  Or better yet ignoring it.  I'm sure Westboro Baptist Church has a bunch of hand signals or sayings they'd cling to, but everyone just rolls their eyes at their BS and goes on with their lives.

[Pakuni]

But more importantly, all your anger is focused not on the racist white supremacists, but on the people calling out the racist white supremacists. Quite curious. Why is that? Why isn't your umbrage directed at the people doing the white supremacist thing?

True story ... there was a time when a bunch of Black athletes protested police brutality, and instead of being upset about police brutality, lots of people got mad at the athletes for speaking out.

[🏀]

I don't think it's fair that Hitler got to ruin the full arm and finger extended point.

[MU82]

I don't think it's fair that Hitler got to ruin the full arm and finger extended point.

Everybody knows he was good at the beginning, but he just went too far.

[Pakuni]

I don't think it's fair that Hitler got to ruin the full arm and finger extended point.

If people would have just ignored him and not made such a big deal about it, he'd have just gone away.

[JWags85]

If people would have just ignored him and not made such a big deal about it, he'd have just gone away.

Whose shifting goalposts now? Nobody is saying white supremacists  would have "gone away" but the stupid hand gesture certainly would have.

But we get it, you clearly think the offense is merited and all actions pertaining to it are a-ok so everyone who thinks differently is just a slippery slope fallacy fanatic worthy of mockery 👌🏼.  WHOOPS!...🤙🏼🤙🏼

[Pakuni]

Whose shifting goalposts now? Nobody is saying white supremacists  would have "gone away" but the stupid hand gesture certainly would have.

But we get it, you clearly think the offense is merited and all actions pertaining to it are a-ok so everyone who thinks differently is just a slippery slope fallacy fanatic worthy of mockery 👌🏼.  WHOOPS!...🤙🏼🤙🏼

[MU82]

Hitler ... there was a painter. He could paint an entire apartment in one afternoon. Two coats!

[JWags85]

Oh I got the "joke".  Clearly referring to the idea that the stupid hand signal should have been ignored, instead of treated like a nouveau swastika.  But if you really weren't meaning that AT ALL and it was just a simple lol on a vacuum? Ooooookkkk

[MU82]

Whoopi Goldberg suspended for two weeks by ABC for saying the Holocaust was "not about race. It's about man's inhumanity to man."

From WaPo:

Goldberg's comments on Monday came as the panel discussed a Tennessee school district's decision to ban the graphic novel "Maus," citing nudity and profanity it deemed inappropriate. The Pulitzer-winning book zones in on the horrors of the Holocaust, including the killing of children, Nazi gas chambers and forced labor.

Six million European Jews were systematically killed by the Nazis and their collaborators during World War II, including an estimated 1.5 million children — and Holocaust remembrance and anti-hate groups quickly jumped in to denounce Goldberg's comments.

"Racism was central to Nazi ideology," the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum tweeted Monday. "Jews were not defined by religion, but by race. Nazi racist beliefs fueled genocide and mass murder."

Jonathan Greenblatt, chief executive of the Anti-Defamation League, tweeted to Goldberg that the Holocaust "was about the Nazi's systematic annihilation of the Jewish people — who they deemed to be an inferior race. They dehumanized them and used this racist propaganda to justify slaughtering 6 million Jews. Holocaust distortion is dangerous."

Late Monday, Goldberg apologized, tweeting to her 1.6 million followers: "On today's show, I said the Holocaust 'is not about race, but about man's inhumanity to man.' I should have said it is about both. ... The Jewish people around the world have always had my support and that will never waiver. I'm sorry for the hurt I have caused."

[4everwarriors]

I'm offended. The unmitigated gall to use a surname like Goldberg and then spit out chit like this is beyond repair. Anyone who wasn't asleep in History 101 realizes the Holocaust was Hitler's attempt at genocide of an entire race, hey?