Marquette to change/update University Seal

[MUBurrow]

Redefining the "ok" symbol as white power really gained momentum when the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) proclaimed it a symbol of hate.

If this is good enough for you to ban it, then let's not stop at this symbol.  Let's ban all the ADL symbols of hate.  They have hundreds of them.  You're not allowed to pick and close ... because you would be tolerating some racist/hate symbols.  All or none.

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Wow you are really playing the hits here.

Re first bolded - they didn't "proclaim" anything a "symbol of hate." You are misusing the language to serve your point.  They created a database of symbols that jackasses use in a hateful way.  They aren't saying that everyone who uses it is one of those jackasses.

The second bold is a complete straw man you made up.  No one "banned" anything.  A major organization thought that enough people appropriated a symbol for a bad reason, the symbol that meant relatively little to the organization, so they changed what they used.  You can still run around using the ok symbol all you want.  No one from the University of Nebraska is going to throw you in jail.

[MU82]

The next thing you know they'll ban smiling because the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys smile a lot while they're plotting their violent coup attempts!

[The Sultan]

The swastica traces back 7000 years.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/history-of-the-swastika

But in this case, it was not a few fringe people that appropriated it.  It did not start as a joke.  It was a symbol of a global movement that redefined humanity (for the worse).  So, in this case, it does take on a different meaning.

Drawing a moral equivalency between the swastica and a 4chan joke about a white power symbol is not remotely the same thing, the worst kind of whataboutism.

Actually it was an analogy...not whataboutism.

And typing hundreds of words (and bolding a few of them) because a university you are not a fan of slightly changed their athletics logo to make sure that people don't think Herbie is about white power is....a choice.

Again, this isn't a big deal.  You are trying so hard to make it one.

[The Sultan]

Redefining the "ok" symbol as white power really gained momentum when the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) proclaimed it a symbol of hate.

If this is good enough for you to ban it, then let's not stop at this symbol.  Let's ban all the ADL symbols of hate.  They have hundreds of them.  You're not allowed to pick and close ... because you would be tolerating some racist/hate symbols.  All or none.

Some examples.

https://www.adl.org/hate-symbols

100%
100% is shorthand for "100% white" among white supremacists. It is also common to create alphanumeric variations to proclaim solidarity with a particular white supremacist group or gang, such as "112%" for "100% Aryan Brotherhood."

So the next time a coach says a player gave a 100% effort, he is a racist.  Because he said he gave a 100% white effort.

12
The number 12 is a numeric symbol for Aryan Brotherhood groups (as are the numbers 1 and 2 separately), especially the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas. Substituting letters for numbers, 12 equals AB, i.e., Aryan Brotherhood.

13
The number 13 is a numeric symbol for the Aryan Circle, the large Texas-based racist prison gang. Substituting letters for numbers, 1 and 3 equals A and C, i.e., AC or Aryan Circle.

14
14 is numerical shorthand for the white supremacist slogan known as the "14 Words": "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."

Should MUBB ban the use of all these numbers? 

Nobody is "banning" anything.  Nebraska didn't "ban" the Herbie logo.  They changed it - which is their right to do.

Again, slippery slope and shifting goalposts.

[cheebs09]

Wouldn't they not want their mascot referencing Oklahoma anyways.

Unless the "OK" sign is part of the fabric of the university, I'm not sure the big deal.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

The white supremacists did not change its meaning, the woke left did.  The woke wanted to show their moral superiority over society and they changed its meaning, rationalizing this move because a few insignificant fringe people started to use it with a different meaning.

Not even sure how you get through this cognitive dissonance. White nationalists--Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, III Percenters, etc.-- started using it as a white power symbol...but it was "the woke left" that changed the meaning?

[Heisenberg]

Not even sure how you get through this cognitive dissonance. White nationalists--Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, III Percenters, etc.-- started using it as a white power symbol...but it was "the woke left" that changed the meaning?

The woke left took a small insignificant minority and decided that they matter and therefore accepted their definition of the ok symbol and demanded everyone adhere to this definition and act on it.

[Hards Alumni]

The woke left took a small insignificant minority and decided that they matter and therefore accepted their definition of the ok symbol and demanded everyone adhere to this definition and act on it.

You should probably drone on about it endlessly.

It offended enough people that it was time for a change.

Find the next outrage du jour.

[The Sultan]

The woke left took a small insignificant minority and decided that they matter and therefore accepted their definition of the ok symbol and demanded everyone adhere to this definition and act on it.

https://nypost.com/2022/01/30/nebraska-alters-herbie-husker-cartoon-over-white-supremacy/

"The concern about the hand gesture was brought to our attention by our apparel provider and others, and we decided to move forward with a revised Herbie Husker logo," Nebraska Athletics said in a statement to the Associated Press. "The process of changing the logo began in 2020, and we updated our brand guidelines in July of 2021. The revised logo is now the only Herbie Husker mark available to licensees."

...

"The Anti-Defamation League had listed the OK gesture in its hate symbol list.

"A common hand gesture that a 4chan trolling campaign claimed in 2017 had been appropriated as a symbol meaning 'white power.' Used by many on the right — not just extremists — for the purpose of trolling liberals, the symbol eventually came to be used by actual white supremacists as well. Caution must be used in evaluating instances of this symbol's use," the ADL says."


Yes....the "woke liberals" in change of licensing companies and the Anti-Defamation League. 

[MUBurrow]

The woke left took a small insignificant minority and decided that they matter and therefore accepted their definition of the ok symbol and demanded everyone adhere to this definition and act on it.

ok boomer

[Billy Hoyle]

The next thing you know they'll ban smiling because the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys smile a lot while they're plotting their violent coup attempts!

"coup attempt." Ok....

[MU82]

"coup attempt." Ok....

coup: a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.

Which is exactly what the attackers attempted, after being incited into action by their ruler and his sycophants. All based on a lie they continue telling to this day.

Thankfully, they didn't succeed ... even if they did succeed in injuring about 150 police officers. But interesting ... the "law and order" people don't seem to care about those cops.

Hang Mike Pence!

[TSmith34, Inc.]

The woke left took a small insignificant minority and decided that they matter and therefore accepted their definition of the ok symbol and demanded everyone adhere to this definition and act on it.

So it's not the people who took the symbol and said it represented white power, it's the fault of the people that called them out on it? Got ya.

Is your small minority still insignificant when the President of the United States calls them "good people"? When U.S. Representatives openly align with white nationalists and speak at their events? When the President tells them to "stand by"? When the ex-President endorses a candidate that literally said, "Hitler was right?

[Spotcheck Billy]

I guess Heisenberg made parole again

[Billy Hoyle]

https://nypost.com/2022/01/30/nebraska-alters-herbie-husker-cartoon-over-white-supremacy/

"The concern about the hand gesture was brought to our attention by our apparel provider and others, and we decided to move forward with a revised Herbie Husker logo," Nebraska Athletics said in a statement to the Associated Press. "The process of changing the logo began in 2020, and we updated our brand guidelines in July of 2021. The revised logo is now the only Herbie Husker mark available to licensees."

...

"The Anti-Defamation League had listed the OK gesture in its hate symbol list.

"A common hand gesture that a 4chan trolling campaign claimed in 2017 had been appropriated as a symbol meaning 'white power.' Used by many on the right — not just extremists — for the purpose of trolling liberals, the symbol eventually came to be used by actual white supremacists as well. Caution must be used in evaluating instances of this symbol's use," the ADL says."


Yes....the "woke liberals" in change of licensing companies and the Anti-Defamation League. 

damn white supremacist right here.



The pathetic part of this whole thing is that the wokesters are letting the right's trolling win and change the way normal people act. Are we supposed to digitally alter photos of Travis throwing up that symbol after three pointers now that the left wing ALD has declared if a "hate symbol." The same ADL that changed the definition of racism?

[The Sultan]

damn white supremacist right here.



The pathetic part of this whole thing is that the wokesters are letting the right's trolling win and change the way normal people act. Are we supposed to digitally alter photos of Travis throwing up that symbol after three pointers now that the left wing ALD has declared if a "hate symbol." The same ADL that changed the definition of racism?

No.  And it wasn't a Travis thing anyway - it was a Vander Blue era thing.

Again, this is just altering an athletic logo to avoid controversy.  I have no idea why this is a big deal in anyone's eyes.  If you want to continue to use the hand gesture, go ahead.  No one is banning it.  What Nebraska is doing with Herbie doesn't infringe upon you in any manner.

[NolongerWarriors]

I just don't agree with that. Changing the hand symbol used by a cartoon mascot is just a very inconsequential thing to do. Might as well do it.

Not everything is a culture war.

If it's so meaningless and inconsequential, then why do it?

Same story over and over and over.  The Left does something like this (changing symbol, mascot, etc), the Right reacts, and the Left says "why are you reacting, it was meaningless."

Fact of the matter is the Left always fires the first shot in a culture battle and expects the Right to just go along.

[The Sultan]

Fact of the matter is the Left always fires the first shot in a culture battle and expects the Right to just go along.

Which of course is the exact opposite of reality in this case but whatever.

Why do you care anyway?  It's not your alma mater or has any impact on your life.

[rocket surgeon]

coup: a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.

Which is exactly what the attackers attempted, after being incited into action by their ruler and his sycophants. All based on a lie they continue telling to this day.

Thankfully, they didn't succeed ... even if they did succeed in injuring about 150 police officers. But interesting ... the "law and order" people don't seem to care about those cops.

Hang Mike Pence!

this is absolutely delusional-you're better than this...i thought.  there is so much going on during that jan 6 thingy but the powers will not allow anyone to see over 10,000 hours of video.  put ray epps on the stand under oath

[Uncle Rico]

this is absolutely delusional-you're better than this...i thought.  there is so much going on during that jan 6 thingy but the powers will not allow anyone to see over 10,000 hours of video.  put ray epps on the stand under oath

I heard ANTIFA was behind it anyway. 

[tower912]

I agree.  Get Epps under oath.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

damn white supremacist right here.



The pathetic part of this whole thing is that the wokesters are letting the right's trolling win and change the way normal people act. Are we supposed to digitally alter photos of Travis throwing up that symbol after three pointers now that the left wing ALD has declared if a "hate symbol." The same ADL that changed the definition of racism?

C'mon, you're smarter than this...aren't you?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

that jan 6 thingy

[MU82]

this is absolutely delusional-you're better than this...i thought.  there is so much going on during that jan 6 thingy but the powers will not allow anyone to see over 10,000 hours of video.  put ray epps on the stand under oath

And your hero is doing it again ... inciting his easily conned, white supremacist sheeple into violent acts on his behalf if and when he is ever convicted of the many crimes he has committed:

"If these radical, vicious, racist prosecutors do anything wrong or illegal, I hope we are going to have in this country the biggest protest we have ever had in Washington, D.C., in New York, in Atlanta and elsewhere because our country and our elections are corrupt."

Get out the nooses, kids, it's time to Hang Mike Pence again!

[Pakuni]

I heard ANTIFA was behind it anyway.

That's just what the FBI wants you to think.