Marquette to change/update University Seal

[Jay Bee]

Some people don't like the Catholic church. I feel MU should shut down ASAP. Demolish everything & plant a community garden full of chickpeas — but only after changing the offensive name "chickpeas".

[The Sultan]

It's obvious a balance.  In my experience, there really isn't an objective number, but you know it when you see it.

[BrewCity83]

It's obvious a balance.  In my experience, there really isn't an objective number, but you know it when you see it.

So in the case of the MU seal, I don't see it.  Do you?

[The Sultan]

So in the case of the MU seal, I don't see it.  Do you?

Yes.  It has been brought up multiple times and the latest move was based on a petition that collected 300+ signatures.

https://marquettewire.org/4034059/news/marquette-student-starts-petition-to-change-university-seal/

And, as I have been saying, it is such a minimal thing to do.

[jesmu84]

Yes.  It has been brought up multiple times and the latest move was based on a petition that collected 300+ signatures.

https://marquettewire.org/4034059/news/marquette-student-starts-petition-to-change-university-seal/

And, as I have been saying, it is such a minimal thing to do.

First, they came for the mascot, and I did nothing

Then, they came for the nickname, and I did nothing

Then they came for the seal, and I did nothing

...

[WhiteTrash]

Anyone who doesn't understand that all white people are racist are living in a cave. Denying your racism only further proves how racist you are.   

[Hards Alumni]

Devils advocate, is this a blanket rule?  No matter what the issue or how small?

My alma mater had an issue a few years ago.  A sorority had a formal at an African American Heritage museum.  An niche AA student group (<10 members) on campus raised a protest due to the sorority and my alma mater's predominant white demographic (though the event chair who organized it was herself AA and no members of the student group were in said sorority).

I'm not saying this "scares the hell out of me" or the like.  And I'm not trying to say its some slippery slope, but I am genuinely curious the perception of "just change it" thinking whenever a group signals offense as a blanket sentiment.

Was the formal moved to another location?  Was it always there?  Did the event chair speak with the offended AA student group?  Was her opinion swayed?

I get what you're saying, and I don't know where the true threshold is, but obviously the seal is offensive enough to be discussed every year or two... let's just change what is obvious. 

Plus it's ugly anyway.

[21Jumpstreet]

It's really interesting what we choose to get upset about, often times things that rightly or wrongly affect us in no way. The call to change the seal isn't some eroding of culture, religion, our university, my whiteness, something the belongs to me, it is the increase of visibility, understanding, and respect of someone/something else. It's not a pie, I am not losing anything, it's like baking another pie to share. More respect means more respect.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

This is the Twitter Universe. A few vocal people search for something to be offended by and raise a ruckus that implies they are a large number.   Maybe somebody can rustle up a dude who is offended by the stereotypical Jesuit garb as well to add to the fray

[Pakuni]

This is the Twitter Universe. A few vocal people search for something to be offended by and raise a ruckus that implies they are a large number.   Maybe somebody can rustle up a dude who is offended by the stereotypical Jesuit garb as well to add to the fray

Worse yet, they can rouse up the kind of people who get offended (or scared like hell) by a change to a university seal.

[tower912]

Old people hate change.    I look at that seal and think it looks like tourist trap kitsch.

[The Sultan]

This is the Twitter Universe. A few vocal people search for something to be offended by and raise a ruckus that implies they are a large number.   Maybe somebody can rustle up a dude who is offended by the stereotypical Jesuit garb as well to add to the fray

Yeah this doesn't really happen. But it makes people feel good.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Put this bad boy on the seal and be done with it

[Hards Alumni]

That's a helluva 5 head he's got.

But yeah, I'd just put some symbols and phrases.  Leave people out of it entirely.

[Sir Lawrence]

Old people hate change.   

You haven't met my 18 month old granddaughter who is transitioning from bottle to sippy cup.

[Uncle Rico]

You haven't met my 18 month old granddaughter who is transitioning from bottle to sippy cup.

The similarities between infants/toddlers and geriatrics are remarkable

[🏀]

Put this bad boy on the seal and be done with it

Why hipster Batman?

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Worse yet, they can rouse up the kind of people who get offended (or scared like hell) by a change to a university seal.

  Pakuni  changing the seal makes no difference to me. I just grow weary listening to the chronically aggrieved. Back in the day these persons would have been told  "to get a life"  Now anyone can spout any kind of insult when years gone by they would have merited a knuckle sandwich.  We have become a cruder society and not unlike a dog chasing his tail while giving credence to every perceived slight/

[Hards Alumni]

  Pakuni  changing the seal makes no difference to me. I just grow weary listening to the chronically aggrieved. Back in the day these persons would have been told  "to get a life"  Now anyone can spout any kind of insult when years gone by they would have merited a knuckle sandwich.  We have become a cruder society and not unlike a dog chasing his tail while giving credence to every perceived slight/

Take a hike, snowflake!

But for real, if you're putting your emotional or mental energy into this and you're offended on behalf of a seal... maybe just let it go.

[The Sultan]

  Pakuni  changing the seal makes no difference to me. I just grow weary listening to the chronically aggrieved. Back in the day these persons would have been told  "to get a life"  Now anyone can spout any kind of insult when years gone by they would have merited a knuckle sandwich.

Is that...a good thing???  It seems to me that telling people to "get a life" or "get over it" has probably caused more problems than it has solved.  If you don't properly listen to people and attempt to address their concerns, they are likely to be louder and more aggressive about it the next time.

We have become a cruder society and not unlike a dog chasing his tail while giving credence to every perceived slight/

So we had a less cruel society when we told people their feelings didn't matter?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

  Pakuni  changing the seal makes no difference to me. I just grow weary listening to the chronically aggrieved. Back in the day these persons would have been told  "to get a life"  Now anyone can spout any kind of insult when years gone by they would have merited a knuckle sandwich.  We have become a cruder society and not unlike a dog chasing his tail while giving credence to every perceived slight/

You must have HATED the former President then, I imagine.

[JWags85]

Was the formal moved to another location?  Was it always there?  Did the event chair speak with the offended AA student group?  Was her opinion swayed?

I get what you're saying, and I don't know where the true threshold is, but obviously the seal is offensive enough to be discussed every year or two... let's just change what is obvious. 

Plus it's ugly anyway.

Just to tie up the loose end.

It was not moved.  It wasn't always there, a lot of the formals moved location year to year based on availability, cost, dates, etc... The event chair was going to meet with the group, but when it was clear that the formal wasn't going to be moved, they declined and claimed it wouldn't be a good faith meeting, so who knows.

The seal is whatever.  I don't think its current or beloved enough to be truly defended in good faith. 

[Pakuni]

  Pakuni  changing the seal makes no difference to me. I just grow weary listening to the chronically aggrieved. Back in the day these persons would have been told  "to get a life"  Now anyone can spout any kind of insult when years gone by they would have merited a knuckle sandwich.  We have become a cruder society and not unlike a dog chasing his tail while giving credence to every perceived slight/

We have become a cruder society, says the guy who longs for the day when complaints of harmful racial stereotypes were met with a well-deserved knuckle sandwich.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

So we had a less cruel society when we told people their feelings didn't matter?
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   So who are the snowflakes ?   The world has always been a cruel one and telling someone their concern is wacky is hardly that. My concern is that some are running around looking for something to affront them.
The seal controversy is a symptom.   While not a very attractive emblem ,it seems the Pere M. portion is a Rorschach test for some.

[Hards Alumni]

So we had a less cruel society when we told people their feelings didn't matter?


   So who are the snowflakes ?   The world has always been a cruel one and telling someone their concern is wacky is hardly that. My concern is that some are running around looking for something to affront them.
The seal controversy is a symptom.   While not a very attractive emblem ,it seems the Pere M. portion is a Rorschach test for some.

Have you considered...  That your concern is the wacky one?