Porter Moser should be the guy

[MarquetteMike1977]

Ted Davis voice of the Bucks I Believe Tweeted.
Memo to Marquette grab the I-Pass Ramble South on I-94 go visit Sister Jean and see if she will put in a good word to Porter Moser! Jesuit to Jesuit.

[dgies9156]

Everyone of you guys out there is looking at Porter Moser through Blue and Gold glasses. I appreciate the enthusiasm but lets try looking at this situation from Moser's current situation.

1) Moser already has accomplished more than any Marquette coach since Tom Crean and could do it again this year. He's in a conference where he has proven he both can recruit to win and to be a regular winner in the NCAA.

2) As a Loyola MBA, I'm sorry to say this, but Porter Moser will NOT win the NCAA Championship at Loyola. Not this year. Not ever. At some point, talent takes over and the Final Four usually is that point.

3) The only reason Porter Moser leaves is if he has a platform that would enable him to up his game with better recruits, better resources, and a capability to be National Champions. That's why he did not go to St. John's a few years ago and why DePaul won't win his services. I could see Indiana, maybe Minnesota as options if that's what he wanted.

Given Items 2 and 3, from his perspective, I question whether Marquette, right now, is enough of a step-up to put him in a position to recruit the talent necessary to be national champions. The core talent here now and signed for next year may be better than anything he's coached in awhile but it's probably not good enough without a lot of work for Marquette under Moser to contend for a national title.

For this reason, I don't think Moser is coming to Marquette. That and he's a die0hard Chicago guy.

[JWags85]

Ted Davis voice of the Bucks I Believe Tweeted.
Memo to Marquette grab the I-Pass Ramble South on I-94 go visit Sister Jean and see if she will put in a good word to Porter Moser! Jesuit to Jesuit.

I like Ted Davis as a radio PBP guy, but as someone who listens to him a fair bit on his radio show...he doesn't know much at all about CBB.  He's painful when talking about it

[marquette20]

Everyone of you guys out there is looking at Porter Moser through Blue and Gold glasses. I appreciate the enthusiasm but lets try looking at this situation from Moser's current situation.

1) Moser already has accomplished more than any Marquette coach since Tom Crean and could do it again this year. He's in a conference where he has proven he both can recruit to win and to be a regular winner in the NCAA.

2) As a Loyola MBA, I'm sorry to say this, but Porter Moser will NOT win the NCAA Championship at Loyola. Not this year. Not ever. At some point, talent takes over and the Final Four usually is that point.

3) The only reason Porter Moser leaves is if he has a platform that would enable him to up his game with better recruits, better resources, and a capability to be National Champions. That's why he did not go to St. John's a few years ago and why DePaul won't win his services. I could see Indiana, maybe Minnesota as options if that's what he wanted.

Given Items 2 and 3, from his perspective, I question whether Marquette, right now, is enough of a step-up to put him in a position to recruit the talent necessary to be national champions. The core talent here now and signed for next year may be better than anything he's coached in awhile but it's probably not good enough without a lot of work for Marquette under Moser to contend for a national title.

For this reason, I don't think Moser is coming to Marquette. That and he's a die0hard Chicago guy.

Do you think Minnesota is a better job than Marquette? They had success in the 90s but got nothing but a vacated final four to show for it. Definitely think Indiana offers most visibility and easier to recruit to for Moser than any job available but I think Marquette offers Moser a path to yearly tourneys and he's proven when he gets in he can do damage.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Reasonable.

Coach Ditka it is then, my friends!

This might be the first thing we have ever agreed on.  Ditka to MU.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

There are viable candidates that have had success in the NCAA tournament. Why aren't you concerned that Craig Smith has never won a tournament game?

Because winning in the tournament is a terrible measure for projecting successful high major coaches.

Furthermore, why aren't you concerned that Smith's head coaching jobs have only been in the Dakotas and Utah? Those areas aren't exactly hotbeds for recruiting Big East talent.

Because when he was in the Dakotas he didn't just recruit the Dakotas. He recruited Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Illinois heavily. And at Utah he hasn't just recruited Utah, he's actually become an expert in international recruiting, pulling kids from Russia, Australia, and Canada. Also because in his three years at Utah St, he's recruited 5 out of the 10 highest rated recruits in school history per 247.

[willie warrior]

Starting to hear some rumors/speculation that I4 is interested in Moser. Dont know how much of that to believe. But we should know in two weeks or less how much Moser "covets" the MU gig. Meanwhile, the sentiment should be Screw I4.

[MU82]

Mini? Or full-sized?

Regular Ditka might be unfair to the rest of the Big East, so we should take mercy on those pitiful chumps and go with Mini Ditka.

My friend.

[MU82]

My son, an Illinois alum, texted me: "Unbelievable. We got severely outcoached."

[dgies9156]

My son, an Illinois alum, texted me: "Unbelievable. We got severely outcoached."

Well, Duh!

Illinois had more and deeper talent. Loyola planned and executed.

[MU82]

Well, Duh!

Illinois had more and deeper talent. Loyola planned and executed.

Yeah, I wasn't trying to present it as deep analysis that couldn't be found anywhere else. I was just presenting it as an Illinois guy who noted Underwood's shortcomings even as Underwood has gotten praise from all quarters, as well as the job Moser did.

[tower912]

Starting to hear some rumors/speculation that I4 is interested in Moser. Dont know how much of that to believe. But we should know in two weeks or less how much Moser "covets" the MU gig. Meanwhile, the sentiment should be Screw I4.

IU had an awful lot of eggs in the Brad basket.  Then Scott Drew.   Now getting a.little nervous.

[Uncle Rico]

IU had an awful lot of eggs in the Brad basket.  Then Scott Drew.   Now getting a.little nervous.

The farther Scott Drew goes in the tournament, the less likely I think he leaves Baylor. 

[The Sultan]

I don't think he leaves Baylor regardless.  He's been there nearly 20 years.  I don't believe he grew up an IU fan.  I just don't see why he would make that move unless he is just ready for a new challenge.

[Scoop Snoop]

Some people here might remember some of the kids Moser and Majerus recruited to SLU, because several were from Chicago, Milwaukee, Twin Cities, KC, etc...

They were all very good basketball players, that often had team success as well. Mike McCall Jr. was 2nd Team All State, helped lead Foreman to their first Public League Title. Dwayne Evans was 3rd Team All State at Nequa Valley. Both played on highly ranked, good, teams all year. Jordair Jett was also all State in Minnesota out of St. Paul, helping lead his team to their first state title game appearance, before helping Notre Dame Prep to the 4 seed in the Prep Tourney. Kwamain Mitchell played at Whitefish Bay Dominican in Milwaukee and had some success there. Willie Reed (KC) played with Femi John (before his career ending injuries) and knew their family. Will John, Femi's cousin, was a star soccer player at SLU.

When Moser was there he would often go out and recruit some of these players. When he liked a player, he'd later bring Majerus. Many were overlooked because they were either overshadowed by someone else, or they didn't have the height, were a tweener, or this or that or didn't run with the popular AAU team. Various things. In many cases more Power 5 schools would come in later or late that weren't there earlier, and/or the ones that did weren't a fit.

SLU went 14, 19, 35 KenPom with that group of.recruits. Recruiting dropped off a lot after Moser left.

This is an article example of Majerus and his recruitment of Brian Conklin. (After this article they finished 14 KenPom that year and lost to 1 seed, and 3 KenPom Michigan St. by 4 points in NCAA Rd 32)  Conklin was a two time first team all state and won a state title in Oregon.

https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/2012/03/canzano_rick_majeras_saw_somet.html

That's how they did it at SLU.

The expectation is recruiting elevates as conference and resources elevate.
The expectation is that one puts a staff together that can recruit good enough players to win at high levels etc...If you are looking for someone that has already lit up the recruiting services rankings, you'd have to look elsewhere.

Thanks for your analysis of Moser's recruiting skills. This seems to be two major objections against Moser- that he failed in past years (I guess learning from your mistakes does not count for anything) and his perceived/expected inability to recruit at a high level. One of the announcers mentioned during the Syracuse/WVU game that Boeheim once said that he recruited players who fit into his system and then "coached them up" to play the offense he wanted. With Moser's "defense first" approach he probably follows Boeheim's strategy. There are a number of successful coaches that recruit for their systems, whatever they may be, rather than blindly going after the highest rated recruits a la systemless Wojo.  I think the recruiting concerns are overblown. If he's our next coach, he almost certainly will carefully hire assistants who with major recruiting experience to help him out.

[Tums Festival]

Everyone of you guys out there is looking at Porter Moser through Blue and Gold glasses. I appreciate the enthusiasm but lets try looking at this situation from Moser's current situation.

1) Moser already has accomplished more than any Marquette coach since Tom Crean and could do it again this year. He's in a conference where he has proven he both can recruit to win and to be a regular winner in the NCAA.

2) As a Loyola MBA, I'm sorry to say this, but Porter Moser will NOT win the NCAA Championship at Loyola. Not this year. Not ever. At some point, talent takes over and the Final Four usually is that point.

3) The only reason Porter Moser leaves is if he has a platform that would enable him to up his game with better recruits, better resources, and a capability to be National Champions. That's why he did not go to St. John's a few years ago and why DePaul won't win his services. I could see Indiana, maybe Minnesota as options if that's what he wanted.

Given Items 2 and 3, from his perspective, I question whether Marquette, right now, is enough of a step-up to put him in a position to recruit the talent necessary to be national champions. The core talent here now and signed for next year may be better than anything he's coached in awhile but it's probably not good enough without a lot of work for Marquette under Moser to contend for a national title.

For this reason, I don't think Moser is coming to Marquette. That and he's a die0hard Chicago guy.

Congratulations on being able to read Porter Moser's mind.

[cheebs09]

I don't think he leaves Baylor regardless.  He's been there nearly 20 years.  I don't believe he grew up an IU fan.  I just don't see why he would make that move unless he is just ready for a new challenge.

I think this is a change in the last 20 years of college basketball. Before, you'd be crazy to pass up Indiana to stay at Baylor. However, now, you can win at Baylor and win big. You don't have to be at a blue blood to have a ton of success.

I know we get frustrated that we have to hire a mid-major head coach and not someone more proven, but if you are doing well at a high major school and have enough resources, there's not as much reason to leave.

One reason I wonder if Moser leaves Loyola. He doesn't need to be at MU for tourney success as he's shown. Although, I would think with MU's resources it would be easier.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Because winning in the tournament is a terrible measure for projecting successful high major coaches.

I don't think you mean this as it is written. You never would have hired Nate Oats? I think a measure of a mid-major coach needs to be if they can get their teams to consistently compete and occasionally beat high major teams, whether in the tournament or not.

[StillAWarrior]

One reason I wonder if Moser leaves Loyola. He doesn't need to be at MU for tourney success as he's shown. Although, I would think with MU's resources it would be easier.

There's something to be said for getting a huge raise. Admittedly, he likely will have multiple suitors offering that.

[dgies9156]

Congratulations on being able to read Porter Moser's mind.

Ring Out Ahoya, Man. It's a skill taught in Phil 50 back in the day!

[Scoop Snoop]

I posted a Chicago Tribune article about Moser last week (I think) and there are a number of similar articles available. The gist of the articles is that Moser marches to the beat of a different drummer. I suggest a little more reading about Moser the man rather than focusing solely on Moser the coach to get a better picture of our chances of landing him.

He does not seem to be motivated solely by money. I will quickly add that I am not saying it has no importance to him, but I believe that it is a mistake assuming he will simply go to the highest bidder. My guess is, if he finally says goodbye to Loyola, he goes to either DePaul or Marquette. Milwaukee may be close enough to his beloved Chicago for him. I hope so.

[Galway Eagle]

I posted a Chicago Tribune article about Moser last week (I think) and there are a number of similar articles available. The gist of the articles is that Moser marches to the beat of a different drummer. I suggest a little more reading about Moser the man rather than focusing solely on Moser the coach to get a better picture of our chances of landing him.

He does not seem to be motivated solely by money. I will quickly add that I am not saying it has no importance to him, but I believe that it is a mistake assuming he will simply go to the highest bidder. My guess is, if he finally says goodbye to Loyola, he goes to either DePaul or Marquette. Milwaukee may be close enough to his beloved Chicago for him. I hope so.

Somebody suggested he be pitched on "look just get a condo in Milwaukee for the late nights but other days you can easily commute back to the north suburbs without uprooting your family."

I'd say that pitch is our best bet. Then you take the life change element away and focus on upgrading talent, budget, salary, competition, etc.

[Warrior of Law]

Somebody suggested he be pitched on "look just get a condo in Milwaukee for the late nights but other days you can easily commute back to the north suburbs without uprooting your family."

I'd say that pitch is our best bet. Then you take the life change element away and focus on upgrading talent, budget, salary, competition, etc.

Truth.  His wife can stay at their house in Wilmette, and he gets a condo downtown.  A student manager can drive him to-from whenever necessary.

[JakeBarnes]

I posted a Chicago Tribune article about Moser last week (I think) and there are a number of similar articles available. The gist of the articles is that Moser marches to the beat of a different drummer. I suggest a little more reading about Moser the man rather than focusing solely on Moser the coach to get a better picture of our chances of landing him.

He does not seem to be motivated solely by money. I will quickly add that I am not saying it has no importance to him, but I believe that it is a mistake assuming he will simply go to the highest bidder. My guess is, if he finally says goodbye to Loyola, he goes to either DePaul or Marquette. Milwaukee may be close enough to his beloved Chicago for him. I hope so.

This jives with the stuff I've heard from a friend and former tOSU manager that he's kind of his own thing. He put it more that "he's kinda weird" but beat of a different drummer works too.

[shoothoops]

Several ex players have voiced their support for Moser, as have some of his fellow coaches at coaching stops. Here is ESPN's National Recruiting Director, that worked with Moser under Majerus:

https://twitter.com/PaulBiancardi/status/1373970766308507648?s=19