Shaka to Marquette?

[Big Papi]

Good finds.

Definitely expected this sort of thing to come out. Makes him a lot more attractive if there isn't a buyout to worry about.

I don't get the Shaka love around here.  He has like the exact same resume at Texas like Wojo had here.  We could of just kept Wojo if we wanted to make the NCAAs every so often and then fail badly.

[Galway Eagle]

I don't get the Shaka love around here.  He has like the exact same resume at Texas like Wojo had here.  We could of just kept Wojo if we wanted to make the NCAAs every so often and then fail badly.

People still have tinted glasses about a Wisconsin boy coming home to make another 2011 run. Despite him not doing jack before or after that run

[BM1090]

People still have tinted glasses about a Wisconsin boy coming home to make another 2011 run. Despite him not doing jack before or after that run

He made 5 consecutive NCAA tournaments after the F4 run. That's far more than "jack". He also had top 40 defenses all 6 seasons at Texas. Top 26 in four of those years.

[DienerTime34]

I don't get the Shaka love around here.  He has like the exact same resume at Texas like Wojo had here.  We could of just kept Wojo if we wanted to make the NCAAs every so often and then fail badly.

Crean is more likely than Shaka. He wants to be here and will cost less.

[Galway Eagle]

He made 5 consecutive NCAA tournaments after the F4 run. That's far more than "jack". He also had top 40 defenses all 6 seasons at Texas. Top 26 in four of those years.

1 win for all those appearances. Who else that we all proclaim we don't want again had a final four and no other March success despite being top 25 a bunch? Crean.

[BM1090]

1 win for all those appearances. Who else that we all proclaim we don't want again had a final four and no other March success despite being top 25 a bunch? Crean.

Sure. It's possible that he's topped out. At age 43, I doubt that's the case.

I fail to see how Moser is more desirable. He followed up his final four with two missed tournaments. He has made 2 NCAA tournaments in 17 years as a head coach.

I'd much prefer Shaka to Moser. Nine years younger, better recruiter/marketer, more entertaining style. The reality is we likely end up with someone less accomplished than both of them.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Sure. It's possible that he's topped out. At age 43, I doubt that's the case.

I fail to see how Moser is more desirable. He followed up his final four with two missed tournaments. He has made 2 NCAA tournaments in 17 years as a head coach.

I'd much prefer Shaka to Moser. Nine years younger, better recruiter/marketer, more entertaining style. The reality is we likely end up with someone less accomplished than both of them.

There's a minor difference in talent level available to access when you coach at Texas vs. Loyola.

How did Shaka follow up his 2018 round 1 loss? Two missed tournaments. People are way too hung up on his pre-Majerus history vs. his post-Majerus history. If you can't see that the guy has "it" then my only conclusion is you have not watched his teams play.

[muwarrior69]

Sure. It's possible that he's topped out. At age 43, I doubt that's the case.

I fail to see how Moser is more desirable. He followed up his final four with two missed tournaments. He has made 2 NCAA tournaments in 17 years as a head coach.

I'd much prefer Shaka to Moser. Nine years younger, better recruiter/marketer, more entertaining style. The reality is we likely end up with someone less accomplished than both of them.

The Smart move is Moser not Shaka.

[Galway Eagle]

Sure. It's possible that he's topped out. At age 43, I doubt that's the case.

I fail to see how Moser is more desirable. He followed up his final four with two missed tournaments. He has made 2 NCAA tournaments in 17 years as a head coach.

I'd much prefer Shaka to Moser. Nine years younger, better recruiter/marketer, more entertaining style. The reality is we likely end up with someone less accomplished than both of them.

Couple of minor details about those missing the tournament years. It's not like they were trash.

1. The year after the final four he won the conference. Rough non conference screwed them over.

2. The second year they were likely out but they came in second. Again not like they fell apart.

[BM1090]

Couple of minor details about those missing the tournament years. It's not like they were trash.

1. The year after the final four he won the conference. Rough non conference screwed them over.

2. The second year they were likely out but they came in second. Again not like they fell apart.

I don't disagree, but could make similar comments about Shaka's lesser years at Texas.

[BM1090]

There's a minor difference in talent level available to access when you coach at Texas vs. Loyola.

How did Shaka follow up his 2018 round 1 loss? Two missed tournaments. People are way too hung up on his pre-Majerus history vs. his post-Majerus history. If you can't see that the guy has "it" then my only conclusion is you have not watched his teams play.

I was referring to the years directly following the final four for each coach. Shaka, at VCU, followed it up with four more Tournament berths. Moser missed it twice. VCU is a higher level but Shaka had more consistent success at the mid-major level.

Genuine question. Did he follow it up with two missed tournaments? He missed in 2019. They were 19-12 (9-9) entering the B12 Tournament in 2020. A team with that resume typically makes the tourney. Were they viewed as a team outside the bubble?

EDIT: Bracket matrix archives past years. It does indeed look like they were right on the cusp. Could have gone either way. Shaka also dealt with a ton of injuries at Texas, and one of his best players was diagnosed with cancer. There are legitimate reasons for any underperformance, just like there are for Moser. I just can't understand why Moser is viewed as a great candidate and Shaka a lesser one. I'd prefer Shaka.

[connie]

I don't get the Shaka love around here.  He has like the exact same resume at Texas like Wojo had here.  We could of just kept Wojo if we wanted to make the NCAAs every so often and then fail badly.

I think a fair bit of it is getting back with the chick who dumped you that you can't get over.  The love I don't get is the Wardle in

[Silkk the Shaka]

Shaka's deer-in-the-headlights display against a rinky-dink version of a one-note gimmick defense that HE HIMSELF rode to a fluke final four at one point looks even more shameful in light of how easily UCLA has dispatched with it today.

[MU82]

Shaka's deer-in-the-headlights display against a rinky-dink version of a one-note gimmick defense that HE HIMSELF rode to a fluke final four at one point looks even more shameful in light of how easily UCLA has dispatched with it today.

Yeah, you can see today why the best coach in basketball history would have so much trouble solving that D2 team filled with guys Muggsy's size.

[GooooMarquette]

Shaka's deer-in-the-headlights display against a rinky-dink version of a one-note gimmick defense that HE HIMSELF rode to a fluke final four at one point looks even more shameful in light of how easily UCLA has dispatched with it today.

Yeah. I get that AC was sky high over the opportunity to play the in-state Longhorns, but we saw today why they got a 14 seed. It's pretty astonishing that Shaka couldn't devise a way to beat that defense.

[Billy Hoyle]

Warming? I'm surprised Shaka's seat wasn't set on fire - with him in it - at 12:30 a.m. ET Sunday.

Texas fans needed extra time to remember they have basketball.

[MU82]

We're having a little fun with Shaka today, but I know that shyte happens. Games sometimes have inexplicable results. Matchups matter. Luck matters. Good teams have bad games and mediocre teams have great games. All that stuff.

Still, I'm trying to imagine how Scoop would have handled a first-round Marquette loss to a team like Abilene Christian. I'm wondering if our analytics fans would have come up with all kinds of reasons we lost to a 14-seed of short players -- and how the Shaka fans here who aren't bothered in the least about him losing to that team would be absolutely killing Wojo for anything similar.

I mean, we lost to a team with the kid who would be the following season's NBA Rookie of the Year and Wojo got killed (and deservedly so). And any attempt to justify it -- which chicos tried to do over and over again -- would have been laughed at (and deservedly so).

I guess Shaka gets a pass because of his NCAA tournament success ... as long as one is willing to dig back to 2013?

[NickelDimer]

I've always been a big Shaka fan but that loss feels bigger than a single fluke game

[Uncle Rico]

Lute Olson lost a lot of bad tournament games.  He won a national championship with a 5th place Pac-10 team.  Nobody wants to hear it, but weird stuff happens in single elimination tournaments.  Weird teams go on nonsensical runs.  Need to take all of the Shaka body of work in consideration.  My concern wouldn't be one game, but sort of middling results at Texas. 

[The Sultan]

Texas fans needed extra time to remember they have basketball.

They leave the bonfires to the Aggies.

[MU82]

Lute Olson lost a lot of bad tournament games.  He won a national championship with a 5th place Pac-10 team.  Nobody wants to hear it, but weird stuff happens in single elimination tournaments.  Weird teams go on nonsensical runs.  Need to take all of the Shaka body of work in consideration.  My concern wouldn't be one game, but sort of middling results at Texas.

I think it's all part of the package. If it were just one or two bad tournament losses, you're absolutely right. But for 5 years at Texas, he was meh. Finally had the kind of season folks were expecting 3-4 years ago ... and then they're humiliated by a scrappy but short and untalented team.

[Uncle Rico]

I think it's all part of the package. If it were just one or two bad tournament losses, you're absolutely right. But for 5 years at Texas, he was meh. Finally had the kind of season folks were expecting 3-4 years ago ... and then they're humiliated by a scrappy but short and untalented team.

All I know is, I'd never want Marquette to play UWM or UWGB in a tournament game.  But I get the concerns.  I think he'd give the program a shot in the arm and be able to be himself at Marquette.  Not sure that's the case at Texas

[PhillyWarrior]

This right here is why you have

That was Dodds

[MU82]

All I know is, I'd never want Marquette to play UWM or UWGB in a tournament game.  But I get the concerns.  I think he'd give the program a shot in the arm and be able to be himself at Marquette.  Not sure that's the case at Texas

If we hire Shaka, I 100% would support him and keep an open mind. His ability to recruit and the change-of-scenery thing is the best arguments for him.

[GooooMarquette]

If we hire Shaka, I 100% would support him and keep an open mind. His ability to recruit and the change-of-scenery thing is the best arguments for him.

The change of scenery argument is the main reason I don't totally fear the thought of Shaka. If he could somehow recreate what he built at VCU, it would be awesome...but if he just brought to Marquette what he brought to Texas, we will be here again in a few years.

Or more succinctly:

VCU Shaka 👍
Texas Shaka 👎