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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2021, 06:54:19 PM »
The ability to win while recruiting good kids and following the rules.

I want to win, but I don't want to read about the team on arrest reports or in NCAA investigations.

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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2021, 07:06:17 PM »
I care about the local recruiting simply because IMO those are easier wins. And Wojo screwed up some of the local relationships.

Buzz did great in this regard. Had some great local talent. But they also maintained a nationwide footprint.

This feels so much less important for a private school than a big state school like Bucky.

Unless someone grew up in Milwaukee proper or had a parent that went to Marquette, not a lot of kids have pre built relationships with MU.

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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2021, 10:02:09 PM »
Like others have said. Some semblance of an identity would be nice. Wojo just couldn't do that. Just constantly chasing and accommodating the needs of "stars". 

Watching this Winthrop, Nova game, they just highlighted the Winthrop player putting on 20+ lbs of muscle. Nova's guys are all jacked. I don't know what instruction Wojo gave Todd Smith, but the physical development of players over the past 7 years has been non-existent. I'm sure they made some gains, but it seems like Wojo had Todd de-emphasize muscle building as it might have been a detriment to their shooting or something. That or he just would rather them spend an hour on the gun vs in the weight room. Kids with muscles like to throw them around. The teams of the last seven years struggled with physicality (minus Theo who had some natural stuff going on). So I'd like a coach who understands the physicality of the game and that it takes more than grit and hustle to get the job done.

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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2021, 10:21:50 PM »
I've been harping on that S&C point for awhile. I know they want to build athleticism, but it shouldn't be one or the other.

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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2021, 10:23:09 PM »
Instead of candidates, what attributes do you want a coach to have?

Here is my list:

**Understanding of current analytics related to how the game is played.  Emphasis on shooting, lack of turnovers, etc.
**Play with pace.
**Recruit nationwide but need to win back the local recruiting scene.

I would love Nate Oats.  Absolutely love the way his teams play.  But that's not realistic.  Give me someone LIKE Oats.  I don't know who that is though.
Safe to assume Moser isn’t very high on your list?

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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2021, 10:46:54 PM »
I've been harping on that S&C point for awhile. I know they want to build athleticism, but it shouldn't be one or the other.
Yeah, I'd like to hear how Todd's side of it works. He seems like he knows his stuff and stays current from following him on twitter. Was he just taking guidance from Wojo on how he wants his players built or is he following some principles he believes makes better college basketball players. Seems like a clear difference between the strength/muscle progression in Buzz guys vs Wojo guys.

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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2021, 10:48:19 PM »

Watching this Winthrop, Nova game, they just highlighted the Winthrop player putting on 20+ lbs of muscle. Nova's guys are all jacked. I don't know what instruction Wojo gave Todd Smith, but the physical development of players over the past 7 years has been non-existent. I'm sure they made some gains, but it seems like Wojo had Todd de-emphasize muscle building as it might have been a detriment to their shooting or something. That or he just would rather them spend an hour on the gun vs in the weight room. Kids with muscles like to throw them around. The teams of the last seven years struggled with physicality (minus Theo who had some natural stuff going on). So I'd like a coach who understands the physicality of the game and that it takes more than grit and hustle to get the job done.

Yeah agree completely. Cain and Greg are good examples. Lots of potential but their ceiling was capped, especially on the defensive end where you need some muscle to go with the mental intensity. Be the aggressor not the kid getting manhandled. Obviously you want strength and not necessarily “bulk” but I can’t remember how many times I looked at Greg or Jamal over the past couple years and asked myself if they could just eat a steak sandwich with a large glass of milk... every day.
No reason any athlete can’t make significant gains in the weight room in a 6 month period.

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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2021, 11:00:53 PM »
I would love Nate Oats.  Absolutely love the way his teams play.  But that's not realistic.  Give me someone LIKE Oats.  I don't know who that is though.

Kelsey from Winthrop would fit. Paul Mills from Oral Roberts.  He’s a Scott Drew disciple, so that makes sense.  Boyton from Ok St if we thought we could splash cash and steal him like U of I and Underwood.  The other team that plays that way is Eastern Kentucky, whose coach I actually really like

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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2021, 11:02:42 PM »
I liked what Scholl said about having a clear philosophy on both sides of the ball and recruiting players to fit that philosophy and “not just chasing every 5 star.” So, I will go with that one. It felt likes Wojo’s teams always lacked an identity.

Yes! Lack of identity was big with Wojo teams.  What are we? Defensive team? Fast paced? Inside game? What?

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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2021, 12:15:51 AM »
Kelsey from Winthrop would fit. Paul Mills from Oral Roberts.  He’s a Scott Drew disciple, so that makes sense.  Boyton from Ok St if we thought we could splash cash and steal him like U of I and Underwood.  The other team that plays that way is Eastern Kentucky, whose coach I actually really like

Kelsey and Mills show promise.

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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2021, 12:46:17 AM »
I want a guy with prior head coaching experience who’s proven he can build a winner at his own program.  If he’s a mid-major coach, I’d like for him to have at least two NCAA appearances and have been his conference’s COY at least once.  Ideally, he’ll have a diverse resume where he’s coached at the head or assistant level at a few different schools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Smith_(basketball,_born_1972)
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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2021, 07:34:58 AM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Smith_(basketball,_born_1972)

Recruiting network? I see six international players on his roster, most of the rest not in Big East areas? Not that that is good or bad, but you see that in many better teams out west.

Has found gems, though. Very good defense. Meh offense. Same turnover rate issues on offense and defense as Wojo's teams, although maybe more middling. MU connections.

On mid major coaches, I want to see a coach who can game plan and not just rely on his systems. Against high majors, can he make adjustments to consistently make runs in those games and occasionally win?  BE coaches are crafty.

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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2021, 07:47:01 AM »
If we go with one of the mentioned mid-major guys I expect we will hear very soon.    Of course I would imagine we will want to talk to Moser for sure and perhaps Oats and Musselman.

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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2021, 08:19:57 AM »
I really feel like Marquette had established a national brand of basketball (toughness, hustle, defense, etc.) and Wojo completely changed our brand. I want the next coach to understand the Warrior brand of basketball and bring it back. I want teams to know that while they might be more talented they’re going to earn everything they get against us.

That brand died nearly thirty years ago. Now we're the fluffy chicken brand.

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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2021, 08:29:14 AM »
Grant McCasland of North Texas State often tells his team that the "toughest team always wins" and the head coach embodies that motto.   That is what is needed toughness on both ends of the court.

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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2021, 08:51:44 AM »
If we go with one of the mentioned mid-major guys I expect we will hear very soon.    Of course I would imagine we will want to talk to Moser for sure and perhaps Oats and Musselman.

I can promise you Muggsy, we are not talking to Oats and Musselman. The only successful high major coaches we could possible poach are Boynton and Pikiell. The rest all make way more than Marquette can outspend. The only possible exception would be if someone was miserable at their current job and was willing to take a paycut to move or needed to reset their coaching clock. I haven't heard anything that leads me to believe that has happened.
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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2021, 08:57:22 AM »
1. Have to be a high level recruiter and talent evaluator. Doesn't matter how good you are with Xs and Os and analytics, if you can't land the players, you aren't going to compete at a high level. Or, as Kevin O'Neill said long ago, "Give me Dean Smith's roster and give him Bemidji State, and I kick his ass 100 times out of 100."

2. Build a program identity, but don't be hostage to the past. Because Marquette basketball was known for "X" under a previous coach, doesn't mean it needs to be known for "X" under the next coach. But there needs to be a year-to-year consistency in approach and roster-building to fit that philosophy.

3. Established ability to develop talent. Landing high-level recruits is crucial, but no kid is going to come to Marquette a complete player. Kids need to get better during their time at Marquette under our next coaching staff.

4. At least makes an effort to keep the program out of the headlines for the wrong reasons. Kids are going to screw up, so no one is going to be perfect in this regard, but at least set a standard of what's expected off the court and in the classroom, deal with bad behavior and avoid bringing to campus kids with known issues. And while big-time athletics can require pushing right up against the line of what's allowed in the rulebook and what's not, don't willfully leap over that line.

5. No retreads. If a guy failed at his last P6 job, I'm not interested. So, no to guys like Archie Miller, Lavin, Tim Miles, etc.

Things I don't care about: Personality, press conference quips, wardrobe, what's said when the cameras are in the huddle, where recruits come from, race, gender, age.

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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2021, 08:57:38 AM »
If we go with one of the mentioned mid-major guys I expect we will hear very soon.    Of course I would imagine we will want to talk to Moser for sure and perhaps Oats and Musselman.

Thinking the "splash" names are (those that truly are big moves)

Shaka
Oats (buyout makes this almost non starter, but Goodman keeps mentioning him, so I'll put it here)
Musselman
Archie (IU tenure not great but could thrive here)

Possibly all pipedreams, but might as well kick the tires and dream.

As a fun aside, Marquette has been positioned as the "most desirable" of the openings, which has to tick off IU fans.
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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2021, 09:01:32 AM »
I can promise you Muggsy, we are not talking to Oats and Musselman. The only successful high major coaches we could possible poach are Boynton and Pikiell. The rest all make way more than Marquette can outspend. The only possible exception would be if someone was miserable at their current job and was willing to take a paycut to move or needed to reset their coaching clock. I haven't heard anything that leads me to believe that has happened.

What about Shaka?

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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2021, 09:03:46 AM »
General Eisenhower said that in a general the most important attribute is good luck.

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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #45 on: March 20, 2021, 09:23:58 AM »
Pace of play and an offensive style that is attractive to top recruits.  That is all that matters.

With the way the game has evolved, a slow/deliberate style of offense is not going to be a big draw for kids with serious next level potential.

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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2021, 09:27:40 AM »
Someone who has taken five different programs to the NCAA.

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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #47 on: March 20, 2021, 09:34:08 AM »
1. Have to be a high level recruiter and talent evaluator. Doesn't matter how good you are with Xs and Os and analytics, if you can't land the players, you aren't going to compete at a high level. Or, as Kevin O'Neill said long ago, "Give me Dean Smith's roster and give him Bemidji State, and I kick his ass 100 times out of 100."

2. Build a program identity, but don't be hostage to the past. Because Marquette basketball was known for "X" under a previous coach, doesn't mean it needs to be known for "X" under the next coach. But there needs to be a year-to-year consistency in approach and roster-building to fit that philosophy.

3. Established ability to develop talent. Landing high-level recruits is crucial, but no kid is going to come to Marquette a complete player. Kids need to get better during their time at Marquette under our next coaching staff.

4. At least makes an effort to keep the program out of the headlines for the wrong reasons. Kids are going to screw up, so no one is going to be perfect in this regard, but at least set a standard of what's expected off the court and in the classroom, deal with bad behavior and avoid bringing to campus kids with known issues. And while big-time athletics can require pushing right up against the line of what's allowed in the rulebook and what's not, don't willfully leap over that line.

5. No retreads. If a guy failed at his last P6 job, I'm not interested. So, no to guys like Archie Miller, Lavin, Tim Miles, etc.

Things I don't care about: Personality, press conference quips, wardrobe, what's said when the cameras are in the huddle, where recruits come from, race, gender, age.

I'm right with you on #4 and the last paragraph. Don't want MU on probation that means no postseason, that ruins a season. Substance over symbolism.
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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #48 on: March 20, 2021, 09:43:05 AM »
Someone who has taken five different programs to the NCAA.

And landed three different programs on probation.
Does the fact the NCAA still has a pending case against Pitino that could significantly impact his ability to coach and recruit at Marquette concern you at all?
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Re: What attributes do you want in a new coach?
« Reply #49 on: March 20, 2021, 10:06:26 AM »
Instead of candidates, what attributes do you want a coach to have?

Here is my list:

**Understanding of current analytics related to how the game is played.  Emphasis on shooting, lack of turnovers, etc.
**Play with pace.
**Recruit nationwide but need to win back the local recruiting scene.

I would love Nate Oats.  Absolutely love the way his teams play.  But that's not realistic.  Give me someone LIKE Oats.  I don't know who that is though.

On bullets 2 and 3, I happened to listen to Wojo's full introductory press conference this morning.  I found his comments on defense, aggressiveness/pace, and analytics interesting in hindsight.

Audio: https://www.dougrussellpod.com/ (March 19 episode, go to 53:20; worth a listen for Andrei Greska's contribution as well)
Transcript: http://www.asapsports.com/show_conference.php?id=97801

QUESTION (PAINT TOUCHES, MARK STROTMAN):
Coach, in terms of Xs and Os, how closely do you want to model what Coach "K", yourself, and the assistants at Duke had done?  Also the second part, how much do advanced statistics play a role in your game planning and how you go about coaching these guys?

COACH WOJCIECHOWSKI:
Well, number one, I hope we model ourselves enough where we're hanging banners and winning conference championships and all the things that we were able to do at Duke.  Obviously, Coach has a huge impact on what I believe in basketball, and it starts with defense first.  Not only that is who I was as a player.  I believe defense is what wins championships and really good defense should lead to offense and exciting and fast play.

We have to figure out how our group is in a position to win every game against who we're competing against.  So ultimately that's my job.

In a perfect world, I want to play aggressive defense, I want to create offense from our defense, and I want to play a fun and fast, attacking style of offense.  I think that's how kids want to play.  That's how I wanted to play.  That's how I did play, and that's how I would like our team and our group here at Marquette to play.

Analytics, I think, are important.  When you think about what's important into building a winner, I think analytics is a very important piece to the puzzle.  I don't think it's the end-all, be-all.  I think it's another resource that you should use, and if it can give you that extra edge to win, then great.  But I'm not going to base my decisions solely on analytics, but it will be a piece of the puzzle.  Thank you very much.